EPTAlso Sumiyoshi pwns Gambino as a name.
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Also Sumiyoshi pwns Gambino as a name. | ||
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Firstly the activity in this game is amazing, expected to wake up with a good few pages to read, did not expect 20+... Not entirely sure on who to vote for atm, going to have to go over the thread without skim reading, but I'm glad Bloody emphasised just how bad 10f's plan was (If elected he said he would lynch someone who was Mafia from a previous game) and can't believe more people didnt bring this up, but as I said have only skimmed so far. | ||
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Have spent the last hour and a half going through the thread and firstly Ace turning green suprised me, simply reading the whole thread in one big chunk and i felt he was contributing little and not defending himself against accusations well (and he is meant to be a veteran player). Bill Murray, there seems to be some kind of idea especially at an earlier stage in the thread that he is clearly "innocent". From reading his posts I get quite the opposite feeling, he has been influential and accusatory, even changing votes last minute although was one of the few people who also changed last minute to give an explanation namely: "I didn't want Red to be pardoner". I would be inclined to consider him Mafia far more than a townie, but this is mostly on impression from going through the thread in one big chunk. Anyway now I'm going to dedicate some time to something I did none of in the last mafia game and try to analyse some clues! | ||
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Remeniscient of the "3 little piggies" or "3 bears" and seems like an underlying structure of the whole post. | ||
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and lucas when I said I'd be active i think you might have misinterpreted what the word active means. It means i will look over the thread on a regular basis, try to contribute if i can and generally keep up to date with everything that is going on. It does not mean i will be able to put my life on hold lock myself in my room and spam my keyboard on the hour every hour.. | ||
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I guess better things to provide a defence of would be both 1) my inactivity compare to most others and 2) as someone pointed out providing nothing helpful to the town in the few posts I have made well as to 1) i have already given my "defence" whether its true or not is irrelevant, its my story and i'm sticking to it. 2) Currently this game seems like one big cluster fuck to me, (not the players or the way its run or anything just in its sheer size and more complex strategy) I want to try to participate but currently i feel slightly out of depth by this game. I'll make a renewed effort to not post anything unless i can clearly see that it is both valuable and not repetition i guess. | ||
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On February 19 2010 14:42 meeple wrote: Clue analysis: johnnyspazz [Clue] johnnyspazz has a sonic the hedgehog thing in his profile. Sonic's adventures are full of twists and turns and Sonic is fairly speedy, so he shouldn't lose too much time getting there. Also, hedgehogs are pretty spiky things, so that would explain the array of sharp objects and the incredible speed with which the murder happens, even though the guy was prepared. Lastly, Sonic is known to curl up into a ball and travel at great speeds, which could explain the hole in the wall. Peoples thoughts on this? Am I the only one that thought this was some extremely good clue analysis? | ||
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Dozko is mafia, clearly, lynch him now :O This is sarcasm, I am suprised you suspect me of being Mafia though quite honestly. also I specifically stated before this game had even started that I would be taking a different approach than the game before as I felt I played badly in the first game and have had reasons for a period of inactivity. I'm also suprised you consider your suspicions of me are far stronger than those of other people that I would consider far more worthy of a vote lynch than me But guess thats your descision. | ||
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If im Gambino as you say then I would hardly go around telling people I think he is mafia and giving reasons Hopefully Bill can confirm this. | ||
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What are the rules on posting PM's i know you can't screenshot but can i copy paste? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Mystlord on the strength of the clues and also i feel slightly uneasy about ver. Also Shockeyy simply because (i felt) he was so sinfully bad in the last game that even if he is a townie he is likely to be a hindrance. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: who do you think are 3 good candidates? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I'm abstaining now, your PM's were persuasive and I think there are far better candidates for lynching lurking out there in Liquidia.... ----------------------------------------- Original Message: i dont know if you followed my game, but i thought the mafia mayor was green so... yeah, my instincts are off. I agree with you about L and Lucas_WoJ, Lucas especially has done way too much work to benefit the town to be red, and even if he is red, i would want to keep him around so he can keep compiling those lists he makes. L is a bit of a conundrum for me. He is a pardoner, but he admitted to me in a PM that he doesn't even want to use his ability. "I'm not pardoning anyone. Pardoning is a gigantic waste of a day. " he says that if he pardons someone (i asked him if he was going to pardon me if i got lynched), the town will just vote to lynch them again. I don't agree with him, as the mafia's kills will swing the number of players and potentially change the voting, but at least he's honest. That makes me sort of trust him, the fact that he admits he would throw someone under the bus to win. I'd rather someone tell me that to my face than to have to pull the dagger out of my back u know? