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On February 17 2010 13:16 Qatol wrote: Hmph. Qatol is wrong all the time! Keep it up and these people will think I'm good at this game! bahaha go ahead and enjoy the 'benefits' of having a good 'reputation'  | ||
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I am a Veteran Why am I doing this? To get town coordination, which will help weed through the useless massses of people where there is a mix of green/blue/red. Also some more trust to enhance the strength of accusations would be good too. Since I'm sure there will be resistance to this move the coordination aspect can wait till that has died down. Proof required stuff etc: There were a possible 7 hits last night, 3 from each family and 1 bomb. Now BC doesn't *have* to place the bomb, but there's really no reason why he shouldn't. Since there were only 5 hits last night, 1 for sure that is unaccounted for and another that is very likely also missing. As has already been stated, the double clueset for BC very likely points to two mafia hitting him. Otherwise there is still another hit missing and Incognito is screwing with us (not likely). Since BC could not have bombed himself and there'd be no clue for that, he either bombed nobody, bombed somebody else dead, bombed somebody alive who was protted (and never called it), or bombed me. However, there is a post by BC right before he died that gives a pretty strong indication of who he would bomb. On February 17 2010 02:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: For anyone in the general know how, and medics feel free to not prot me. However, Ver has tried to guess my role, as well as actively pm people this game. Both are actions Ver rarely takes. Read earlier in the thread and you will find that he "RC'd" to BM. I will spend some time once ive showered going over his posts and analyzing him, but he is not as safe an option to prot any more than I am. His earlier accusations of anyone besides me were long before that time. The possibilities here: 1) I really am a Vet and this is all the truth 2) BC never planted a bomb or planted it on another dead target, BC took 2 hits, and I decided to take a huge gamble in lying that I took a hit within 11 minutes after the day post. This would make no sense because if I was lying I wouldn't know what happened with BC's bomb and would be taking an enormous risk if he in fact bombed someone still alive. However, nobody else has called out a hit. That means all hits are accounted for, or someone is being a noob and not saying anything despite the fact that they would get a mafia 100% certain if they were telling the truth. Since it's already been over 24 hours, the latter pretty much isn't going to happen. 3) I am lying that I am a Vet, was protected by a medic, and they would call me out. My family loses its leader and splinters away. Now of course, if I am telling the truth a mafia can still sacrifice themselves and claim to be medic that protected me to get me killed. That's certainly possible, but that's a risk I'm willing to take since I don't feel anyone left alive can convince the town against me from an inferior position (both on posting history and the fact that they must lie), and the benefits of getting a confirmed innocent are enormous, and in the worst case I will trade myself for a mafia. Furthermore that action is also very disadvantageous for the mafia that does it, because they are losing a member in an action that does not help them any more than the other side. Obviously neither mafia wants a confirmed innocent and will do all in their power to put suspicion on me, but to actually get rid of me they have to put themselves in an inferior position by sacrificing a member. Lastly, why am I doing this so late? First I was under suspicion for whatever reason and I figured this would just amplify it if I did it then. Secondly, I wanted to see if anyone else would claim that they got hit, and nobody has in 24 hours. Oh and for those who bring up that I claimed hatter to Bill Murray, that was to provoke a response that would determine his alignment, nothing more. Hatter is a lot more suited to provoking a response than bland old Vet. | ||
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On February 18 2010 11:51 L wrote: So you put yourself on the medic protection list as a Vet and then claimed someone protected you when you should have been told you lost a night life. So you're trying to pull medic prots and then lied to the town AND to someone else in PMs? And so claiming this this far into the day is supposed to make you seem less fraudulent because you wanted, explicitly stated, the heat on you to die down? Rofl. I never claimed someone protected me. I simply said I was hit. It doesn't matter whether I appear less fradulent or not, I never have fears of looking suspicious when I am innocent (remember caller's mafiya? we had this exact same exchange). If nobody believes me then yeah this failed and I'll just keep doing analysis the best I can. But really in this scenario unless someone calls me a liar those actions you listed are irrelevant and can simply be reduced to bad play because I am basically a confirmed innocent at this point unless someone calls me a liar about taking a hit or protting me. | ||
