Incognito's TL Mafia XVI

On January 20 2010 13:23 meeple wrote:
just for future reference/consideration:

citi.zen's quote

"Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam." means I will either find a way or make one.
It's taken from a Greek War Commander named Hannibal.

On January 20 2010 14:21 meeple wrote:


Gotta agree with the Doctor on this one

On January 20 2010 14:22 meeple wrote:


Bad guy 1 could be a cookie monster... he has a habit of stuffing cookies down his throat.

Why are you guessing keit?

On January 20 2010 23:10 magicbullet wrote:
"lifting his fists and taunting them with strange barbaric noises"

Definitely a clue in here, it does not go naturally with the rest of the sentence.

But how is these related to Hobbes or the Leviathan ?

On January 20 2010 17:20 t_co wrote:
I just read dreamflower's post. I apologize but I can't edit my above post. If a mod would like to take that down it would be much appreciated.

I vote for t_co.

Into the fray my friends, may our feet be swift, our hands be sure, and our necks keep a firm grasp on our heads.

skronch - Really no other reason than his name. As he does not have any text or images in his profile, his name is the only thing that could be used as a clue. And “skronch” sounds like the sound one makes when eating the apple.

The_Master – A little weak but blocking a knife attack with a fruit and then killing the assailant with it takes a lot of skill. Besides his name, his quote is: “[CPL]Master on team Prodigies!”

On January 21 2010 04:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I mean, let's say citi.zen is elected mayor. We eventually suspect him of being mafia and lynch him and it turns out he is. Then we should examine who voted for him as probably a few of them are mafia. Then we can compare that list to clues and such

On January 21 2010 04:46 t_co wrote:


My mistake. Still, the point is, rushing to ask people to lynch off the voices of a substantial minority and 1 day's worth of clues is kind of suicidal. It takes 2 points to draw a line, after all. With 4 mafia clues per day and only 8 mafia total, it shouldn't take that long for more mafia clues to pile up that point us in a better direction.

Cruel as it may sound, the first day lynch matters little in the long run, because the town is still at 34 members and the mafia only at 8, which means there is a substantial margin of error available to us.

On January 21 2010 06:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No.

And the detective can't just come out and say "derp im a detective and i rolechecked Ng5 and yeah he's mafia."

1. Why should the town believe him? He could be mafia trying to divert attention away from a real mafia member.

2. If he is a real detective, the mafia will probably kill him that night.

On January 21 2010 06:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well, that's why we need to make sure the mayor goes along with the town consensus.

Also, a mafia mayor may do that, since mafia killpower will still be 3 regardless of whether there are 6 or 7 mafia left.

On January 20 2010 14:16 citi.zen wrote:
How about this: one of Qatol's quotes is: "guns make you stupid." We have a player called magicbullet - who could resent that and call him vile, dirty scum.

On January 20 2010 17:14 t_co wrote:


My Fellow Liquidians,

We face the threat of extermination. Within our ranks, there lurks members whose sole driving focus is to kill us all (and hopefully leave a few clues behind). Individually, all we are armed with is our wits. That will not be enough, for our enemy strikes unseen while we must cast our votes openly.

The answer is trust. We must learn to trust one another even as we fight an unseen enemy in our ranks, and that is impossible without someone to lead the way.

That is why, today, I am running to be your Sheriff. I will strive to discover and work with Blues in the best manner possible, so that we can all make it out of here alive. I've played in good mafia games, bad mafia games, and served time in the psychotic morass known as Caller's Red Army, so I know how to be a man and do the right thing.

Vote for survival. Vote t_co for your Mafia XVI Sheriff.

On January 21 2010 08:06 t_co wrote:


This, coming from the same person who said



seems kind of odd. I find this sudden tightness between meeple and DH kind of suspicious.

But the main topic here should be that we should lynch the mayor regardless of whether we think he is mafia or not.

The mayor role is actually quite overpowered compared to the sheriff, but the power only helps if the mayor is mafia.

Consider that the extra three votes of the mayor don't really start kicking in until later in the game, when vote total gets smaller and smaller. By then, most of the bodyguards may be dead.

If the mayor is town, then the mafia can kill him.

If the mayor is mafia, the mafia get an additional 2 votes to use when there aren't that many actives left.

