Incognito's TL Mafia XVI

On January 20 2010 12:34 meeple wrote:


Hmmm... that is somewhat suspicious... if it can be linked to one of the other clues that would be fairly strong

On January 20 2010 12:40 meeple wrote:
If anyone knows alternate meanings of names that could be of significance, you should state them. Just in case other people don't know them. For example:

Ng5 could be construed as a chess movement reference

On January 20 2010 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


If that would put Ng5 under suspicion, then what about ghote? I google the name after seeing the beatle lyrics in his profile (possible reference to Apple) and Ghote is a detective in a series of novels. A detective would have that sort of calculating/cold nature, and there is also the possibility of the apple reference pointing to him.

On January 20 2010 12:58 meeple wrote:


I think those types of classifications are too vague... Hyperbola is a math term, so that could be construed as cold and calculating as well.

On January 20 2010 13:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


oh wow what was I thinking

the apple connection is a bit less far-fetched, so if i were to suspect ghote of being mafia, it would be over that and not his name being an obscure reference to an indian mystery novel series

On January 21 2010 14:43 t_co wrote:

And now he doesn't even post; that's very strange. If he's so objective and has such a cool attitude, then why isn't he coming into the thread to calm everyone down? If he wants to lead the town he should at least do it now.

On January 21 2010 14:50 t_co wrote:


He's been inactive for at least the past 14 hours.

On January 21 2010 15:01 flamewheel91 wrote:
...in America!

On January 21 2010 15:02 t_co wrote:


Yeah and Canada spans 5 time zones. So it could be 9 PM through 1 AM. ROFL

On January 22 2010 03:07 Bill Murray wrote:
hobbes you have moved down to lynch victim number #2->#5 somewhere in there.
you should be happy, if anything, considering what was being said about you in the first half day.

On January 22 2010 03:15 Bill Murray wrote:
i hope i'm not the miller

On January 22 2010 11:09 meeple wrote:
Back on track?... we just snapped the neck of one of our own people...

On January 22 2010 11:16 meeple wrote:
Are all games of Mafia this intense? When I played in high school this was fun... now it seems personal

On January 25 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


What a game huh?

Watched it at the local sports bar. Unbelievable.

On January 26 2010 06:42 citi.zen wrote:
There are way too many inactive players, who barely do anything but the bare minimum not to get mod killed. Given the size of this group, it makes perfect sense for the mafia to hide in that bunch, as Ser Aspi said already. I say in the future we pick some people in that inactive group, based on whatever clues we can gather.

I still like Hobbes and keit for example. They are the best fit for the night 1 killed 1, and they certainly don't seem interested in solving this thing or contributing. When accused, they quickly sprung to action, then faded back into the crowd.

Just my 2c.

On January 26 2010 11:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Wow. Losing two active townies is really going to hurt. Thank goodness no blues were hit though.

From glancing over the clues, the only thing I'm sure of now is that keit is mafia. Not only do the day 1 clues reference him, but the barbaric nature of the third attack as well as the attacker searching for food in the corpses pockets is a clear reference to the cookie monster.

His behavior has been somewhat suspicious as well.

The first attacker seems stealthy, quick, and vicious. Perhaps like a tiger? Every day, there is something putting at least a little bit of suspicion on Hobbes.

On January 27 2010 12:47 Mystlord wrote:
It's a fair case to lynch DH, but we HAVE to consider the possibility that the DT who clue checked DH is mafia. Earlier, we saw a fair case to lynch DH based off of the thin knife clue brought up by keit, but it never gained traction considering how much steam the kane]deth[ idea had. At this point, a mafia member could have thought to sow the seeds of confusion and make a plot to lynch DH.

At this point, the fact of the matter is that either keit or DoctorHelvetica is innocent. One is absolutely a townie, because we cannot have two people making such great pushes for each other to be lynched as both mafia. Therefore, the possible combinations are: mafia vs townie and townie vs townie. I personally highly doubt a townie vs townie situation because of the fact that by lynching the other, the person pushing for the lynch will almost certainly appear innocent. Therefore, I believe that we have a mafia vs townie situation.

In that line of thinking, confirming the identity of one will confirm the identity of the other. By lynching DH, we'll know keit's true colors, and by lynching keit, we'll know DH's true colors. Therefore, the question now becomes who to lynch?

My personal vote is for keit. Here's my reasoning:

If we lynch DoctorHelvetica, we lose a vital power that will almost certainly confirm whether a person is mafia or not, as well as protect a vital blue or townie (if things get that desperate). Therefore, in this situation, where we're unsure as to the guilt or innocence of either player, we have to make the decision to try and save our powers as best as possible, especially considering the fact that we have lynched no mafia. Therefore, we have a lot more to lose from lynching DoctorHelvetica and finding out that he's green/blue, versus lynching keit and finding out that he's green/blue.

