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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 18:00 GMT
#561
^ kind of what is happening
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 18:06 GMT
#566
That's fair, and yet another area where t_co's arguments falter.

Perhaps we should all cool down and worry about the mayors lynch and perhaps speculate as to who the mafia might kill? That could be a great help to anyone who is a medic
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 18:14 GMT
#576
Why don't we have a DT do a clue check pointing on hobbes?

There is the problem of how the DT will communicate that result though ; /
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 18:19 GMT
#580
On January 22 2010 03:16 meeple wrote:
That's difficult... any person can just "say" they're a dt


Yeah. Well, if a DT roleclaims and then paints Hobbes or someone else based on a clue/role-check and it flips a different color, then we know that DT is probably mafia trying to spread misinformation and we can lynch them.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 18:26 GMT
#585
On January 22 2010 03:19 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2010 02:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Has anyone considered the whole possibility that the mafia doesn't even have a candidate?

We've been going on this whole shitstorm assuming someone running for office is red.

The mafia could see that and just think "well wouldn't it really fuck with them if none of us ran? They'll tear each other apart and probably end up lynching their elected candidates"

That's kind what is happening too.


Well, the mayor or sheriff cannot be role checked by a detective. Also, they can put people in jail (to silence or protect them) and they get extra votes. So it seems pretty valuable for the mob to have elected official(s).

Running with "mob support" could be easier if you can build some sort of critical mass + confusion and wait for people to bandwagon. I am not saying that is what happened, just that it would be worth a shot, if you were the mob.

Finally, removing non-mob officials from office is hard for the mob initially, because the bodyguards are alive. So if they do not get elected, the mob could have to live with an "honest" official for a while.

Just a few thoughts. Of course, there is a chance I am wrong and they were indeed very patient.


Right. I'm just proposing the possibility, we should consider everything before jumping to conclusions.

Personally, I think it's likely that at least one of the candidates is mafia. Which includes:

Myself
t_co
Meeple
citi.zen
Nikoner
Ng5
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 18:26 GMT
#586
did we have any other candidates?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 20:18 GMT
#593
On January 22 2010 05:13 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2010 05:11 Phrujbaz wrote:
I've been thinking, how can we find confirmed innocents to help coordinate town?

Detectives can sort of confirm an innocent with a rolecheck. It could still be the godfather though.

Medics can confirm someone by saving that person.

Are there any other ways?


Good questions but not sure I have any answers. For example, the medic could inadvertently save a lynched mobster, no?


Medics can't save anyone from being lynched.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 21 2010 23:45 GMT
#621
Let's wait until day 2 to decide if we're going to use a double lynch or not.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 00:58 GMT
#636
On January 22 2010 09:46 Mystlord wrote:
I think it's in our best interests to not let t_co become mayor or sheriff. His arguments are incoherent and shaky at best, and we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we elected someone who probably won't follow the public opinion on who to lynch.

At the very least, even if we don't lynch t_co, do not let him go into office. I highly doubt there is any sort of alliance between meeple and DrH. It seems to merely be a straw man argument that everyone has bought into.


This is exactly how I feel.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 01:04 GMT
#640
On January 22 2010 09:32 Zona wrote:
t_co is a relatively open book, if he is a mafia. Right now the low-key mafia is of bigger concern to me - we have a few more days to lynch t_co if he becomes a problem, before his power becomes dominant. (And yes I do agree that the triple vote is more powerful, in fact I was the first person to express this sentiment.)

Right now I want to make sure we don't all easily agree with each other day 2, and so far for whatever reason DrH and meeple buy each others' arguments.


Buy eachothers arguments that what? What argument are we both making that we agree with?

We started off disagreeing on who was most suspicious based on the clues. We agree that t_co shouldn't be mayor and we agree that there is no connection between us.