In this case, the mayor is a pretty useless role for the town to keep and should be lynched ASAP. It would also allow the meeple DH duo to be verified, as if one of the two shows up clean, the other ought to be clean as well.

On January 21 2010 12:23 Abenson wrote:
I'm so confused right now....
The clues don't seem to tell anything in the Day 1 post... D;
Anyways....
I think that we should stick with hard facts for now, and I really think T_co is extremely suspicious like most of you, but I think we should observe before doing anything rash.

Needless to say if I flip green/blue then doctorH/meeple are in doubt.

On January 22 2010 02:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Has anyone considered the whole possibility that the mafia doesn't even have a candidate?

We've been going on this whole shitstorm assuming someone running for office is red.

The mafia could see that and just think "well wouldn't it really fuck with them if none of us ran? They'll tear each other apart and probably end up lynching their elected candidates"

That's kind what is happening too.

On January 22 2010 05:11 Phrujbaz wrote:
I've been thinking, how can we find confirmed innocents to help coordinate town?

Detectives can sort of confirm an innocent with a rolecheck. It could still be the godfather though.

Medics can confirm someone by saving that person.

Are there any other ways?

On January 22 2010 11:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


I'm starting to think that all the candidates are green/blue and that the mafia were satisfied with the disruption happening anyway. After all, why would mafia want mayor/sheriff when the town has been saying for pages now that those two people are going to be scrutinized the most?

Let's say myself/meeple/you is mafia. Any mafia member would have known t_co is green and that lynching him would cast suspicion on one of us. So I think anyone in the mafia would have either tried to convince the town not to lynch t_co (assuming the mafia has a candidate) or dropped out of the race altogether.

Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask one of the following, which I will answer:
1. Does X contain a clue? (Where X is part of a Day post) (called a "Clue Check")
2. Does X contain a clue that points to Y? (Where X is part of a Day post and Y is a player's name) (called a "Clue Check")
3. What is Y's role? (Where Y is a player's role) (called a "Role Check")

X can be no larger than one sentence.

Does "With that, he launched himself forward at the three town leaders, lifting his fists and taunting them with strange barbaric noises." point to [NyC]Hobbes?

On January 23 2010 02:32 789 wrote:
Also the problem with my idea is the relay of information.

A mafia could say DoctorH is red to get him lynched. If he flips green/blue the person who relayed the information becomes a lynch target. He could be mafia or innocent, duped by the mafia.
A detective could follow through on this, send his PM to a mafia. This could potenially cost us a detective AND sherrif.
If DoctorH ends up being lynched and flips red, the person who relays the information is a target to be hit. Whether the detective himself or the person he sent a PM too.

On January 23 2010 05:12 Faronel wrote:

I added in the 2nd paragraph about how lynching the mayor is awesome.

On January 23 2010 08:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
3 hours until the next day.

I'm a bit nervous : /

From the darkness, a figure appeared just outside the garage, advancing on him with what looked like a sledgehammer. The figure moved quickly, wearing a large helmet resembling an old rusty pail.

On January 23 2010 13:13 citi.zen wrote:


This seems waaaay too specific to be accidental.

On January 24 2010 23:04 meeple wrote:
And there's a stronger link to him than to really any of the others... He was in the middle of the whole Bill.Murray fiasco, and yeah you can chalk that up to the Mafia catching on, but you gotta admit its still pretty incriminating.

On January 26 2010 00:00 flamewheel91 wrote:


flamewheel
I agree though: until we get the next set of clues, it would be prudent for us to look based on players' actions and interactions.

Seeing as how I cannot actually dissuade people from logic since clues are there, I invite persons who have suspicions about me to interrogate me further.

Zona noticed that even the air was gradually growing harsh and stifling. He was starting to have difficulty breathing. The thick air stuck to the back of his throat and filled his nostrils, making him feel dizzy and drowsy. He tried to fight the sensation but couldn't and keeled over, unconscious. A man with a scarf wrapped around his face appeared above him, looking perfectly at home in the oppressive atmosphere.

On January 26 2010 22:52 citi.zen wrote:
what do we make of this:

Zona noticed that even the air was gradually growing harsh and stifling. He was starting to have difficulty breathing. The thick air stuck to the back of his throat and filled his nostrils, making him feel dizzy and drowsy. He tried to fight the sensation but couldn't and keeled over, unconscious. A man with a scarf wrapped around his face appeared above him, looking perfectly at home in the oppressive atmosphere.

