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On February 16 2010 06:26 Caller wrote:
I already stated very clearly that there is absolutely no incentive for mafia to kill DTs right now, or as long as the balance of power between the two mafias is maintained. None at all. Mafia have no method of identifying other mafia at this stage this early in the game. They want DTs to clear up suspects on their lists. Mafia don't have to kill a single townie this game in order to win, either.
And I doubt a godfather would expose themselves this early. Why would they care about townie circles? Again, I stated multiple times that all mafia has to do is kill the other mafia. Infiltrating townie circles is a lot less useful than it is in games with just one mafia.
We can't just blindly post lists of confirmed mafia, what if we discover 8 members of the same family? If we post that, it's pretty much an auto-loss. Suddenly, being able to derive information from a somewhat private discussion becomes much more powerful. Couple that with the fact that mafia wouldn't typically want to kill DTs as you and it's not that bad of an idea.
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On February 16 2010 06:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 06:28 L wrote:
Nikoner, not killing someone day 1 is generally a box of dumb. Even if it makes me look bad, its better to have 100% confirmable information for the town to work with regarding associations and whatnot.
My only fear is that ZERO people have pushed back against my claim against emp, and a number of people have tagged along well after i took pains to make it clear i wasn't dropping the accusation. Either one of the mafia teams is using him as a sacrifice to get, say, ver, to look good by supporting my position, or emp is green/blue and afk like a moron. Given his vote, it would seem that he isn't afk, which leads me to believe that killing him will at least give me some information. I'm actually more worried about how much information regarding clue interpretation for this game I can glean from a red or green flip than anything else.
Like i said; Grow some fucking balls. It does seem strange to me that there was a big backlash at a strong clue connection to Ace but everyone accepted Empyrean rather quietly. However, do consider the fact that there isn't really any herrings in the description of the radiant killer that point to anyone else. Empyrean simply fits. While Ace fits strongly, it was pointed out that 789 actually fits the clue profile very well also, so there is a bit more room for doubt.
How about the backlash against redtooth and then the fifteen votes he's gotten in a row?
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On February 16 2010 06:30 Bill Murray wrote:
i'd like to point something out. if you say "this person is mafia" it is nearly flipping a coin as to whether or not you're right. the problem with this game is that they're going to be working together for a common goal, while the town has noone that they can trust/confide in to craft a plan for that common goal.
by "spamming the thread" with my campaign for office, and responding to people, I was simply trying to provide that to the town. Someone who is going to try to give a way for greens and blues to come together to actually try and discuss a common goal and how to achieve it.
What does that mean? How does spamming the thread provide a way for everyone to work together in peace?
You aren't playing this game. All of your posts were empty accusations and finger pointing with no justification until I pestered it out of you. Saying "this person is mafia" is perfectly fine if you can support that with reason and argument.
"I know I am green" doesn't make anyone trust you.
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We can't just blindly post lists of confirmed mafia
Wouldn't they be possibly doing this through their voting habits which could lead to us not being able to prevent a stronger mafia from lynching someone if we've lost some medics/don't know who to protect.
what i mean is that their voting for mayor may end up clumping them together if they're dumb.
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On February 16 2010 06:19 Ace wrote:Well Caller, it's kind of hard for me to really do much so far since from Day 1 about 4 people have called for my head. I'd think spending my times vehemently proclaiming my innocence was a better use of my time. I'm not trolling at all, show me when I did?  Besides, MTF and Camlito haven't played in over a year. I highly doubt there's a town circle already unless people are doing the blind faith thing again. Also I don't agree that DTs should roleclaim early. If I were Mafia I'd kill them asap. Even if my win condition is to murder the other family why would I want them to have help? DTs are a double edged sword in that regard.
a) lies
b) truths, but still it'd be nice to have them along. Now that I think about isn't Fishball here? Or is he afk troll again?
c) I see malongo is playing, hmm
d) While this statement surely is true, if you're putting KP against DTs, that's KP that can't be used against potential mafia suspects. I'm not sure if Mafia would be willing to forego that KP when the other mafia can just as easily put all their hits and possibly do more damage to the first mafia. KP is too important in this game to be wasted on town players (even DTs) when the other side can take advantage of this fact and hit them.
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On February 16 2010 06:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 06:30 Bill Murray wrote:
i'd like to point something out. if you say "this person is mafia" it is nearly flipping a coin as to whether or not you're right. the problem with this game is that they're going to be working together for a common goal, while the town has noone that they can trust/confide in to craft a plan for that common goal.
by "spamming the thread" with my campaign for office, and responding to people, I was simply trying to provide that to the town. Someone who is going to try to give a way for greens and blues to come together to actually try and discuss a common goal and how to achieve it. What does that mean? How does spamming the thread provide a way for everyone to work together in peace? You aren't playing this game. All of your posts were empty accusations and finger pointing with no justification until I pestered it out of you. Saying "this person is mafia" is perfectly fine if you can support that with reason and argument. "I know I am green" doesn't make anyone trust you.
when i was "spamming the thread" the way you're talking, by idiotically pointing my finger, noone was complaining. I was referring to last night around 5am EST.
