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On February 16 2010 00:59 citi.zen wrote:
Ace - I already did - see my post on page 45.
I am not going to explain my post person by person. Read my post and make up your own minds. Think critically, at this point nobody can "demonstrate" anything beyond doubt.
Which is exactly why I asked the question. If you say the clues link me to both Mafia families it seems like you're trying to force the clues onto me rather than the other way around. How is it even possible that with so many players being Mafia this game that this can even happen?
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On February 16 2010 01:06 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 00:59 citi.zen wrote:
Ace - I already did - see my post on page 45.
I am not going to explain my post person by person. Read my post and make up your own minds. Think critically, at this point nobody can "demonstrate" anything beyond doubt. Which is exactly why I asked the question. If you say the clues link me to both Mafia families it seems like you're trying to force the clues onto me rather than the other way around. How is it even possible that with so many players being Mafia this game that this can even happen?
I think he meant it more in the way that there are more than one clue connected to you, so even if we're misinterpreting one of them, it gives a greater chance that one of the two clues refers to you.
Correct me if I'm wrong though
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On February 16 2010 01:11 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 01:06 Ace wrote:On February 16 2010 00:59 citi.zen wrote:
Ace - I already did - see my post on page 45.
I am not going to explain my post person by person. Read my post and make up your own minds. Think critically, at this point nobody can "demonstrate" anything beyond doubt. Which is exactly why I asked the question. If you say the clues link me to both Mafia families it seems like you're trying to force the clues onto me rather than the other way around. How is it even possible that with so many players being Mafia this game that this can even happen? I think he meant it more in the way that there are more than one clue connected to you, so even if we're misinterpreting one of them, it gives a greater chance that one of the two clues refers to you. Correct me if I'm wrong though
No it doesn't. You could be wrong with one clue, two clues, every clue. No one knows whether anyone is interpreting these clues in an unbiased manner or whether you're forcing interpretation on a player based upon the knowledge you have about Ace (profile info etc...)
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by you I'm referring to a general "you," not you specifically
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On February 16 2010 01:11 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 01:06 Ace wrote:On February 16 2010 00:59 citi.zen wrote:
Ace - I already did - see my post on page 45.
I am not going to explain my post person by person. Read my post and make up your own minds. Think critically, at this point nobody can "demonstrate" anything beyond doubt. Which is exactly why I asked the question. If you say the clues link me to both Mafia families it seems like you're trying to force the clues onto me rather than the other way around. How is it even possible that with so many players being Mafia this game that this can even happen? I think he meant it more in the way that there are more than one clue connected to you, so even if we're misinterpreting one of them, it gives a greater chance that one of the two clues refers to you. Correct me if I'm wrong though
Ok I get that. But my point I made from way back is that clues are subjective. So we don't know if they are right or not.
So with that in mind no one finds it strange that there seem to be so many coincidental clues being attached to me by multiple players on Day 1?
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The clues are confusing and not sure things, absolutely. With that caveat in mind, here are the connections to you Ace:
Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react.
- look at your profile pic.
Kennigit emerged from behind the wine barrel, thinking that an angel had saved the town. Unfortunately, Kennigit did not find favor from the now radiant creature, and exploded into a shower of blue light.
- Your profile quote: "If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you?"
Obviously they cant both be right at the same time, but the connection is there in both cases.
You sure respond very promptly every time someone points a finger at you. If you were equally proactive in other areas of the game I would think it much more likely you are the new Hobbes. Right now however you remain high on my shortlist.
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Citi.zen, the think is though that mystlord could fit the moon clue and EMP could fit the radiant creature clue. That is the danger of trying to fit clues to someone. Clues fit a lot better when you're trying to fit them to a specific person. Sure there is a chance that one or both of these fit Ace, there is the possibility that none of them fit him though. We should be careful about lynching based on clues so early.
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For those of you not getting the "Hobbes" reference: the guy was green last game but always had a tonne of clues which seemed to point at him. After the last night this is what he posted:
On January 29 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
all I know is finally the clues dont suggest me... considering the last few nights I was expecting tonight to be "his orange, stripy attacker left a great deal of fur and tuna fish behind..."
So yes Ace, clues can be misleading. That does not mean connections are not there.
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On February 16 2010 01:21 789 wrote:
Citi.zen, the think is though that mystlord could fit the moon clue and EMP could fit the radiant creature clue. That is the danger of trying to fit clues to someone. Clues fit a lot better when you're trying to fit them to a specific person. Sure there is a chance that one or both of these fit Ace, there is the possibility that none of them fit him though. We should be careful about lynching based on clues so early.
Read my posts again, I never said "lynch Ace right now based on day 1 clues". All I did was present my analysis of both clues and behavior, in two separate posts. It is partial and surely wrong in some ways, but I don't see how not saying anything moves the game along.