On January 27 2010 06:45 Ng5 wrote:


Wait a minute...

I don't know much about wrestling, but... Someone could look into it. A wrestler! It's usual in wrestling to grab the other's face trying to hit them to solid objects, no? Or some kind of modern-age gladiator 'reality show'? There was also one with... Bucket heads and blunt objects trying to push each other off of planks into water, no? It could fit the... Geez.

It could fit the PAIL! There was this gladiator or what show. They had bucket-helmets like those from rugby and they tried to kick each other off of planks (pails) into water or nets or whatever.

And then there's the wrestler thing. It could be two mafia members, but both worth researching I think.

With keywords like... Sledgehammer... Barbaric... Or animalistic?

Again it takes a lot of strength to grab someone by the head...

Wait... I just google image findered Mystlord and what did it drop right off the bat?

Mystlord

Hammer.

Bucket helm.

Even if the post wasn't made by a user called Mystlord. It was dropped to a Mystlord search.

Original Message:

I can post my PM conversation with Zona if you'd like. Something like that would be pretty hard to fake.

Also, keit has strong clues from day 1 connecting to him, has been mostly inactive, and just popped in the thread out of nowhere: not to defend himself, but to point his finger at me.

That screams mafia to me.

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Original Message:
Right, I think night two I am a prime target for a mafia hit, thanks to that postmortem post.

In the end I would love to think you just made an error and took a chance. However, if your communication with Zona (and maybe others?) was deliberate/mafia, nobody will pick-up on that once I get killed. Once again, I wish there was a safe I could lock information in and make it available if I die, just so it does not get lost.

Anyway... why keit?

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Original Message:
That's a fair point. However, killing someone who is confirmed to the entire town as green, because of Bill Murrays post-death post, they might suspect other blues will network through you and hit you for that reason.

Once medics start dying, I'm guessing you'll be a prime suspect.

That being said, I won't ask you to trust me, but I would ask you to reconsider pushing for my lynch. At the very least, I'll submit to you keit is a better and more sure target for the town as of now.
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Original Message:

Again, I think this is wrong: yes, I would have made a good target IF THEY DID NOT KNOW WHO THE DETECTIVE WAS. If they did know, they could sever that trust/information link by just killing him. This is what happened, so I became rather useless. Now, Bill did post after death that I was green, but this should not have happened - it was a violation of the rules. In principle I should have been useless to the town at that point, who cares if I claimed to be green, nobody would have believed me, exactly as the mafia would have intended it. And they could use another hit on someone else with a chance of hitting a blue.

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Original Message:
I suppose that is true. However, you were not hit. You certainly would have made a better target than Abenson if the mafia had reason to suspect you were co ordinating with blues.

Although I do admit it was something I shouldn't have done, I guess I was a bit too trusting there. We're probably both suspicious to the town at this time, since we are the only two people who 100% knew BM was a detective.

That being said, I find it strange you're voting for my lynching on those grounds.
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Original Message:
Its not important if the mafia knows I'm green - that is true.

It IS however important if he knows other greens/blues know it too, because then they would want to stop any coordination and/or information flow. The best situation for the mafia is when greens/blues know nothing and suspect everyone. So if the mafia knows I a in contact with a blue, even if they don't know who the blue is, it DOES make me a target. By killing me they can sever that link and annul any role-check advantage.

So I continue to be puzzled as to why you chose to make that information known to someone who was not role-checked.

Of course, I guess if it was an honest mistake, there is no way to argue /defend it, it just happened.

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Original Message:
hm? I didn't talk to zona much. like I said before, whether or not he knows your green isn't a big deal.
I never told him Bill Murray was the detective or anything like that.

From the way he posts and the way he talked to me, I'm pretty sure he is pro-town, i can't be 100% certain and that is why I didn't reveal any information that would be critical to mafia lynching decisions.
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Original Message:
The thing I still don't get is why you decided to trust Zona without any proof whatsoever.

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Original Message:
I've posted in defense of myself multiple times.

I'd think people would think again before moving to lynch the most active townie, but I suppose not. The mafia really hurt me by killing Bill Murray, even though it was easily detectable that he was a blue from his public posts :/
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Original Message:
There is a growing movement to lynch you next. I would really love to hear your side of things and believe you are green/blue.