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I know what you mean actually, from the last game when I was also town, when accused i simply felt like saying "I am green" and I think that in itself might be a tell towards someone being green as mafia's initial reaction would probably be a large defensive post about their actions e.t.c. I don't want to read too much into that though but i certainly understand your point as i felt the exact same instinct to respond like that in the last game and in this one. In the last game i was in a similar situation to how u feel, i thought it was blatantly obvious to anyone that I was green ^^. I think the people who have accused me (Lucas and L, although i think theres more, they stand out) are most likely green. In my mind i would think it is the town that are going to be most actively accusing and trying to provoke people to responding far more so than either of the two mafia families. then again last game i was sinfully wrong in my ideas of who was green and who was red so i've lost abit of faith in my instinct ----------------------------------------- Original Message: i think voting ends tomorrow at midnight your time 7pm EST pretty sure... so that's 12 for you hmm, you kinda made the same argument though... which made me think you're green when i thought you were red before. you said "im gonna save u all some time.. im not mafia" that's how i felt i was posting, maybe i'll just shut up so they don't kill me thinking i'm red... it's just hard for me to believe because i thought i was acting as green as possible without even meaning to do it because i am... like i have trouble lying. if i was blue i would say i was "town aligned" if i was red i wouldn't say anything at all where i'm green i don't mind saying i'm green, because i am does that make sense? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: My main suspicion is in the way you seemed to, quite quickly, seem to fit into this "everyone knows im 100% green lol" position and it seemed very strange, none of what you have said or done has warranted being put in that position, a mafia could easily have typed and acted in the exact same way so immediately i was like "Hmmmm *narrows eyes*" . That really is the main issue, also some of your posts have struck me as being more subtle and manipulative than they might appear at first glance but that could just simply be interpretation. I am by no means sure or even vaguely sure that you are Mafia, if your gonna respond which hopefully u will PM's are fun ^^ could u also put what times the voting ends? wanna make sure i don't miss an opporunity to change if i want to. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: oh, ok. what in your opinion have my "mafia like tendencies" been? i haven't really been trying to not act like mafia... haven't really been worried about it... but apparently a lot of people think i'm worthy of lynching, and i'm wondering why. i thought for sure everyone knew i was green moreso than almost anyone else but themselves (if they're actually green). like right now, i don't really trust anyone but myself. i know i'm green, and that's why i figured that the mafia won't be able to stick anything on me, but apparently i'm wrong considering the amount of people that want me dead lol ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Not to do with thinking your ruining the thread, It is subject to change but out of everyone so far you seem to exhibit some mafia like tendancies.I just chose as I didn't want to put "abstain" I will likely change as time goes on. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: hey, i see you voted for me as the lynch victim, is it because you think i'm red or because you think im ruining the thread? Bear in mind this was a couple of days ago so my opinion is different most namely Ver who I think has made it clear he is town | ||
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I kinda decided to trust him and PM'd him my role but im having misgivings | ||
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On February 21 2010 08:23 LucasWoJ wrote: Intentional slip ups like this don't make us think you're blue. It makes us think that you intentionally want us to think you're blue. Versatile, you'll never have a sure mafia lynched up. At this point though, we have 4-5 who are very likely mafia: scamp, johnnyspazz, tree.hugger, zona, decafchicken, shocckey, amber[light], etc. I just don't see how "we have no candidates right now" (which is false) can justify not voting for double lynch, a move that has the potential to help soo much. I never said I was blue? what post are you reading? | ||
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It is possible he did it mistakenly however he is a self confessed veteran of this game and i is far more likely he is Mafia, I think we possibly ought to lynch Quickstriker first, he has been confirmed and the only thing against doing so would be the logic that the other mafia will surely lynch him, however L and Quickstriker to be lynched next plz | ||
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I want L gone as well tho. | ||
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On February 26 2010 03:55 XeliN wrote: can you provide a list of people//clues you have checked and the results? | ||