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On February 16 2010 06:31 Nikoner wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 06:26 Caller wrote:
I already stated very clearly that there is absolutely no incentive for mafia to kill DTs right now, or as long as the balance of power between the two mafias is maintained. None at all. Mafia have no method of identifying other mafia at this stage this early in the game. They want DTs to clear up suspects on their lists. Mafia don't have to kill a single townie this game in order to win, either.
And I doubt a godfather would expose themselves this early. Why would they care about townie circles? Again, I stated multiple times that all mafia has to do is kill the other mafia. Infiltrating townie circles is a lot less useful than it is in games with just one mafia. We can't just blindly post lists of confirmed mafia, what if we discover 8 members of the same family? If we post that, it's pretty much an auto-loss. Suddenly, being able to derive information from a somewhat private discussion becomes much more powerful. Couple that with the fact that mafia wouldn't typically want to kill DTs as you and it's not that bad of an idea.
First of all, why would we posts lists of confirmed mafia? This isn't Ver's "medics stay away" list, and we don't have listchecks either. More importantly, if we find out that they are all the same members of the same family, we can very easily turn all our efforts into hunting down the other family to restore the balance of power. It's very easy to adapt to a change in circumstance like this.
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On February 16 2010 06:28 L wrote:
Nikoner, not killing someone day 1 is generally a box of dumb. Even if it makes me look bad, its better to have 100% confirmable information for the town to work with regarding associations and whatnot.
Fair enough, but I'm wary of the possibility that lynching a mafia will lower one family's KP. If that situation persists for a decent amount of time, it could be bad for the town. I'd also like to point out that if Empyrean flips green, you really don't have that much regarding associations to work with. Neither you do if he flips red, to be honest, seeing as he hasn't posted much, unless I've missed something.
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On February 16 2010 06:31 Nikoner wrote:We can't just blindly post lists of confirmed mafia, what if we discover 8 members of the same family? If we post that, it's pretty much an auto-loss. Suddenly, being able to derive information from a somewhat private discussion becomes much more powerful. Couple that with the fact that mafia wouldn't typically want to kill DTs as you and it's not that bad of an idea.
No, it's not an auto-loss. The game then becomes a hunt for the last two members of that family, with the town trying to protect them with their medics while the other family tries to kill them and the town medics with a KP of 3 or less.
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On February 16 2010 06:37 Nikoner wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 06:28 L wrote:
Nikoner, not killing someone day 1 is generally a box of dumb. Even if it makes me look bad, its better to have 100% confirmable information for the town to work with regarding associations and whatnot.
Fair enough, but I'm wary of the possibility that lynching a mafia will lower one family's KP. If that situation persists for a decent amount of time, it could be bad for the town. I'd also like to point out that if Empyrean flips green, you really don't have that much regarding associations to work with. Neither you do if he flips red, to be honest, seeing as he hasn't posted much, unless I've missed something.
I'm not really wanting to talk a whole lot about game theory, as I feel that it sort of takes away from the town, but to nearly eliminate one mafia would not be detrimental if we had our medics still alive and could protect their remaining members (assuming we have 3 medics as someone said...)
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On February 16 2010 06:26 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 06:24 Nikoner wrote:
How do you expect DTs to come forward, they haven't even had the chance to do anything during the night yet. Only reason to come forward as a DT today would be if you're the godfather of a mafia so you could potentially infiltrate townie circles, and even then, it's way risky. Did you even read my post? I already stated very clearly that there is absolutely no incentive for mafia to kill DTs right now, or as long as the balance of power between the two mafias is maintained. None at all. Mafia have no method of identifying other mafia at this stage this early in the game. They want DTs to clear up suspects on their lists. Mafia don't have to kill a single townie this game in order to win, either. And I doubt a godfather would expose themselves this early. Why would they care about townie circles? Again, I stated multiple times that all mafia has to do is kill the other mafia. Infiltrating townie circles is a lot less useful than it is in games with just one mafia.
Got to agree with caller here. The mafia wouldn't have any incentive to kill the DT, they have limited kp, and wasting one on a DT who is probably medic protected wouldn't look like a good plan to the mafia. If we have one or two confirmed DT's around, it would make the game alot easier for the town, because by clearing townies as green, the mafia won't bother hitting them, which in turn could help create a central group of townies. The DT's wouldn't do anything but help the mafia kill each other faster and avoid hitting greens. The only difficulty would be identifying the true DT's from the mafia, which could probably be resolved in a day/night cycle or two.
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On February 16 2010 06:28 L wrote:
Nikoner, not killing someone day 1 is generally a box of dumb. Even if it makes me look bad, its better to have 100% confirmable information for the town to work with regarding associations and whatnot.