Zona noticed that even the air was gradually growing harsh and stifling. He was starting to have difficulty breathing. The thick air stuck to the back of his throat and filled his nostrils, making him feel dizzy and drowsy. He tried to fight the sensation but couldn't and keeled over, unconscious. A man with a scarf wrapped around his face appeared above him, looking perfectly at home in the oppressive atmosphere.

On January 27 2010 12:47 Mystlord wrote:
It's a fair case to lynch DH, but we HAVE to consider the possibility that the DT who clue checked DH is mafia. Earlier, we saw a fair case to lynch DH based off of the thin knife clue brought up by keit, but it never gained traction considering how much steam the kane]deth[ idea had. At this point, a mafia member could have thought to sow the seeds of confusion and make a plot to lynch DH.

At this point, the fact of the matter is that either keit or DoctorHelvetica is innocent. One is absolutely a townie, because we cannot have two people making such great pushes for each other to be lynched as both mafia. Therefore, the possible combinations are: mafia vs townie and townie vs townie. I personally highly doubt a townie vs townie situation because of the fact that by lynching the other, the person pushing for the lynch will almost certainly appear innocent. Therefore, I believe that we have a mafia vs townie situation.

In that line of thinking, confirming the identity of one will confirm the identity of the other. By lynching DH, we'll know keit's true colors, and by lynching keit, we'll know DH's true colors. Therefore, the question now becomes who to lynch?

My personal vote is for keit. Here's my reasoning:

If we lynch DoctorHelvetica, we lose a vital power that will almost certainly confirm whether a person is mafia or not, as well as protect a vital blue or townie (if things get that desperate). Therefore, in this situation, where we're unsure as to the guilt or innocence of either player, we have to make the decision to try and save our powers as best as possible, especially considering the fact that we have lynched no mafia. Therefore, we have a lot more to lose from lynching DoctorHelvetica and finding out that he's green/blue, versus lynching keit and finding out that he's green/blue.

One final point on this. We have to realize that at this point, we for sure for sure have at least two clues on one mafia member. We have 8 clues for 7 mafia, so we're looking for repeating themes. If there's one repeating theme that I've seen, it's almost certainly referring to the cookie monster. Whether it's the apple shoving down the throat from day 1, or the barbarous nature of either the 2nd or 3rd attack from day 2, we've seen a lot more evidence pointing to keit than to DH. Therefore, I again emphasize my vote to lynch keit.

On January 27 2010 13:23 Mystlord wrote:

I still don't see the reasoning behind the fact that keit brought up the clue reference in the first place. If it wasn't for him, DoctorHelvetica would never have been accused. Why would a mafia initiate the charges against DH? It would make sense if DH was already under heavy suspicion and keit become the primary advocate of lynching DH and brought up that clue reference, but that isn't the case here.

However, I do see your point. I still feel that if we lose the incarceration power, we're in some deep shit.

@citi.zen: Yes, I could tell that you would vote to lynch me if DoctorHelvetica flipped red. I know that you won't believe me when I say that my argument is in favor of the town, but it is. Regardless of whether or not you agree, I'd at least like for you to respond to my argument rather than merely brush it off as an attempt to save my own skin. I acknowledge that DoctorHelvetica might be guilty, but I fear rushing into lynching an important townie much more.

Wait a second... If the Sheriff gets lynched, do we have another election to vote for a new Sheriff to replace DH? If so, then my argument is moot.

On January 27 2010 13:37 derfboy wrote:
Ng5's right. this next decision will determine the outcome of the game. we can't afford to go about this hastily.

i think we should double lynch mystlord and flamewheel first. the thick air strongly suggests mystlord (although the spelling is off, i'm sure most people have interpreted myst as mist). the evidence against keit doesn't incriminate him perfectly, but it works to some degree. i don't think we need to lynch him because he isn't active or a major contributor + he doesn't want to play, so he'll probably get modkilled. i don't remember what the flamewheel clue was, but it seems like a lot of people agreed that it pointed to him. if we lynch dochelvetica before all of them and he turns out blue, it would hurt us more. although the thin blade clue from night 1 seems to point to doc, the other clues are just as incriminating imo.

