EPTgrrrr, go back to where you came from!!!!!! We no haz room for the likes for you other town townies!!! This is our town!!!
That being said, despite our slowness and inactiveness compared to the other town, I will proud to say, WE ARE SUPERIOR! ^_^
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grrrr, go back to where you came from!!!!!! We no haz room for the likes for you other town townies!!! This is our town!!! That being said, despite our slowness and inactiveness compared to the other town, I will proud to say, WE ARE SUPERIOR! ^_^ | ||
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That being said, I think the best case for the people running for positions is to state who they do wish to use their first lynch one as that the most important case right now. Now, I want to move back to the DT matter and note that for DT, there are only 2 role checks you can do and UNLIMITED clue checks. If you look at the rules, that's what it said with explanation. To maximize and help the DT, I gave some suggestions back in previous pages on how to take onto this matter but I'll repeat again in a simple short manner. For the first night, I recommend the DTs to get one post that sums up all clues, have that post checked using "clue check" rather than role check wasting the precious limited uses you can for that. They must suggest and lead the way to the town in which direction this game must go to, and have evidence and reason without revealing you are a DT to everyone, or else you're dead. It's like in the anime deathnote. If Kira sees you, you're going to get written on the notebook and bam. GG. So be wary of that. | ||
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On January 21 2010 09:49 SagaZ wrote: And I don't like the idea of not lynching ayone until we're 100% sure. The thing is, we're never going to be, the game will revolve around making guess and playing a bit with each others to try to get the maximum info for the big guess. Basically, not lynching anyone sets the town back and gives the iniciative to the mafia players since I guess the mafia is more likely to target the most active posters. So hopefully the medics are good at guessing who's going to be attacked. First day is more likely to lynch an honest civilian, but it almost always does. The mayor thing, we have no choice of. The mayor HAS TO lynch someone, so if anything, it should be for the best interest of what everyone thinks and suggest who the mafia is. However, the only reason I suggest that is the cost of risk if we happen to incorrectly vote who the mafia is and instead end up with a dead DT or medic or anything who's important. The initial clues right now is too vague and we need more leads. That's why I suggested 2-3 days wait but now, I'm going to suggest perhaps only one day skip instead because it may be harder to end up with 6-9 people dead. But there will be that much more clues given. The point is, this game will end if there are more mafias than townies. There are 7 of them and the rest are 27. So even with 7 of them gone (1 from mayor and let's say we give up 6 of them for their killing), there will still be 20 townies strong standing to go up against 7. Their powers of killing work based on their number divide by 2 and rounded up but max is 3. So they can kill 3 right now. If we can at least reduce that to 4, they can only kill 2. And 2 will mean 1. But right now, I can't come up with other solutions but to wait until for more clues. If the clues are obvious or if the clues can actually lead up to a single lead, that would be the next step, deciding whether to lynch him during the day or not... | ||
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On January 21 2010 10:08 Iaaan wrote: If he were a Mafia, he would want to get townies on his side, as not to get lynched. There is what, a 1/5 chance for any person to be Mafia? There are no ground to rule anyone out yet. Everyone should be aware of accusations of peoples roles and the meaning behind them, weather the poster has a good basis behind their judgment, or if they have another purpose for posting, to stir townies up and set them against each other, or any other reason. Oh course I can be doing this for the good will and solely so I can win the game and not lose. I'm a sore loser and I really hate seeing the town moving in such insignificant manner where they cannot figure out some the simplest basic things around. And regardless of whether or not I'm mafia, I am doing this because the game must go on in a way victory cannot achieve so easily but not impossible as well. So that's that according to this part. As I repeated myself again and again, be wary of the candidates of the election as I am certain at least one of them is mafia trying to be a mayor. Should such event happen, the game will be in automatic disadvantage for the townies and chance of victory becomes slim to none. But it is not impossible. However, as much as I like challenges, I also like easy big wins so once again, make sure you get everything of their info, intentions, and mindset of these candidates before you make your votes and choose them. | ||
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On January 20 2010 12:32 QuickStriker wrote: My only concern here is that a mafia sneaking in to be a mayor/sheriff which can allow a bit of chaos and the game may destroy us from the inside out... Let's look at some basic simple statistics here though. We have 34 players, 27 of which are townies where the other 7 are mafias... so by using simple basic math, we get: Mafias - 20.6% Other (Non-mafias) - 79.4% These 2 positions (mayor and sheriff) comes up to about 6% of our population. As 20.6% may seem small or a lot to some people, I believe we really need to be cautious here to make sure that within 20.6%, they won't spread and expand their territory to be of the powerful 6% which makes up mayor/sheriff...... Yes, it's over 1/5 which is 20% for mafias which isn't good. But we are still 80% townie strong so it's safe for now. | ||