My only fear is that ZERO people have pushed back against my claim against emp, and a number of people have tagged along well after i took pains to make it clear i wasn't dropping the accusation. Either one of the mafia teams is using him as a sacrifice to get, say, ver, to look good by supporting my position, or emp is green/blue and afk like a moron. Given his vote, it would seem that he isn't afk, which leads me to believe that killing him will at least give me some information. I'm actually more worried about how much information regarding clue interpretation for this game I can glean from a red or green flip than anything else.
Like i said; Grow some fucking balls.
Well the only other person I can currently see fitting this clue is Zona based on his profile picture - it has sort of a blue radiant vibe to it. Problem with zona is he is probably going to be mod killed anyway for not voting.
The other killers have a couple people that could possibly fit into the clues ... the last one, not so much at least in my opinion. It is of course possible I'm missing something in someone's profile.
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So why are people voting for Chez all of a sudden? He just acts like a 12yr old kid that has yet to have his balls drop, as L so brilliantly pointed out. He also had 0 votes till now..
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On February 16 2010 06:52 SugiuraMidori wrote:
So why are people voting for Chez all of a sudden? He just acts like a 12yr old kid that has yet to have his balls drop, as L so brilliantly pointed out. He also had 0 votes till now..
waste vote?
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In my opinion, clues should allude to which family a Mafia is from, or the game is impossible to win.
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not impossible. see who mutually defended each other, voting habits.... personal messages...
there are ways to win.
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On February 16 2010 06:28 L wrote:
Nikoner, not killing someone day 1 is generally a box of dumb. Even if it makes me look bad, its better to have 100% confirmable information for the town to work with regarding associations and whatnot.
My only fear is that ZERO people have pushed back against my claim against emp, and a number of people have tagged along well after i took pains to make it clear i wasn't dropping the accusation. Either one of the mafia teams is using him as a sacrifice to get, say, ver, to look good by supporting my position, or emp is green/blue and afk like a moron. Given his vote, it would seem that he isn't afk, which leads me to believe that killing him will at least give me some information. I'm actually more worried about how much information regarding clue interpretation for this game I can glean from a red or green flip than anything else.
Like i said; Grow some fucking balls.
L, I'll nibble... only a bit. The clues we have regarding Emp are that his name has links to light, fire and heaven, but it seems to me that "thinking that an angel had saved the town" is more a manner of speech; a being masked by light is not necessarily the same as an angelic being. Consider BloodyCobbler's profile - plenty of blue-ish light in there, and it seems that he was eager to set you up as super-eager to lynch Ace.
I'm curious as to why no one's focusing on the hyena-laughter/psychopathic noises. Madnessman feels pretty red-herring to me, but who else could it be?
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On February 16 2010 06:52 SugiuraMidori wrote:
So why are people voting for Chez all of a sudden? He just acts like a 12yr old kid that has yet to have his balls drop, as L so brilliantly pointed out. He also had 0 votes till now..
I think it's that we know Chez won't win; L doesn't want to support anyone and picks a joke vote, and Bill is an idiot...
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Its not a wasted vote. I'd rather have someone who i'm pretty sure is a DT in office regardless of his posting mannerisms if the alternatives are just as stupid with far less potential for being blue.
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On February 16 2010 06:57 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 06:28 L wrote:
Nikoner, not killing someone day 1 is generally a box of dumb. Even if it makes me look bad, its better to have 100% confirmable information for the town to work with regarding associations and whatnot.
My only fear is that ZERO people have pushed back against my claim against emp, and a number of people have tagged along well after i took pains to make it clear i wasn't dropping the accusation. Either one of the mafia teams is using him as a sacrifice to get, say, ver, to look good by supporting my position, or emp is green/blue and afk like a moron. Given his vote, it would seem that he isn't afk, which leads me to believe that killing him will at least give me some information. I'm actually more worried about how much information regarding clue interpretation for this game I can glean from a red or green flip than anything else.
Like i said; Grow some fucking balls. L, I'll nibble... only a bit. The clues we have regarding Emp are that his name has links to light, fire and heaven, but it seems to me that "thinking that an angel had saved the town" is more a manner of speech; a being masked by light is not necessarily the same as an angelic being. Consider BloodyCobbler's profile - plenty of blue-ish light in there, and it seems that he was eager to set you up as super-eager to lynch Ace. I'm curious as to why no one's focusing on the hyena-laughter/psychopathic noises. Madnessman feels pretty red-herring to me, but who else could it be?
I think you have a good point with BC, that's another potential fit for the last killer. I've looked into the laughter and the noises and got nothing. The hyena like laughter came up at one point during the last mafia game we played - but it didn't seem to fit anyone in that game.
The people who were mafia in that game and are in this game are:
DrH
Mystlord
Phrujbaz
It still doesn't seem to fit any of the 3. Though I'll be honest I haven't for the life of me been able to find out what Phrujbaz means.
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