TL Mafia XVIII - Page 53

On February 16 2010 01:47 789 wrote:
Redtooth, I'm curious as to why you push L for voting so hard. How can you be sure he is non mafia?

On February 16 2010 03:34 citi.zen wrote:
It may even be nice to have a mafia elected official, they will have to be very active and generate a long trail f posts to analyze later. In the end I think the game gets interesting once DTs build a circle of trust with grens/blues and we can really get some traction. Provided the DTs don't check mafia 2x nights in a row, or stumble across the GF - which could make life very hard.

On February 16 2010 00:48 citi.zen wrote:
As promised, I will share my partial thoughts on player behavior thus far. The list is in no particular order and is obviously not exhaustive.

Ver: in my post yesterday I complained about people who only make “general theory of mafia” posts. That complaint referred to you and Ace in particular: smart players who simply stated they should be trusted based on past games and that they are awesome mafia catchers, yet do not make any serious attempt to help in this particular game. The many half-truths Ver had posted puzzled me. Then came Ver’s two posts on page 50. What joy: coherent and helpful thoughts on the current game, plus a good, ernest analysis on Empryean. Glad to finally see a better side of you, and agree with much of what you said. Empryean clearly matches clues + is somewhat shady with his posts.

Ace: partly covered above - extremely frustrating posts from a smart/veteran player. In the same breath Ace argues clues are unreliable and we need to rely on posting behavior, only to immediately try to stifle any forum discussion with the “if you point your finger at me based on clues you must be mafia” argument, and the even more nonsensical follow-up “I set a trap, anyone who points a finger at me falls right into it”. How does this attitude help generate behavioral clues if nobody is allowed to talk about the clues? Combine this with the (perhaps too) strong clues linking Ace to both Mafia families, and Ace looks very shady to me.

BloodyCobbler: too little history, but seems a bit too quiet and has a clue link. One to watch, but too little there for me to push the button at this time.

redtooth: recklessly aggressive, quickly pointing fingers and pushing very hard for his election. Many of his arguments are not as strong as he seems to think/make them out, and his statement that “going with the town is spineless” makes me nervous if he is elected and acts on his own weird theories. That said, no clue link to him as far as I can tell, and the fact that he is putting himself out there with such abandon means he is most likely green/blue.

L: similar to redtooth in his willingness to point fingers at people, but much less aggressive in his campaign. He is one to watch for the future to be sure, but right now I would not pull the trigger on lynching him if I had that power.

Chezinu: if he is town purposely spamming it is very annoying, we’re already over 50 pages on day one. If he is red he is doing a good job I guess. In the end I don’t care, I would not mind seeing him gone, but he is not a top priority target I suppose. If I had to guess I would think this is exactly the reaction he is going for… so whatever.

Bill Murray: in my opinion he is perfectly consistent with his behavior from game XVI, where he played very sloppy. He was a freaking DT, telling random people his role and how his clue-check turned, asking for medic protection on the forum and in private messages, and coming up with crazy theories he thought were golden. Nothing new under the sun as far as I am concerned so I doubt he is red.

DoctorH: I cannot tell if this is mafia XVI 2.0 or him playing town. I am puzzled as to why he is going after Bill so aggressively. DrH was red in game XVI, yet Bill fucking confided in him through PMs that he was a DT and that I was clue-checked green. How can DrH not know/ignore the fact that Bill always makes mistakes galore? This makes DrH fishy to me, but in the end I am not yet ready to pull the trigger.

Zato-1: shady posting behavior already covered by others and clue link to dreamflower’s killer. He is on the shortlist.

Parting thoughts

Last game convinced me that, thanks to the "no DT check" rule, I can never trust an elected official, even when they helped catch many mafiosi. This will be even more of an issue this time around, since mafia officials DO want to lynch/catch other mafia.

Much as I like Ver’s recent posts, I therefore do not want him elected, but would instead put him on the “DT check shortlist” - he can be far more useful from that role. Per my analysis above, I will withdraw my vote for DrH - I just don’t get his very aggressive stance on Bill Murray. As things stand, I will probably vote for redtooth or L, hoping to get both of them elected. Bill Murray could be a 3rd choice, but given his past (and current?) blatant mistakes, I'd rather not go there.

I would also like to hear more from veteran players who remain very quiet. Zona, Scamp and BloodyCobbler come to mind.

In the meantime, as Ver said, the most useful thing we can do now is to try to advance the lit of suspects, and help DTs come up with people to role-check on night 1.

On February 15 2010 17:30 Foolishness wrote:


Yes yes, let's please focus on those who aren't contributing. Multiple people have stated that it's going to be very easy for mafia to hide among the shadows this game (mostly due to the large number of people and subsequent lack of posting from a bunch of them). I read these posts where people are saying "oh if so and so is mafia, then x and y are also mafia as well. Or if we kill this person and he turns up green, then these three people must all be mafia". Get real guys, mafia aren't out here sabotaging the election or anything. They are sitting by having fun reading the thread and posting their votes when needed.