so if we don't get any mafia members in the double lynch, we'll go for dochelvetica, since the next most obvious clue points to him. if dochelvetica turns out red, it'd put us back into the game. if he's actually blue, gg. if we get 1 or 2 mafia in the double lynch, we can still go for dochelvetica if the new clues point to him or if someone provides an impeccable argument incriminating him.

i might be too trusting of DocH, but from what he's contributed, i think he deserves more time to prove himself innocent. also, even if dochelvetica is red, it won't matter that much if we keep him alive for another day or two because he's still a major contributor. if we can interpret what he says for ourselves, he'd still be helping us win. as long as we can lower the KP by interpreting the strongest clues, we'd be heading in the right direction.

On January 27 2010 02:32 citi.zen wrote:


Finally a live one! Any guesses on the above Dr?

On January 27 2010 02:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Clue 2, I don't have any suspect for it.

On January 27 2010 14:06 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
derfboy, why do you suddenly start being active right now to defend DrH, and to instead accuse someone while admitting you don't know why you're accusing them. Seems to me to be not only suspicious, but just plain nonsensical

On January 27 2010 14:06 Mystlord wrote:
So you're going to lynch based on the fact that my name is "close enough" to the word "mist"? I cannot see the logical connection that you're making there. This is what my name is actually referring to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myst

I'm posting that link because it seems that people are stymied as to an alternative interpretation of the first half of my name.

On January 27 2010 14:41 Mystlord wrote:

I'm only advocating a keit lynch because I believed that it would almost certainly reveal who was mafia and who wasn't.

On January 28 2010 08:21 Nikoner wrote:
I'd also like to point out how Phrujbaz said that I should be lynched without giving any further information on his decision.

On January 22 2010 10:57 Nikoner wrote:
Yeah, day ends in 3-4 minutes.

Personally, I think we should lynch Phrujbaz, he beats me 1v1 too much to be an upstanding citizen >

On January 22 2010 21:03 Phrujbaz wrote:
I think we should lynch Nikoner. It's obvious he is Mafia.

On January 28 2010 12:00 Ace wrote:


agreed. Well play Dr.H. It was pretty hard for the town to catch you imo.

On January 28 2010 12:18 dozko wrote:
Well done guys, solid performance on this day. Im keeping my fingers crossed for both our towns to get rid of the scum

On January 28 2010 12:26 dozko wrote:


But if I lived in your town would my remark have made any sense, so as to be speaketh? Well unless I have split personalities I guess...

On January 28 2010 14:51 Mystlord wrote:

Reasoning? I'm interested.

On January 27 2010 06:45 Ng5 wrote:


Wait a minute...

I don't know much about wrestling, but... Someone could look into it. A wrestler! It's usual in wrestling to grab the other's face trying to hit them to solid objects, no? Or some kind of modern-age gladiator 'reality show'? There was also one with... Bucket heads and blunt objects trying to push each other off of planks into water, no? It could fit the... Geez.

It could fit the PAIL! There was this gladiator or what show. They had bucket-helmets like those from rugby and they tried to kick each other off of planks (pails) into water or nets or whatever.

And then there's the wrestler thing. It could be two mafia members, but both worth researching I think.

With keywords like... Sledgehammer... Barbaric... Or animalistic?

Again it takes a lot of strength to grab someone by the head...

Wait... I just google image findered Mystlord and what did it drop right off the bat?

Mystlord

Hammer.

Bucket helm.

Even if the post wasn't made by a user called Mystlord. It was dropped to a Mystlord search.

On January 28 2010 15:30 meeple wrote:


keit?

On January 20 2010 12:24 blue_arrow wrote:
I glanced through everybody's profiles as well, and I can confirm with DH that there are no obvious references to monkeys. Although, I couldn't find anything relating to apples or cooked pigs.

But while scrolling through everyone's profiles, on a completely off-the-side thinking, and continuing with my possibly-incorrect golden monkeys, I'm begining to suspect keit.

Here are my reasons:
-keit has a bunch of pictures of the cookie monster in his profile
-the golden monkey was thought to be a subspecies of Blue Monkey
-the cookie monster has always reminded me of a monkey (albeit tailess, blue, and on crack)
-blue monkeys and golden monkeys eat fruit, possibly referring to apples, although i'm pretty sure apples aren't part of these monkey's normal diets
-the cookie monster eats his food by shoving it down his throat quickly and violently

of course, this is all speculation on my part. Objectively speaking, I myself believe this 'analysis' isn't very convincing given the degree of speculation.