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On January 21 2010 10:45 citi.zen wrote: Let me throw this out there: we all agree an elected position benefits the mob, if they can get it. Also, the mob is organized and know each other, so they are likely to pre-determine who will run from their camp. So my conjecture is this: one and only one of the candidates is a mobster. | ||
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On January 21 2010 10:46 Fulgrim wrote: Ok this is kind of sad, I read the last few pages that I missed and it seemed like the same 4 people were posting for like the whole day.... Where is everyone else? (this could cause major problems, imagine if half of our game was modkilled...) Quick, d3 and tree, you guys have all been posting a ton, and I'm having trouble deciding who to vote for, have you guys all played before? I've played this game plenty of times before, both in real-life and also in TL mafia in the past. So I have some knowledge and experience of it. My reasoning is at least the very basic level. So that's my story. Don't know about the other guys. On January 21 2010 10:48 SagaZ wrote: okay, this is quite an interesting post actually. QS make this post about why should detective stay hidden, it's well explained but it's all comon sense and the conclusions are what anyone should see with a minimal thought process. detective and medics stay hidden to the mafia blablabla. Everything is nice and helps newer player in the case they haven't seen it. Now comes shockeey's post, basically saying how great QS is for saying what should be common sense. That makes me think about three case senarios. 1) QS and shockeey are mafia, they set up behind the scene the act. This goes well with QS's post activity to make people trust him, the intent of this tutorial would then be to try to earn some trust of newer players. Shockeey's post would only be to reinforce this and creat a bandwagon. 2) Shockeey is mafia, QS isn't. Shockeey, seing how QS posts alot wants to try to get in his good side and possibly misslead him. if someone says good things about you, it's harder to say bad things about them. 3) Neither are mafia, Shockeey just didn't saw how blue roles in general should play on his own and is impressed at how a mafia game works. These maybe are very far away from truth of course. About the first lynch, right now, killing the most inactive seems the safest choice, but maybe we could play around with the idea of killing shockeey. Excellent deduction. I was worried no one would catch on to this as I personally felt strange that shockeey just appear out of nowhere and voted for me and praising me. Of course, none of you have to believe what I say but I'm just saying in my own mindset of how I saw this situation. I definitely considered case 2 and 3 of what you said as it's possible that a mafia can pop out and make such remarks of trying to get on my side. But I was aware of this. #3 is also possible and perhaps it can be greater that maybe in secret, he might be something more than a townie. Now, I also considered #1 as I viewed myself from the outsider form and that is very likely possible too. But these 3 cases are possible, though I would add a fourth case would is also unlikely but possible: 4. Shockeey and/or QS is a blue role (ie. DT) and perhaps trying to get some feedback and strength within the town. Most likely the fact that Shockeey is new to the mafia and the roles thing, and I was able to give him some basic info that is important to know in which he is impressed of my remarks of how he should lead his role (whatever it may be). Of course I'm not too sure about this but you are right, it was a bit suspicious of that sudden incident to happen. So thanks for catching on and sharing this to everyone. | ||
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On January 21 2010 10:59 XeliN wrote: As to the post above, I personally believe that the Mafia will not have planned to simply put one person forward, It would be extremely risky, and an exceptional gamble to do so. I am leaning more towards a "swamp" strategy wereby the mafia would but 3 or possibly more candidtaes forward in the hope that either way they get someone elected. Unless you can provide a better argument as to why the Mafia would only put one person forward for election I am inclined to think they are far more likely to put many people forward to be elected. I do like to question your methods and reasons toward either voting/lynching me or that other guy off. In such an early stage of the game to now, you have admitted that I am possible to be mafia. The clues given by "no_re" is possible yet cannot be found 100% accurate. So my question is this, what will you do or rather, what will do you think will happen if you voted me (or the other guy) off, and I ended up not as mafia?? I will give my suggestion and answer to regards of this question after I hear yours. | ||
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On January 21 2010 11:02 johnnyspazz wrote: sorry i havent been active much, first time playing and i dont really know how to respond heh just so clear things up, DT stands for detective right? Yes | ||