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On February 18 2010 11:56 Mystlord wrote: @Ver: Ok, so you're a Veteran. I don't doubt you. Like I said when you first told us you got hit, the risk is too great to lie. I'm not exactly sure how that helps us in any way though. Of course. Ignore me. Any justifiable reason? Confirmed innocents can force roleclaims. | ||
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But first things first. This is pretty simple. Nobody has claimed against my vet roleclaim or that I took a hit. This makes me a confirmed innocent. The most important step with confirmed innocents is to force roleclaims. Why do this? For one, it makes it easy for us to sort between inactive mafia and inactive innocents, and two, it let's us coordinate blues which is EXTREMELY important. Otherwise DTs will have a royal problem trying to get their information out, medic prots will be awry, etc. Send your roles and night 1 actions to me asap If you don't roleclaim you are either a) mafia or b) don't trust me; if b) is the reason why, then you better post in the thread your reasons why my proof doesn't work and why you didn't say anything earlier. Yes, you should roleclaim even if you are green, and obviously if you are dt, hatter, vigi, med, whatever. Trust me, it helps a lot. This forces the mafia to choose between roleclaiming blue (where it is really easy to figure them out) and roleclaiming green, instead of just getting to sit back. Of course if mafia doesn't want to roleclaim be my guest, it'll only make it easier to pinpoint them. I'll get something for this lynch in a few mins but the main problem is that there are so many mafia that we simply need to pick one and go. Don't let this roleclaim step distract from the lynch, do both. | ||
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Regardless i'm expecting roleclaims. Medics should very well roleclaim because I don't want any innocents getting hit in the crossfire tonight (knowing all the blues makes it a million times easier). This lynch is a lost cause since we simply got around to organizing it too late and too many people are inactive but whatever, this night is going to be real juicy. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica Versatile Shikyo Decaf MasterDana Shockeyy Tree Hugger Nemy Quickstriker Dozko Madnessman Sidesprang Tredmasta 789 Johnnyspazz Opz Have fun, in depth stuff coming up. | ||
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Anyway so far I've gotten around half the town's roleclaims, which is great. Innocents at this point have no reason not to roleclaim as they will just end up in the crossfire otherwise, and it's not like knowing 3 dts is that much worse than knowing 2 if indeed I am lying. You're just shooting the town in the foot at this point if you stay silent since your death is completely avoidable and with this level of activity there's no real way of sorting between innocents/mafia that never post. And to briefly summarize the ways I could not be confirmed: -BC would have to have not bombed anyone or bombed someone else already dead DESPITE saying that medics should not protect me and I am just as suspicious as he is. Gee I wonder what he's trying to do? -I would have to take a ridiculously retarded risk of claiming that I was hit within 11 minutes of the day post despite the fact that someone else could have taken a hit and been protted (which I had no way of knowing about that early). If anyone else had taken a hit and lived they would've called me out and I would have died, game over. It's pretty obvious there's only one plausible scenario here. And as a sidenote a DT rolechecked me night 1 (and got vet obviously lol). Obviously that isn't a reason to trust me but it is pretty amusing. | ||
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But really, 2nd night has had about 2 pages of posts, many of them fluff....is there any point to playing anymore? It's not like it's only town inactivity either, as at least one of the mafia families is disorganized and not particularly active. Half the people in the game show up only to abstain and it's not like all of them are mafia either. What's the point? I'd still be interested if the situation was going to change but at this rate it doesn't look like it since the beta only began, and it's way too early for any side to have a real advantage either since this format takes several days before one side could really have a telling advantage. Who's actually in favor of continuing to play and why? | ||
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I talked to Nemy last night. He had a bomb on bill murray from day 1 then planted one on me, but then roleclaimed to me. he removed the bomb on me, put it on dr h, and then died. Both bomb deaths are from him. Shikyo did not roleclaim, frankly I don't even know if he planted a bomb given his activity. 1 mafia kill for sure overlapped with Nemy's bombs (most probable on Dr H). Either Shikyo's bombs overlapped, were blocked, or he didn't place any (most likely). This is why you roleclaim though, so we can avoid pointless death's like shikyo's. As for today's lynch, Tree Hugger sounds like the best bet for now. | ||
