I've been thinking, how can we find confirmed innocents to help coordinate town?

Detectives can sort of confirm an innocent with a rolecheck. It could still be the godfather though.

Medics can confirm someone by saving that person.

Are there any other ways?

Phrujbaz

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January 21 2010 20:33 GMT

#599

I just realized that a medic cannot be absolutely sure either. He could save someone from a vigilante hit.

Phrujbaz

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January 22 2010 12:03 GMT

#824

I think we should lynch Nikoner. It's obvious he is Mafia.

Phrujbaz

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January 22 2010 13:21 GMT

#826

I have very good instincts.

Phrujbaz

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January 23 2010 03:37 GMT

#952

wtf...

Phrujbaz

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January 24 2010 01:38 GMT

#1089

Jugan asked me in a pm to post what I think of recent events.

First, I'm very sad that we lost a detective early on, through what I think stupid play. What's done is done, but there is still a lesson to be learned. Blues should hide as much from the Mafia as the Mafia is hiding from the town.

Don't do anything suspicious. Be careful who you communicate with in private. Make sure the public knows who you are talking to if something goes wrong.

Second, as for double lynch, there is a decent chance that a new set of clues will allow us to nail at least one Mafia. However, double lynches are usually used when you have solid clues on multiple people. I don't think we have enough to go on to successfully lynch two Mafia. At this point, I think we're more likely to lynch two innocents than two Mafia. I would use double lynch later.

Finally, I think some of you have a too narrow focus. Early clues are always really vague and very loosely connected to the Mafia. They could refer to anyone. Just one example:

First result for "magicbullet" on google is the "magic bullet blender," which is kitchen equipment. What role do the refrigerator and the food references play in the first kill on day 1? Why are they necessary for the story?

Another example, citi.zen's quote is "Aut inveniam viam aut faciam." It's Latin and means "I shall either find a way or make one." How would you describe this sentiment? Perseverance. How would you describe the character in the first kill on day two?

Now I don't mean to say magicbullet and citi.zen are Mafia. I just think it's important to keep an open mind and not become too obsessed with any one reference at this point. Like "I just can't ignore how clue X seems to fit perfectly to person Y." There's a good chance the clue has to be interpreted in a totally different way from what you're thinking.

Phrujbaz

Netherlands506 Posts

January 25 2010 17:22 GMT

#1298

I remember somebody arguing (ng5?) that it doesn't matter if we could reduce kill power with double lynch or not. If we need to kill three Mafia, it doesn't matter if we first kill two and then one or if we kill one first and then two. I think that logic is wrong.

First you have to remember that our double lynches are limited. That alone means we should only use one if we really think we can lynch two Mafia. Furthermore, there is always the risk of lynching two innocents. If we cannot reduce kill power right away it doesn't make sense to use double lynch already. We don't lose anything by waiting a day in that case. And we gain more information, leading to better informed lynches.

We NEVER gain anything by using double lynch on a day where even killing two Mafia wouldn't reduce kill power.

What does complicate things is that we cannot vote double lynch into place for today's lynch. It's always for the day after. So we have to think ahead a little. If we have a 100% confirmed Mafia, then we know that tomorrow there will be one less Mafia. That means we might want to use double lynch tomorrow, which means we have to vote for it today.

When would we have such a situation? I think we need three Mafia suspects, at least one of which is very solid. We lynch the solid Mafia today, vote for double lynch, and have the potential to kill two more Mafia the next day (we'd even have more clues than we do today).

I don't think we should use double lynch yet. I don't know how you guys are feeling but I'm not very confident in anyone being Mafia. AT ALL

Phrujbaz

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January 29 2010 09:39 GMT

#1683

To be honest I think the biggest clue incriminating me is the tea reference and the fact DrH responded to it. I really don't see any connection to me in the "weaker than I would like" post you bolded citizen.

I think you've simply decided me and Nikoner are Mafia and are desperate to find clue links. Is that right?

I agree about keit and hyperbola, though.

Phrujbaz

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January 29 2010 17:14 GMT

#1691

how was citi.zen confirmed innocent by the way?

Phrujbaz

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February 01 2010 15:54 GMT

#1783

I facepalmed the instant I read DrH's defense of me in the tea clue. I knew I was going to be dead the instant DrH got caught.

Phrujbaz

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February 02 2010 09:28 GMT

#1828

So when is the regame?

Phrujbaz

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February 02 2010 23:14 GMT

#1832

yes what Qatol said.

rematch?

hopefully the mods don't have midterm

Phrujbaz

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February 04 2010 08:30 GMT

#1858

In this game I wanted to do some misdirection with the clues, but it was so hard to find other players to convincingly match the clues to. Whenever I could successfully misdirect a clue from who I thought it referred to, to someone else, that other person was Mafia too. I already suspected that the Mafia were chosen for their profiles.

I think you should force all the people to fill their profiles before roles are given out. ^_^ Gives Mafia a lot more opportunity to influence the game.

Phrujbaz

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February 04 2010 14:37 GMT

#1861

In Chuiu's first game he said something like "fill out your profile, because if you're Mafia and all I have is your username, expect the clues to be easy."

I thought that was a great way to motivate people. If you're Mafia, and you don't have a profile, you'll just get a clue to your username that's dead obvious if need be.