Incognito's TL Mafia XVI

On January 20 2010 16:07 Mystlord wrote:
@Zona - Well, the only real clue that can be construed from outside of the killing scene is the fact that it says

Perhaps indicating that the two mafia members are part of the new players to the game, so that could narrow down our search considerably in that area.

On January 21 2010 07:07 Nikoner wrote:


But what if you got elected mayor? Think of the possibilites.

With regards to the "no lynch issue", since it's mostly agreed that our most stable suspicions are a bit of a mist in the wind at the moment, we should start lynching off the inactive/silent members first, as mafia members can easily sneak in their ranks to hide their identity for, basically, free. There shouldn't be a no-lynch day imo.

On January 21 2010 12:23 Abenson wrote:
I'm so confused right now....
The clues don't seem to tell anything in the Day 1 post... D;
Anyways....
I think that we should stick with hard facts for now, and I really think T_co is extremely suspicious like most of you, but I think we should observe before doing anything rash.

On January 21 2010 12:16 citi.zen wrote:
I think we can't go wrong lynching t_co: if he is guilty, we have many leads to investigate and gain a huge advantage. If he turns out to have been innocent after we killed him, then all those guys are exonerated. So one way or another, lynching him brings some clarity.

On January 21 2010 14:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol what

what do you mean a free pass. I voted for him because he was inactive. I'm not voting for you because your arguments are stupid and you're pointing fingers all over the fucking place.

Voting for meeple does not mean I support him 100% and he is my best friend. I voted for him because he has been objective and had a cool attitude, in opposition to you who has been very aggressive.

On January 21 2010 14:34 t_co wrote:
Given that logic, the best thing then would be to lynch me if this aggression is detrimental to the town. And I fully agree--because then it would cast a more certain eye toward who the real mafia were.

On January 21 2010 22:37 meeple wrote:
True, it could be a charade from the beginning... if he's got time to make a banner like that, programming something shouldn't be out of his league.

On January 22 2010 02:49 789 wrote:
Well, I will explain my reasoning on my vote, take it as you may, believe me or not. I'm trying to consider worse case scenarios for mafia getting elected to positions. Keep in mind, I'm not accusing anyone of being mafia through this. At this point I can pretty confidently say I don't think t_co and doctorH are both mafia. If t_co is elected the worst case is the mafia gets 1 of the positions. I consider it more likely doctorH and meeple are on the same side (either townies or mafia) compared to t_co and doctorH. So if doctorH and meeple are both elected any of the 3 combinations is possible, 2 townies, 1 of each, and 2 mafia. I'm trying to ride the fence and get at least 1 townie into one of the elected positions. So I went with t_co as I believe it gives the best chance of getting at least 1.

I think my reasoning there is decently sound. I could be wrong. At this point if I changed my vote off t_co it would be suspicious anyway.

On January 22 2010 02:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What I don't understand is why do any of us have to be mafia?

if t_co turns green that doesn't really mean anything about me or meeple. It's pretty obvious the "alliance" between me and meeple is completely fabricated. None of us ever attacked him early on, he started making a fuss all by himself and pointing fingers with pretty much no ground under it.

All that means is that if he's mafia, his role was obviously to divide the town/cause distrust. If he isn't mafia then he's just causing trouble (which benefits the mafia in the end)

I could just say "oh if I die and turn green, that means Ng5 is red" but it doesn't.

On January 22 2010 02:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Has anyone considered the whole possibility that the mafia doesn't even have a candidate?

We've been going on this whole shitstorm assuming someone running for office is red.

The mafia could see that and just think "well wouldn't it really fuck with them if none of us ran? They'll tear each other apart and probably end up lynching their elected candidates"

That's kind what is happening too.

On January 23 2010 12:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Jugan can confirm it. I'm not saying I suspect him of being mafia either. I'm just saying besides myself, I know for sure Bill Murray was in contact with citi.zen and jugan.

On January 23 2010 12:40 citi.zen wrote:
For what its worth, I will confirm that, right or wrong, Bill did trust me, Jugan and Dr.H.

He thought Jugan had to be in the clear since he told Bill "I hope I'm not the miller". I have no idea why this would be evidence for anything, or why in general he would trust anyone he did not role-check.

On January 23 2010 12:46 meeple wrote:
And how are we supposed to trust these pms? Jugan already denied his

On January 24 2010 04:52 ghote wrote:
super luck, unless he reveled it to someone in a pm, but i see no reason why he would do such a thing , most likely a lucky guess

On January 24 2010 05:32 Incognito wrote:


bodyguards don't know who each other are, but they do know that they are bodyguards.

On January 25 2010 02:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


I also feel it fits flamewheel91 a lot more than you.

I'm a bit inbetween voting for kane/flamewheel/keit atm.

On January 25 2010 07:08 789 wrote:


At the same time, if blue_arrow ran at near olympic speeds and still wasn't able to get away...

On January 25 2010 07:16 Ng5 wrote:
And this is why knowing the distance of the runner could actually help.

On January 25 2010 07:34 Ng5 wrote:


If you are hellbent on misinterpreting my posts...

On January 26 2010 12:59 JohannesH wrote:
I suggest you take citi.zen in for protection. Hes the one to trust and protect the most.