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On February 12 2010 07:55 tree.hugger wrote: I think it'll be nice to have a game where half the people and nearly all the blues aren't inactive... On February 15 2010 13:03 tree.hugger wrote: I have a feeling that way to many of these posts, especially the ones from our veterans are tainted by personal feelings. Which is a little disappointing, because only unbiased, in-depth analysis is what is going to win us the game. And activity of course. I don't think my last stint as mayor would make me a good choice for the post, but I would suggest that the mayor be someone without the massive ego. On February 19 2010 14:23 tree.hugger wrote: I can't wait for my full analysis. Because I'm very curious where this wonderful list of names emanated from. Because if this is a list of people under suspicion, then you're certainly up there as well. At least I should be around just enough to really read this forum now. Last game he was townie mayor and lost because of massive inactivity. This game he touts how important activity is for the town to win...and proceeds to go inactive. But he is most certainly around, as he responds instantly when called out. Something doesn't add up here. | ||
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Double Lynching this early only helps the mafia. This means: L Fishball Foolishness LucasWoJ tree.hugger Iaaan Chezinu Scamp Caller sidesprang meeple Remove your double lynch vote now, no excuses. Double lynching at this point only favors the mafia. Secondly, here are two alternative game progressions: 1) Ideal Scenario: We keep both families at 7/7, 4/4, 2/2. Of course that means we and they would be 100% accurate, but in general keeping them at the same kp is good enough. 2) Bad Scenario: 1 family gets KP and a member or two ahead, then further increases their lead if both families keep hitting mafia. In other words, keep both families at the same KP/roughly equal member situation and we are good. Yes all of this is quite obvious, but that's what is going on right now. The Sumiyoshi are trying to get Scamp (who is extremely likely Gambino) killed, thus achieving a superior position of 3:2 in kp and 8:6 in numbers. It's not a big deal if 1 family is a member ahead but we cannot let them get KP ahead, because that is a neverending spiral that leads to our loss. Thus it is extremely important that we make sure a Sumiyoshi dies in this lynch, tying both families at 7. It is possible I might be wrong about Sumiyoshi intentions since a lot of people are voting for johnnyspazz (who can wait for tonight, quit voting for him), but regardless the most important thing is to make sure a sumiyoshi dies. A DT (the one who checked me actually) inspected Quickstriker last night and found that he is Sumiyoshi. Who cares about all these stupid conspiracy theorr lies, they are not important and distract us from the real task at hand: ensuring both families stay equal in power. Vote for Quickstriker and DO NOT Vote for Double Lynch. And btw anyone who pm'ed me sorry, you're going to have to wait a bit more for a response. I don't have much time but this needed to be said. | ||
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dunno why lies is there. | ||
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Nevermind me on that, though there is no reason to be voting for anyone besides quickstriker. | ||
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I come back to see THIS? I don't even know what to say. I give you a rolechecked mafia from the family you need to kill and instead you vote on some crazy conspiracy theory. The Redtooth list cant ALL be mafia. Sit back and think objectively guys. Redtooth has already 'linked' himself to Ace, and we sure know they were in cahoots right? I honestly don't care what role Redtooth is because Quickstriker is confirmed mafia and we need to even the families out. Basically: 1) QS is confirmed, and if he doesn't end up Sumiyoshi then either me, or a "DT", or both, are going to die. That's a very simple way of proof. 2) Which is more convincing of being mafia, the Redtooth conspiracy theory or a DT check? 3) Redtooth flipping anything has no relation to my alignment. He can say whatever he wants, just like he did with Ace. That doesn't prove anything. All I care about is getting the highest degree of accuracy and keeping the families even. Hell at this rate Redtooth is going to die from a modkill. Time to finally go through my stack of pm's. | ||
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Anyway night list will take some time, i need to sort through everything and still finish replying to pm's. I really the need the last roleclaims too, you guys are crippling the town :/ | ||
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Gambino hitlist: Caller (if he's not one of you) QS foolishness lucaswoj | ||
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QS: Rolecheck Caller: Liars must die Foolishness: Always active, no real contributions. Lucaswoj: Same. Only posts have been neutral, no finger pointing. And L is getting lynched of course irregardless of role. | ||
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