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"Okay, first off, I need to know your family's name (No, not your actual family name.. the mafia one..yeah that's what I thought.) and obtain a list of some of your teammates (that is the people in red that were listed in a pm sent you by incognito at the beginning of the game. Not necessarily who you are working with as a team) so it can help me access the situation at hand. Writing hit lists is a delicate task." That doesn't really answer the question and just makes you look more suspicious, to me at any rate. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + *dodge* ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I'm green, if you are the DT i can't see any drawback to you posting the results of your inquiry yet obviously if you are not then you wouldn't be able to. What have you checked and what are the results I'm not mafia and don't dodge my question in this way. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Okay, first off, I need to know your family's name (No, not your actual family name.. the mafia one..yeah that's what I thought.) and obtain a list of some of your teammates (that is the people in red that were listed in a pm sent you by incognito at the beginning of the game. Not necessarily who you are working with as a team) so it can help me access the situation at hand. Writing hit lists is a delicate task. I'm going to vote for L and Chezinu although Chezinu is more simply out of frustration for seeming to be unable to answer a simple question in a coherent way and is something i can't see as being helpful to the town, also it makes him seem suspicious in my eyes. | ||
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What do you have to lose by doing so? | ||
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Everything in that post, so far ammounts to, "ive done this and that honest trust me, lols!" | ||
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Thats how i see it anyway... | ||
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The whole Chezinu thing is still quite confusing//irritating to me and only arised after I asked a simple question that seemed to me to go mostly unanswered about from prattle about circles and vague assertions, but still I will hold back on voting on him as I am largely unsure and it would probably be done mainly out of irritation. Amber still seems questionable to me, but likewise that vote was simply impulsive response and thinking things through more I consider Tree.Hugger and Cyanmachae Would still enjoy seeing some more concrete evidence of chezinu's claims, the longer we go on without such the redder he seems to appear in my eyes. | ||
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Vivi why are you pushing for my death? are people seriously suspicious of me for being Mafia, if so can you find any clue links whatsoever, or is it simply because L ended up persuading me he was Townie after I initially pushed strongly for his lynching then changed my mind? pretty sure I wasn't the only person to fool for his cunning ways. | ||
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He said he has established a town circle. He also claims he has only inspected townies (he hasn't found any mafia yet). If you read the thread you can find out who he inspected (hint hint I'm one of those people). He's not lying about any of those pieces of information. I would also suggest PMing the people he "supposedly" inspected as well, and see what they have to say. (Also, all the people he has supposedly inspected have never voted for him to be lynched, nor said anything incriminating to him). ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Can you please explain why Chezinu is innocent, or why in your opinion he is. He even PM'd me this yesterday From: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Dear townie Date: 2/26/10 08:08 From the posts in the thread and the lost of day and night cycle, you sound like a townie or a mafia trying really hard to seem like a townie. Good job. You shorten the mafia hit list! It would be dumb to try and hit you. If the above is true and he thinks I am mafia then he could have answered my request and given me some details of his detecting in order to prove he is the DT, he also could give details even if he thought i was mafia as surely there are checks he has made that would no longer have an impact on the game? I really am not sure on him, either he is a DT, He is a townie who has roleclaimed DT for some form of complex strategy, He is Mafia. As of now the latter 2 are the only ones that make much sense to me and obviously the last is more likely than him pretending to be DT yet being innocent. Please provide some evidence//reasons why not to lynch Chez, i've asked him countless times now in the thread and PM yet he refuses to. | ||
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Also something noteworthy, I recieved the exact same PM from foolishness, word for word, about 3-4 hours later. This suggests to me he might have been forwarding it to someone else and mistakenly double sent it, not entirely sure what to make of that as he could potentially be in this "circle" that keeps getting brought up or be forwarding it to anyone but figured it was important stating. | ||
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It is painfully obvious that you are Sumiyoshi you would not be alive now if you were not and how you can still have influence over this game after this has been made clear to any rational person is cringe worthy. Vote johnnyspazz for the love of god | ||
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I'm not entirely sure in the double lynch mostly because it does not seem many people have a clear reasoned idea as to who should be voted for and in situations like that it just makes it easier for the mafia to manipulate the voting. although you are probably right in the time frame, the sumiyoshi are looking like they have won this unless something drastic happens and fast. | ||
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Although given how Chezinu seems to me likely to be mafia I have to assume he would be sumiyoshi if this were the case as otherwise there would simply be more votes to lynch him (votes from sumiyoshi members) This seems to me to show that Chezinu is either Sumiyoshi or the detective, and even if he were the detective I would expect sumiyoshi members to try to kill him. Unless he is a townie detective working with the sumiyoshi which in itself would be enough to lynch him. Am I wrong in any of this thinking, please give thoughts on the matter, townies only, no sumiyoshi posting allowed for at least the next 10 posts xD | ||