And if you incarcerate someone when mafia is 1 person away from losing kill power, you get 100% sure indication if hes a part of mafia. That might be equally useful for confirming/revealing an active townie like meeple, or just making sure of a suspicious person.

If detectives have succesfully rolechecked a mafia, or clarified a lynching candidate to be green, I suggest you pm that to citi.zen. Well mafia might do that too but it could backfire so easily on them.

On January 26 2010 14:26 JohannesH wrote:

You could say that about anyone no? And we have medics too, in any case.

On January 28 2010 10:17 Mystlord wrote:

Sorry for the late reply. I was at school and then I took a nap :3.

Initially I wanted to lynch keit because I feared losing the incarceration power, but then I went back, read my post, and realized that I pretty much failed to take into account the possibility that keit was a blue. Now while it's unlikely that a blue would spearhead the attack, the PM confirmed my suspicion that keit was acting like a maverick, whether he is mafia or town. Anyway, if keit is blue, then that would really explode my argument on DoctorHelvetica 3 times over, considering that I went back to the first post and realized that you can only use the incarceration power twice (thought it was like the medic power - daily use).

Now directly addressing your question citi.zen, I felt that lynching keit would confirm 1) whether DH was town or mafia (which several people pointed out was false. I'm personally on a fence now.) 2) The motivation behind his posting, which I found to be rather suspicious. When I went back and looked through keit's posts, I found that keit generally had inconsistent play. Initially, he voted for DoctorHelvetica just out of the blue. No explanation at all in the thread. Then he voted for restraint on day 2, while a lot of people were pushing for a kane]deth[ lynch. On day 3 (or the end of day 2), he brought up the scalpel clue which led to the beginning of the movement to lynch DH. Now that to me was just strange. I didn't really get why keit would vote DH, then pretty much work against him for the entirety of the game. That, combined with my logic that both keit nor DH could be mafia, led me to go for a keit lynch because I was certain that lynching keit would confirm or deny DH's innocence, but that wasn't the case.

Regardless, I have to go get ready for an interivew. I'm not voting to lynch keit anymore, and if DH flips red (which I'm almost certain he will at this point, especially adding in the fact that he retracted his vote for the double lynch), then I know that I'll be the next one on the list regardless of whatever I try to say, so whatever guys. It's been nice playing with you.

On January 28 2010 14:35 citi.zen wrote:
Nikoner, Phrujbaz, keit, Hyperbola and Mystlord, please stand up.

GG guys.

On January 28 2010 16:45 CynanMachae wrote:
Ahhh I knew it made more sense like this lol.

And while we're at it:
1 of 1 Sheriff remains

I think we are down to 0 :o

On January 29 2010 03:17 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Hyperbola has been inactive the entire game, losing him wouldn't really be a problem even if he was green. If he is blue and laying low, he can go to citizen, who is proven not mafia, and explain the situation.

On January 29 2010 03:22 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:


saying citizen is fucking nuts would be a much better argument if he hadn't just killed the ringleader of the mafia. maybe a little overzealous at this point, but he's a valuable asset as the only proven innocent player

On January 29 2010 03:26 keit wrote:
ahahahah, so much drama. hope you didn't take my post seriously, or should you? xD

On January 29 2010 03:29 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:


He did nothing except bring up the idea of lynching him... that's really not a lot... and organize everyone to get DrH lynched... clearly thats nothing either. You've become rather abnormally hostile since DH died.

On January 29 2010 06:08 CynanMachae wrote:
Jugan, do you have better suspects than those citi.zen pointed? Maybe he hasn't said it the most correct way but it does seems to me that they are likely mafia.

On January 31 2010 11:45 citi.zen wrote:
Sooo.... our shortlist for the last two:

Phrujbaz in pole-position for the first one
Jugan, derfboy... or a maybe for Nikoner

Should we use the vigilante on Phrujbaz and lynch jugan and derfboy next day?

On February 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Basically, what I wanted to do was use my position as sheriff to gain the trust of the town while pushing suspicion on to t_co/meeple/hobbes. I was not pleased that t_co was lynched the first day, because that may have made me look a bit divisive.

Killing BM the first day was also a mistake. By leaving him alive, he would have trusted me more and I could have networked even more blues through him. Then the mafia could start hitting blues in groups and the town would probably suspect me but it would probably be something I could argue my way out of.

I immediately regretted posting "a DT roleclaimed to me", at the time I wasn't planning to hit BM but I changed my mind stupidly. By saying a DT roleclaimed to me and then a DT dies the next day, is pretty incriminating.

I actually think the biggest thing that hurt the mafia was bill murrays after death post, confirming citi.zen as green. That gave the blues an alternative way to network, through citi.zen, that cost us the game as I lost his trust. I felt like citi.zens trust in me started slipping fast after Bill Murray was killed, and obviously that was the case.

Our plan was to get the town to use a double lynch asap and to get them to knock off hobbes and flamewheel. By getting the town to waste their double lynches, the mafia could last longer and once the mafia are just under 50% of the town our plan was to all vote the same way and for me to manipulate Jugan, who trusted me quite blindly, into wasting his vote. This way, no matter what happened in the thread, there was nothing that the town could do to change the results of the lynches.

keit pointing his finger at me out of the blue was a shock to the rest of the mafia. However, I pushed way too aggressively for his lynching and it made me seem inconsistent. I panicked and made a bad decision, although keit really shouldn't have done that :x