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Yeah, the connections are there ... the connections are there on me too. Several people have brought up the possibilty of some of the clues fitting me as well. But really my point is ... at this early point in the game we should be noting these connections in the clues and see if any come up later clue drops to solidify them. The day 1 lynch is usually a crap shoot ... analyzing day 1 clues is more of a crap shoot. I'm not sure we should stack crap shoots.
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On February 16 2010 01:27 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 01:21 789 wrote:
Citi.zen, the think is though that mystlord could fit the moon clue and EMP could fit the radiant creature clue. That is the danger of trying to fit clues to someone. Clues fit a lot better when you're trying to fit them to a specific person. Sure there is a chance that one or both of these fit Ace, there is the possibility that none of them fit him though. We should be careful about lynching based on clues so early. Read my posts again, I never said "lynch Ace right now based on day 1 clues". All I did was present my analysis of both clues and behavior, in two separate posts. It is partial and surely wrong in some ways, but I don't see how not saying anything moves the game along.
I know you didn't I was just bringing up the possibility that those clues could be matching someone else.
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On February 16 2010 01:27 789 wrote:
Yeah, the connections are there ... the connections are there on me too. Several people have brought up the possibilty of some of the clues fitting me as well. But really my point is ... at this early point in the game we should be noting these connections in the clues and see if any come up later clue drops to solidify them. The day 1 lynch is usually a crap shoot ... analyzing day 1 clues is more of a crap shoot. I'm not sure we should stack crap shoots.
So then you're advocating posting behavior? Who strikes you as someone who's posting as mafia?
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So what is your point: we need to all shut up and just... vote?
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On February 16 2010 01:29 citi.zen wrote:
So what is your point: we need to all shut up and just... vote?
My point was only if we're going to talk about clues possibly connecting to someone, we should talk about the other people they possibly fit.
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On February 16 2010 01:28 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 01:27 789 wrote:
Yeah, the connections are there ... the connections are there on me too. Several people have brought up the possibilty of some of the clues fitting me as well. But really my point is ... at this early point in the game we should be noting these connections in the clues and see if any come up later clue drops to solidify them. The day 1 lynch is usually a crap shoot ... analyzing day 1 clues is more of a crap shoot. I'm not sure we should stack crap shoots. So then you're advocating posting behavior? Who strikes you as someone who's posting as mafia?
I'll be honest with you .. I really don't know. The whole thing with 2 mafia families is sort of throwing me off. I'm sure at least someone in the whole L, DrH, Ace, redtooth, and laaan thing that's going on is mafia. The only problem is I don't know who.
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On February 16 2010 01:31 789 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 01:29 citi.zen wrote:
So what is your point: we need to all shut up and just... vote? My point was only if we're going to talk about clues possibly connecting to someone, we should talk about the other people they possibly fit.
Please stop posting for the sake of it.
My final answer to you, until you find something original to contribute: I went through the 51 profiles yesterday and posted my first fake on page 45. The list was not restricted to Ace and in fact I did include Mystlord, etc. - who you bring up on this page. Please read that list, and if you want, add names to it or cross them off. But don't say I only looked at Ace, and only based on clues.
God damn it, it is so easy to bury any important post with spam in this thread.
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fake = take in my post of course...
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On February 16 2010 01:18 citi.zen wrote:The clues are confusing and not sure things, absolutely. With that caveat in mind, here are the connections to you Ace: Show nested quote +Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react. - look at your profile pic. Show nested quote +Kennigit emerged from behind the wine barrel, thinking that an angel had saved the town. Unfortunately, Kennigit did not find favor from the now radiant creature, and exploded into a shower of blue light. - Your profile quote: "If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you?" Obviously they cant both be right at the same time, but the connection is there in both cases. You sure respond very promptly every time someone points a finger at you. If you were equally proactive in other areas of the game I would think it much more likely you are the new Hobbes. Right now however you remain high on my shortlist.
I don't know citizen, I'd figure trying to defend myself would be the wise choice instead of letting people off me with no resistance.
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By all means please do defend yourself man. I think some genuine contributions from a player many view as excellent would work a lot better than questioning very simple clue connections. That's just my opinion, of course.
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goddamit i sounded abrasive yesterday. i was in the middle of some extreme procrastination and was annoyed because of some irl stuff that came up. sorry to everybody who i ended up agitating but i've been moving through this game as if everybody would reason out stuff by themselves and got annoyed when i had to baby a million questions.
as of now the most ideal situation would be both me and MB get into office but seeing as that won't happen i'd go with L. remember that mayor/pardoner aren't that powerful in the hands of townies but can potentially become deadly in the hands of mafia. that means it's better to play it safe and elect sure non-mafia rather than risk getting unknowns like citizen or meeple into office.
and are we REALLY still doing day 1 clue analysis -__________-
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