On January 20 2010 12:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The cookie monster isn't a monkey

and he eats cookies not fruit. the cookie monster reminds me more of a retarded bear or something

Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death.

On January 20 2010 12:58 meeple wrote:


I think those types of classifications are too vague... Hyperbola is a math term, so that could be construed as cold and calculating as well.

On January 20 2010 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


Maybe. The apple reference is what stood out to me the most, so I think I just really want to connect that to something. Although it definitely is, something.

The StimiLant/Tea connection seems the most solid to me though.

On January 21 2010 03:34 Hyperbola wrote:
Hello everybody, how's it going. As there are no real viable suspects to lynch yet I have decided to compile some clues I was thinking about:

1. “The killer blocked Kennigit's blade with an apple that had had fallen out of the refrigerator and swiftly proceeded to shove the remains of the apple down Kennigit's throat before throwing him out the window.”

This clue in particular caught my eye. Something of importance along the lines of an apple, forbidden fruit maybe? Anyways... possible suspects:

skronch - Really no other reason than his name. As he does not have any text or images in his profile, his name is the only thing that could be used as a clue. And “skronch” sounds like the sound one makes when eating the apple.

The_Master – A little weak but blocking a knife attack with a fruit and then killing the assailant with it takes a lot of skill. Besides his name, his quote is: “[CPL]Master on team Prodigies!”



2. “Two newcomers strode inside.”

This one I actually have a firm belief on.

Abenson – His profile text.
+ Show Spoiler +

This seems to suggest that he is very new at the game, a newcomer.



3. “With that, he launched himself forward at the three town leaders, lifting his fists and taunting them with strange barbaric noises.”

citi.zen – I don't mean to infringe on anyone's campaign but his quote: Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam. Sounds like someone babbling something nonsensical. I wasn't able to find a translation so correct me if I'm wrong.

StimiLant – Again, not much to work with in his profile. Sounds like the person screaming was using stimulants?



4. “The second Mafia member glared at Qatol in disgust and contempt. "Vile, dirty scum," he muttered, shuddering.”

meeple – This one is a bit of long shot
+ Show Spoiler +
The poem in the profile briefly focuses on an old prostitute that infested the marine's cock.

That's all I got. I think we should really come to a decision soon though.

On January 21 2010 04:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


lol. well, the mayor will go with whoever fits best. I'd say that is hobbes at this point, maybe stimilant.



I think he's trying to add new speculation rather than pontificate on old ones. We've already said about everything there is to say about hobbes/ghote/etc. at this point, so it's good that he is avoiding redundancy.

On January 29 2010 02:32 Jugan wrote:
So let me get this straight. You're basing your accusation of hyperbola on a short post that DrH made in attempt to look like he was analyzing and contributing? There are a multitude of better candidates at the moment than Keit and Hyperbola. You're just aggressively pointing fingers because you think you've got everything figured out, when in reality you're not looking at things objectively. You're just seeing what you want to see.

On January 29 2010 06:04 Qatol wrote:

All night actions go through. So even if a vigilante kills a mafia, the mafia get 3 kills tonight. Similarly, if the mafia kill the vigilante, the vigilante still gets to use his hit, if he is using it tonight.

The other ways (applying hits either town first, mafia first, or according to when they are sent in) are unfair to one side, or unfair to players in certain time zones.

On January 29 2010 10:04 Jugan wrote:


Maybe? He hasn't said anything correct. Just look at his argument. It makes NO RATIONAL SENSE.

On January 29 2010 11:08 CynanMachae wrote:
Was fun, gl town

On January 29 2010 11:13 ohN wrote:
Well since citi.zen was right with the 3 mafia who are now dead, I say we lynch keit and Hyperbola.