One final point on this. We have to realize that at this point, we for sure for sure have at least two clues on one mafia member. We have 8 clues for 7 mafia, so we're looking for repeating themes. If there's one repeating theme that I've seen, it's almost certainly referring to the cookie monster. Whether it's the apple shoving down the throat from day 1, or the barbarous nature of either the 2nd or 3rd attack from day 2, we've seen a lot more evidence pointing to keit than to DH. Therefore, I again emphasize my vote to lynch keit.

On January 27 2010 13:53 derfboy wrote:


whoops. i really had no idea there was that rule. sorry. hope that doesn't entail getting modkilled

On January 27 2010 14:06 Mystlord wrote:
So you're going to lynch based on the fact that my name is "close enough" to the word "mist"? I cannot see the logical connection that you're making there. This is what my name is actually referring to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myst

I'm posting that link because it seems that people are stymied as to an alternative interpretation of the first half of my name.

On January 27 2010 14:23 Mystlord wrote:

1. Fair enough, I'm just posting this here to let you know this for the future.

2. Also fair, but Myst is (was) a fairly popular game, so I wouldn't be surprised if the cluemakers knew of it. In fact, I would definitely not say that they would interpret my name as such if they cannot figure out what it means.

I only ask that you not be so closed-minded and at least recognize the fact that there's a possibility that I'm a townie.

In fact, if a DT is free tonight, I would consider it logical to clue check the 2nd killing. You might consider it a selfish act, but feel free to not clue check it if you have more pressing concerns.

On January 29 2010 03:21 Jugan wrote:


Yeah except that

1) citizen is fucking nuts and won't even listen at all.
2) If he is "inactive"... there are better targets. If he is "laying low"... there are better targets. [insert bad excuse to lynch hyperbola here]... there are better targets.

On January 29 2010 03:26 Jugan wrote:


Lol excuse me? He KILLED the ringleader? LOL that's a good fucking joke. HE did nothing.

On January 29 2010 10:05 Jugan wrote:
The sheep in this game are amazing.

On January 29 2010 11:05 citi.zen wrote:


Yeah, Mystlord wasn't even a little bit guilty. Damn sheep. And Donkey. And other farm animals.

On January 31 2010 13:11 Jugan wrote:


lynch me because you're an idiot.

On February 01 2010 12:39 citi.zen wrote:
Yes, poor Hobbes, this post was awesome:

On February 01 2010 16:07 Jugan wrote:


Your biggest mistake was leaving me alive. Bill also confided in me... You gave me enough time to convince meeples, hobbes, flamewheel, and several other people you were mafia. I brought it up to citi.zen too, but he wasn't too receptive to the idea at the time and accused me of being mafia (as I begun my work behind the scenes after you murdered Bill).

I knew exactly who Bill had confided in... your actions (via posts) were all too obvious to me: I could read right through them, given the information I held. I picked out most of your mafia too, but I didn't want to move too rashly in case you decided to off me

I had suspected Mystlord from the beginning, and I deduced that keit was mafia through the series of PM exchanges with him. I don't know if he told you about those or not. However, I was wrong in thinking tredmasta was mafia. I made 5 out of 7 correct guesses on the mafia. Well played

On February 01 2010 17:34 flamewheel91 wrote:


Dude, he totally just did. Man he's such a pro. Clearly the game was lost without his constant snarking.

On February 01 2010 22:54 Qatol wrote:

I think you're overlooking the real reason the elected roles are in the game: to promote discussion early on, specifically on day 1. At that point, there are no night kills to analyze and the day 1 clues are generally pretty close to impossible to figure out on their own (props, Cynan). And because more posting forces the mafia to be active, I argue that the election itself is the perk for the town. Though I agree that the mafia get more use out of the roles themselves than the town does.

On February 01 2010 23:07 Zona wrote:
And I was total garbage as to clue interpreting. I didn't even notice the DrH/scalpel thing until meeples pointed it out to me by PM.

On February 02 2010 01:07 citi.zen wrote:


That was a very good post for a mafia I thought. Vague, but also somewhat reasonable (unlike others). What I am curious is: what was your conversation with Jugan about? Did you have him convinced you were innocent?

On February 02 2010 02:08 Zona wrote:

Stuff like this makes me wonder if mafia would be more successful if they brainwashed themselves into not remember who their teammates are...

On February 02 2010 02:42 789 wrote:
The only problem would be if the mafia start hitting eachother haha.

On February 02 2010 05:27 citi.zen wrote:
I just have to put this up there, it is just too entertaining:





+ Show Spoiler +

On February 04 2010 12:14 citi.zen wrote:
In this particular game we caught 6/7 mafia yet we misinterpreted clues all the way to the end. Just ask poor Hobbes. + Show Spoiler +

On February 06 2010 03:58 Incognito wrote:


Hmm I think in one of Pyrr's games he made it mandatory that people include at least a picture and a quote in their profiles. I think it was the smurf game. The concept worked fairly well I think. If the quote and picture are substantial you can work a lot from those.



I could host again but I think DoctorHelvetica was interested in hosting the next game. Once we get the details figured out we'll let you all know.