I bet you and I would also agree that we are not part of a secret mafia team. That doesn't mean anything.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 01:20 GMT
#653
I don't think what t_co is doing is valuable at all. he isn't rationally disagreeing. What is he disagreeing with?

t_co's actions:

1. runs for elected positions
2. votes for himself which he can't do
3. starts losing, then accuses me and meeple of being mafia and allied
4. says we shouldn't lynch anyone day 1
5. urges the town to lynch the mayor no matter who it is
6. again pushes the doctorhelvetica/meeple alliance
7. can provide zero evidence of said alliance
8. says we should lynch people at random

What is this doing besides confusing and disrupting? Here is an example of positive disagreement.

Player X: I think these clues point toward Player A being mafia?
Player Y: I disagree, I think the clues fit Player B more.

That isn't what t_co has been doing. He's been changing his arguments multiple times. He has said twice not to lynch anyone day 1, even after being informed that the mayor HAS to lynch someone, says he hasn't been called for anyone to be lynched after saying that the town needs to lynch the mayor, and points fingers with no basis for his accusations.

I know it seems like all the town is on one side, but that isn't the case. We've been having rational disagreements on who the mayor should lynch from day 1, who the clues point to, and what information we can get from various lynchings. That is the kind of disagreement that will help the town move forward.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 01:20 GMT
#654
Also, I think faronel voted for t_co initially for the same reason a lot of people did. He made a banner and appeared to put the most effort into his campaign.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 01:21 GMT
#655
Pretty much everyone has voted at this point, so let me post the voting list since people seem to be using that a bit right now:

Abenson - Voted for Meeple
Ghote- Voted for Meeple
StimiLant - Voted for t_co
Bill Murray - Voted for citi.zen, changed to meeple
magicbullet - Voted for t_co
789 - Voted for t_co, changed to DoctorHelvetica, changed back to t_co, then abstained
flamewheel91 - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
CynanMachae - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Keit - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Faronel - Voted for t_co
DoctorHelvetica - Voted for meeple
citi.zen - Voted for DoctorHelvetica, changed to meeple
tredmasta - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
derfboy - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
[NyC]Hobbes - Voted for meeple
Ser Aspi - Voted for t_co
meeple - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Jayme - Voted for meeple
Zona - Voted for meeple, changed to t_co, changed to abstain
Hyperbola - Voted for citi.zen
kane]deth[ - Voted for t_co
The_Master - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Mystlord - Voted for meeple
Fallen_arK - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
Jugan - Voted for DoctorHelvetica, changed to meeple
dinmsab - Voted for DoctorHelvetica
skronch - Voted for t_co, edited to DoctorHelvetica
Nikoner - Voted for t_co, changed to DoctorHelvetica
Ng5 - Abstained from voting
Phrujbaz - Voted for t_co
t_co - Abstained from voting

RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 01:22 GMT
#657
^correction

t_co - Voted for self, discounted, chose to abstain
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 01:25 GMT
#660
We don't learn anything at all by lynching faronel. He seems likely to just be an inactive townie who threw his support behind t_co cause he made a pretty banner.

If we're not going to lynch t_co, lynch Hobbes since at least he is connected to clues.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 01:28 GMT
#664
correct me please, i may have misplaced some things with my bad memory
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 01:32 GMT
#670
On January 22 2010 10:29 meeple wrote:
It's getting down to the wire guys... can everyone please put their choice and perhaps a short blurb describing why?


t_co - If he is Mafia, then that puts faronel under suspicion, not the other way around. If he isn't mafia, it gives us some new perspective. Regardless, his irrational arguments and accusations have done nothing but divide and hurt the town.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 01:36 GMT
#676
Wouldn't they have 3 kp even with 5?

2.5 rounded up is 3
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 01:37 GMT
#677
On January 22 2010 10:36 Nikoner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2010 10:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
correct me please, i may have misplaced some things with my bad memory


Well, it's not that the list is incorrect, the thing is that at the bottom of page 3, after two consecutive votes for t_co, by Ser Aspi and me respectively, 789 was quick to change his vote to t_co, who at that point looked like he might get into office if the bandwagon kept going.


ah ^^
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 22 2010 01:38 GMT
#681
t_co doesn't contribute anything
RIP Aaliyah
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