Bill Murray is the safest option to be in office as he is the most likely to be on the townside. Chezinu is just as likely, but Chezinu is prone to fuck ups so we don't want to put him in office.

And might I suggest the 5 line rule to you as well. If on any post the writer does not produce at least 5 lines of his own creation, don't read the post. Chances are nothing important was said. Nobody Cares Syndrome is affecting many people in this game. Iaaan has never said anything worthwhile this game yet so I'd go ahead and ignore anything he says as well.

On February 16 2010 05:10 Caller wrote:
Seriously, what is the point of updating those things? Who cares about numbers, people can post as much or as little as they like. Obviously the mafia won't be stupid and have all their members be constantly active in case they slip up, nor would they all pretend to be inactive. They would likely be distributed throughout the activity spectrum, so just making lists of how many posts people made is ludicrous.

You could just summarize it as this:

Active posters -
DoctorHelvetica
BillMurray
Chezinu
Redtooth
Meeple
Ace
L
Iaaan
BC

I dunno some of the newer players very well so I can't pass judgement on their actions. Of course we would expect some of the "veteran" players to say lots of shit cuz that's how they roll.


People with wise things to say
Zato-1, Redtooth (just a lil') Foolishness (especially the part about people spamming shit),~Opz~ I think ~Opz~ always has valid points. I remember when I was running Red Army Mafia that he nailed a lot of people on clues, even if nobody listened to anything he had to say.

everyone else seems to be talking random shit if you ask me ~~~

On February 16 2010 05:10 Caller wrote:
Seriously, what is the point of updating those things? Who cares about numbers, people can post as much or as little as they like. Obviously the mafia won't be stupid and have all their members be constantly active in case they slip up, nor would they all pretend to be inactive. They would likely be distributed throughout the activity spectrum, so just making lists of how many posts people made is ludicrous.

You could just summarize it as this:

Active posters -
DoctorHelvetica
BillMurray
Chezinu
Redtooth
Meeple
Ace
L
Iaaan
BC

I dunno some of the newer players very well so I can't pass judgement on their actions. Of course we would expect some of the "veteran" players to say lots of shit cuz that's how they roll.


People with wise things to say
Zato-1, Redtooth (just a lil') Foolishness (especially the part about people spamming shit),~Opz~ I think ~Opz~ always has valid points. I remember when I was running Red Army Mafia that he nailed a lot of people on clues, even if nobody listened to anything he had to say.

everyone else seems to be talking random shit if you ask me ~~~

On February 16 2010 05:10 Caller wrote:
Seriously, what is the point of updating those things? Who cares about numbers, people can post as much or as little as they like. Obviously the mafia won't be stupid and have all their members be constantly active in case they slip up, nor would they all pretend to be inactive. They would likely be distributed throughout the activity spectrum, so just making lists of how many posts people made is ludicrous.

You could just summarize it as this:

Active posters -
DoctorHelvetica
BillMurray
Chezinu
Redtooth
Meeple
Ace
L
Iaaan
BC

I dunno some of the newer players very well so I can't pass judgement on their actions. Of course we would expect some of the "veteran" players to say lots of shit cuz that's how they roll.


People with wise things to say
Zato-1, Redtooth (just a lil') Foolishness (especially the part about people spamming shit),~Opz~ I think ~Opz~ always has valid points. I remember when I was running Red Army Mafia that he nailed a lot of people on clues, even if nobody listened to anything he had to say.

everyone else seems to be talking random shit if you ask me ~~~

On February 16 2010 04:45 Iaaan wrote:



I'm noticing this because its me that your are talking about; you are singling me out as a useless poster, when in my view at least, there are plenty of other more useless posters. While I admit alot of my posts were dumb, I have made a few that are worth reading (specifically on page 41), yet you ignore those ones and single me out as an idiot. People will have their own opinion on what this means, and I don't want to revenge accuse, but it is worth pointing out.

In regards to the godfather, it isn't likely for them to choose anyone who will potentially be lynched/killed in the night 1/day 2 post or anyone who may be elected. This basically rules out L, Ace, Redtooth, Empyrean, and some other people who I'm too lazy to think of, but you know who they are. This is important because it makes them good choices for role checks; they are potentially mafia leaders, without protected identities.



(these next few things are less important/useless)
I'm leaning less towards Redtooth being mafia, and by extension a little less towards Ace, but I think that Redtooth has made some reasonable posts. Still suspicious, but I was considering lynching Empyrean instead (even if I'm not sure what information can be gained from killing him, mafia or not), and seeing Ver's post consolidated that.

I see why people (foolishness/Redtooth) were voting for Bill Murray, I'm pretty sure he isn't mafia, but I still don't agree with electing him, with all his useless spamming.

I like Ver and Citi.zens posts/plans.

On February 16 2010 05:43 Foolishness wrote:

NOBODY CARES!