CynanMachae was already in bed at this point, having returned home much earlier. However, he was having a hard time falling asleep due to the shouts and clamor of the rest of the townspeople rejoicing in the streets. He stared at his alarm clock and waited with mounting impatience as people gradually stopped shouting outside his house but still kept banging and thumping. Finally, he couldn't take it anymore. He stomped down to his front door and threw it open, yelling, "Go home, you troublemakers!" Instead of the crowd of people he'd expected, however, he saw only a single man on his front lawn, holding a hammer. CynanMachae peered around in puzzlement but didn't notice anything that looked like it had been beaten in. Nevertheless, he glared at the man and took a step outside, preparing to chastise him for making all that noise and keeping him awake. To his surprise, the front step crumbled under his foot and he tumbled forward, his forehead landing squarely on a sharp rock that had been placed there all too conveniently on the ground. As CynanMachae died, he heard the man snicker to himself before he turned and left.

The board is a mirror of the mind of the players as the moments pass. When a master studies the record of a game he can tell at what point greed overtook the pupil, when he became tired, when he fell into stupidity, and when the maid came by with tea.

On January 30 2010 03:56 meeple wrote:
Yeah I just saw that they double lynched a green and a blue. I wonder if the Mafia will win that game... its pretty close. 15-6

On February 01 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


The mafia assumed medics would be protecting you. Our original kill list for day 1 was Bill Murray/you/zona

but, I figured if medics are protecting anyone, it's gonna be citi.zen, let's kill abenson to throw people off and then we can save citi.zen until the medics are gone or we can hit him twice in the same night.

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i suppose. i am an outgoing person, and if that's why i lose, that's fine.

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Can't hurt for you to be a bit more careful with your pm's though.

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i just rolechecked you and you came up as a townie....
so unless you're the godfather, we should stick together

On January 29 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
all I know is finally the clues dont suggest me... considering the last few nights I was expecting tonight to be "his orange, stripy attacker left a great deal of fur and tuna fish behind..."

On January 24 2010 10:38 Phrujbaz wrote:
Jugan asked me in a pm to post what I think of recent events.

First, I'm very sad that we lost a detective early on, through what I think stupid play. What's done is done, but there is still a lesson to be learned. Blues should hide as much from the Mafia as the Mafia is hiding from the town.

Don't do anything suspicious. Be careful who you communicate with in private. Make sure the public knows who you are talking to if something goes wrong.

Second, as for double lynch, there is a decent chance that a new set of clues will allow us to nail at least one Mafia. However, double lynches are usually used when you have solid clues on multiple people. I don't think we have enough to go on to successfully lynch two Mafia. At this point, I think we're more likely to lynch two innocents than two Mafia. I would use double lynch later.

Finally, I think some of you have a too narrow focus. Early clues are always really vague and very loosely connected to the Mafia. They could refer to anyone. Just one example:

First result for "magicbullet" on google is the "magic bullet blender," which is kitchen equipment. What role do the refrigerator and the food references play in the first kill on day 1? Why are they necessary for the story?

Another example, citi.zen's quote is "Aut inveniam viam aut faciam." It's Latin and means "I shall either find a way or make one." How would you describe this sentiment? Perseverance. How would you describe the character in the first kill on day two?

Now I don't mean to say magicbullet and citi.zen are Mafia. I just think it's important to keep an open mind and not become too obsessed with any one reference at this point. Like "I just can't ignore how clue X seems to fit perfectly to person Y." There's a good chance the clue has to be interpreted in a totally different way from what you're thinking.

On January 28 2010 14:35 citi.zen wrote:
Nikoner, Phrujbaz, keit, Hyperbola and Mystlord, please stand up.

GG guys.

On February 01 2010 16:07 Jugan wrote:

Your biggest mistake was leaving me alive. [...] I made 5 out of 7 correct guesses on the mafia. Well played

With a few quick punches and kicks, Abenson was left mangled before his attacker left the lynch site as quietly as he had come.

On February 05 2010 02:12 Qatol wrote:

The problem with this policy is that you are essentially punishing the whole mafia for a few members not having a profile. And because we want the clues to be consistent, the mafia have no way of knowing that it is a problem until the game has already started (and it is thus too late to change anything) because the mafia don't know who their teammates are until the game starts.

Basically, I think we need to start implementing a rule that you don't make it onto the signups list unless you have a useful profile. I specify "useful" because in BC's first game, one of the cluesets was fighting. The problem was there were like 3-4 players whose sig said "XYZ Fighting!" or "XYZ Hwaiting!" and they otherwise had an empty profile. Obviously, we need to require more than that in the future if we want to continue to play games with clues.