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I would ask you to explain why you suspect me as well but i think changing your mind on the matter is not a possibility, you are set in your belief I am mafia so I guess thats that. I would suggest you are mafia if it were not for the fact you also were adamant that I was mafia in the last game we played in and I in turn took that to mean you were mafia (as i knew i was not in that game) and it turned out you were townie as well so at least that is consistent. | ||
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On March 03 2010 05:52 ~OpZ~ wrote: We need three more votes for double lynch. If you don't for it, you are pretty much clearly mafia. The how the F is johnny still alive, his being gambino makes no sense. | ||
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Is johnny just simply claiming a medic has saved him or can anyone corroborate? otherwise as i stated before i think it is more likely he is inventing the medic save to justify his still being alive at this point in the game. | ||
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This forces them to either waste their kill on the medic or attempt to confuse the medic by also claming to be gambino however it is right that Foolishness, Madnessman and Dozko are the 3 remaining mafia then they can't really do that. Either way Medic reveal yourself so that you can protect the remaining gambino! If you already know the remaining then that would also be pretty swell in which case simply smile happily behind your PC screen. | ||
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This would work better in theory but only if a legitimate "go-between" can be found. | ||
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Just organise this whoever u are mr healer man and let us town bask in our own lucky brilliance | ||
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OFC it is possible one or both of foolishness and madnessman are in fact townie which would complicate things slightly. | ||
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ofc there is a very very small chance you could still be mafia so guess i will hold out in acting like the game is quite over. | ||
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On March 03 2010 09:39 dozko wrote: omfg i cant believe that the town's gonna win this. talking through the plan for a day and then on the last minute 50% go inactive, fucking swell. No madness dozko being Mafia is quite obvious, only other hypothetical is he wrote what he did just to fuck about and troll whilst actually being town which seems unlikely. Also without further information, it would be a mistake not to follow up by killing foolishness and madnessman simply on the voting, however there are complications such as Foolishness PMing to protect L(who turned out Gambino), but this seems the most prudent thing to do. | ||
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On March 03 2010 10:50 madnessman wrote: So you want to lynch me only based on my last voting? Yes. I accept its more than possible you could be a townie but unless something else pops up that highlights a better candidate then your voting is enough in my opinion to vote lynch//advise the mafia to night kill. If the mafia wishes to use this night kill to pick off foolishness//madnessman and then rely on the town to kill Dozko (which we most certainly will do) then that might work, although mayb its best to just rip off the bandaid now and for the Gambino to kill Dozko. | ||
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On March 03 2010 10:33 XeliN wrote: Why has no-one come forward as either the medic or a mouth for the medic to protect the remaining gambino? im impatient but unless this is already happening behind the scenes then it is of the utmost importance! This really needs to happen. | ||
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1) Medic protect gambino 2) Gambino lynches dozko 3) Mafia cannot kill Gambino with only 1 KP due to medic protection 4) Town wins, people celebrate, Portraits and statues are erected in Ver's honour, and everyone dances round naked engaging in copiuos yet satisfying sin. 5)We get to see what Chezinu's actual role was, thrilling for all I'm sure. | ||
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If the last gambino has chosen to tell the sumiyoshi who he is and keep it hidden from the medic then there is very little we can do. Wouldn't really be in keeping with the game however given the Mafia's "opponents" in this game are the opposing mafia family | ||
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Fire off your protective arrow elsewhere and hope it lands in the heart of Mr Gam Bino | ||
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For what reason I cannot gather but then again for the most part you are an enigma to me Chez totally missed the "original message" part of that PM, observing fail. guess it wasn't something that required a tiny bit of deduction afterall... | ||
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People such as vivi for example voting for me, or discussing killing foolish and madnessman post game is completely pointless, we have a CONFIRMED mafia, Dozko. If he dies before the remaining Gambino dies then we win the game, simple as that. Only matter of importance is trying to make sure the remaining Gambino is protected, as Chezinu posted in a PM, the Gambino left might possibly be handing the win over to the sumiyoshi family, it is possible although irritating for him to do so. Basically if the gambino survives the night then we win simple as that. | ||
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The mafia gain nothing by still hiding, the remaining 2 mafia could post here right now stating they are sumiyoshi and it would not effect in the slightest the strategy of the game Right now it is simply a rush to kill Dozko so we can win, can we do it! | ||
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Or was it -OpZ- that killed Dozko and in turn the mafia knew to kill -OpZ-? | ||
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