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On January 21 2010 11:10 XeliN wrote: That is an interesting question Quickstriker, The reasons i consider you suspicious are mainly due to the nature of your posting, although i certianly think the "Quick attack" potential clue that no_re highlighted oh so long ago is both plausible and telling. In that hypothesis i feel i would have achieved something as it would lend itself very well to helping me evaluate other players who would be inextricably linked (in my mind) with the outcome if you turned out to be non-mafia. I do however feel out of everyone so far that you are the most obviously Mafia and if I am wrong i would have to do alot of inner thinking and possibly some meditation. It's nothing personal btw so please don't take it as such this is just honestly my opinion on the matter as of this moment. Alright, thanks your answer. Now allow me to share some input on some of the possibility of the aftermath if your hypothesis tend to be false. (Also, this is in no way to be offensive, however as my personality and character calls for it, I feel the need to self-assert myself with possibilities and reasons of my own. I did not do this in the past which caused the errors of my ways.) Now my answer is, should the case where you happen to lynch the wrong person and get someone who is a non-mafia, a simple townie or worse, an important character among the townie, a high possibility can happen. People will start to doubt you, the townies will question your methods, there will be a share chance that you might be next to be lynched/voted out. Now, if you are the mafia and this was intentional (since mafia knows who other maifas are and this can be a grand scheme), it is a very unwise decision to pull in such a way. Because you got it wrong, and even with fellow mafias around you, the chances of survival can be lower than before the incident. Now, if you aren't the mafia and you have voted incorrectly, there is still the greater cause of trouble, far more so than being the mafia itself. Not only the innocent regular townies will doubt you, but the maifas will support the townies, blend in, and support from mafia will come to go against you. A common cause will happen, the mafia using this confusion, taking to this advantage and try to get rid of you using the day vote power rather than their regular killing power at night, because it's easier to kill during day due to having to kill bodyguards first than mayor for nighttime. That is my simplified answer. Finally, I like to note this to everyone, especially mafias out there of what I have just done. By stating exactly of the possibility of these events even when I'm voted out, the chances of this happening is still possible. However, hopefully by announcing the actual possible scheme to come, I have lower or reduced the chances of this happening at least by a tiny bit because I already laid out the whole possible plan ahead of the mafia. Which means the mafia have to find another method or smarten themselves up in order to get rid of the mayor. Have that for food for thought mafia! | ||
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Lastly, for everyone's reference, I have updated the voting list as of yet: On January 21 2010 12:01 QuickStriker wrote: Updated list of candidates and votes: Fulgrim - 2 d3_crescentia - 1 laaan - 1 QuickStriker - 1 tree.hugger - 1 Man.magic - 0 Xelin - 0 Abstain votes: 4 (I also abstain my vote until tomorrow to make my final decision) Total Votes so far: 10 | ||
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On January 21 2010 12:30 XeliN wrote: and i bring up i was//am drinking because, I AM! its not a tool to make people not read into my posts quite frankly i hope people do as i think they in themselves show me to not be mafia and instead trying to be involved and instrumental in this game. However if i do die and Im gonna put it out there i think i might, have a glance towards the people accusing me and take that into consideration townies. also the skype offer was genuine if you think i am lying then come online and chat to me lol, im pretty sure that would get accross my innocence of being red far better. Of course you are currently defending yourself explaining your posts after they had absolute unnecessary purpose into the thread in the first place. Now you have given them a purpose of their meanings AFTER people have started to doubt and question you. That is something I just like to note, it's fairly basic but I just like to note that to everyone. | ||
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On January 21 2010 12:35 XeliN wrote: WHAT? seriously what? "Of course you are currently defending yourself explaining your posts after they had absolute unnecessary purpose into the thread in the first place." what do you even mean by this? seriously explain yourself more clearly. And furthermore if my posts had "absolute unneccesary purpose into the thread in the first place" how on earth does my post just above provide purpose for them? You literally are making no sense to me. Simple. How and in what way is drinking contribute to this discussion? What about playing a game with a friend on skype? You can have easily just leave without saying and it would produce the same result. I admit, I am harshly attacking you right now but I am doing it for the sole purpose to figure out how exactly you would respond to my comments as well as to see where your intention/mindset lies based on the post given in the previous. These posts were obviously tossed on the side and they may have not meant anything. I wouldn't probably have said anything about it either had no one mention and analyze your post on the last page. However, with regards to how it gains purpose now was based on your comment before this quote where you were trying to defend yourself in regards to why and how these comments are contribute to your posts. Hopefully I don't need to explain further. | ||
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