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On January 21 2010 11:27 Zona wrote:
no, the mafia won't automatically kill anyone who has the best suspicions - that can help strengthen whatever suspicions that player posted.
Of course, the take it a level beyond, maybe the mafia will kill anyone with the best suspicions, because we as a town don't assume they will kill whoever has the best suspicions.
But yes, that t_co thing is fishy. I am in favor of lynching him, since at this point we don't necessarily have any better targets.
The Mafia, with 3 kill power, can merely kill people of all different sentiments to make it unclear who may have been right or wrong.
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I thought there was no running for sheriff or mayor. You run for an elected position, the person with the first most votes gets Sheriff and the person with the second most gets Mayor.
It says in the op, mayor wins second place in "the election" and sheriff wins first. So there is no running for anything specific : /
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like i said before, voting history probably won't be very important until we have reason to believe a mayor/sheriff is mafia
there are too many reasons why someone could change their vote or vote in the first place, it just isn't ground to start painting people red over.
now, I think Bill Murray's comment can be explained by the fact that meeple announced his candidacy very quietly in the vote thread whereas everyone else made a much bigger deal of it.
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On January 21 2010 12:29 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 12:23 Abenson wrote:
I'm so confused right now....
The clues don't seem to tell anything in the Day 1 post... D;
Anyways....
I think that we should stick with hard facts for now, and I really think T_co is extremely suspicious like most of you, but I think we should observe before doing anything rash.
The fact is we must lynch someone, these are the rules. It is simply a matter of who is the best candidate.
Exactly.
Also, when does the day end? 9pm est tomorrow?
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We don't vote to lynch until day 2. However, the mayor chooses someone to be lynched tonight after the election.
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They are important to note, but I don't see how we could serious guess who is mafia and who isn't based on vote histories alone for the following reasons:
1. The mafia probably won't go all-in on one candidate. More than likely they will spread their votes to cause confusion. Meaning if we find out that a mafia voted for someone that isn't really a good indicator that they were a mafia candidate.
2. If all candidates appear to be innocent, then their voting histories aren't very telling. However, if we have other reasons to believe they might be mafia, then their voter histories will become important.
3. If one of the candidates is mafia, that doesn't incriminate everyone who voted for them, rather we should compare those voters to all the clues and scrutinize their posting histories.
However, at the moment, I don't see much information being gleaned from voting history. I do, however, see potential information being gleaned from it.
On January 21 2010 12:27 Incognito wrote:
Vote update:
meeple: (8)
Abenson
DoctorHelvetica
BillMurray
citi.zen
[NyC]HoBbes
Jayme
Zona
Mystlord
citi.zen: (1)
Bill Murray
Hyperbola
t_co: (4)
magicbullet
789
Faronel
StimiLant
kane]deth[
DoctorHelvetica: (13)
789
meeple
flamewheel91
CynanMachae
keit
citi.zen
tredmasta
derfboy
Ser Aspi
meeple
The_Master
Fallen_Ark
Jugan
dinmsab
If anything is wrong here, please let me know.
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I didn't say I'd do anything to keep you out of office. You have been trying to paint me red by fabricating an "alliance" between me and meeple which, truthfully, does not exist.
Actually, I would vote to lynch Hobbes over you since he at least has connection to the clues. Do I trust you? No. Am I hellbent on getting you lynched? Not even.
Because some people in the town agree or trust eachother you're trying to point fingers already and you're being extremely aggressive about it.
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On January 21 2010 12:45 t_co wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 12:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:They are important to note, but I don't see how we could serious guess who is mafia and who isn't based on vote histories alone for the following reasons: 1. The mafia probably won't go all-in on one candidate. More than likely they will spread their votes to cause confusion. Meaning if we find out that a mafia voted for someone that isn't really a good indicator that they were a mafia candidate. 2. If all candidates appear to be innocent, then their voting histories aren't very telling. However, if we have other reasons to believe they might be mafia, then their voter histories will become important. 3. If one of the candidates is mafia, that doesn't incriminate everyone who voted for them, rather we should compare those voters to all the clues and scrutinize their posting histories. However, at the moment, I don't see much information being gleaned from voting history. I do, however, see potential information being gleaned from it. On January 21 2010 12:27 Incognito wrote:
Vote update:
meeple: (8)
Abenson
DoctorHelvetica
BillMurray
citi.zen
[NyC]HoBbes
Jayme
Zona
Mystlord
citi.zen: (1)
Bill Murray
Hyperbola
t_co: (4)
magicbullet
789
Faronel
StimiLant
kane]deth[
DoctorHelvetica: (13)
789
meeple
flamewheel91
CynanMachae
keit
citi.zen
tredmasta
derfboy
Ser Aspi
meeple
The_Master
Fallen_Ark
Jugan
dinmsab
If anything is wrong here, please let me know. Note that what DoctorH is basically saying here is that he and meeple will scrutinize anyone who votes for me. This is politicking at its best and shows that they are the real ones who are trying to split the town.
Note that that is complete bullshit and what I'm saying is that we should not scrutinize voters until we have good information on one of the candidates that points toward them being mafia. I don't think we should lynch anyone who doesn't have a clue pointing toward them at least.
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On January 21 2010 12:44 t_co wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 12:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 21 2010 12:29 citi.zen wrote:On January 21 2010 12:23 Abenson wrote:
I'm so confused right now....
The clues don't seem to tell anything in the Day 1 post... D;
Anyways....
I think that we should stick with hard facts for now, and I really think T_co is extremely suspicious like most of you, but I think we should observe before doing anything rash.
The fact is we must lynch someone, these are the rules. It is simply a matter of who is the best candidate. Exactly. Also, when does the day end? 9pm est tomorrow? I find it highly suspicious that meeple/DoctorH/Bill/citi.zen are cross-referencing and cross-posting each other so much. Note that they all began to cross-post (and offer each other support) right after the role PMs were announced, implying that they began the game trusting each other. WHY? Why would they do that? I find it funny that somehow me trying to push for a strategy that can keep the mafia from being able to use the mayor's office against the town is grounds for suspicion. Note that I am the only person who has not called for ANYONE to be lynched. I keep reminding people that it's too early in the game to lynch, and somehow this is suspicious?So I ran for sheriff, and now citi.zen, DoctorH, and meeple have explicitly stated that they will do whatever it takes to keep me out of office. Doesn't this strike anyone as odd? Why would those three band together and trust one another so soon? And it's not like I was losing badly when I made the post calling for a mayor lynch--I was only down 1 vote. In fact, if you guys elect me mayor, lynch me. Although that probably won't happen because the DoctorH/meeple's gang, once they become mayor, seem hellbent on making me the Day 1 lynch. Needless to say if I flip green/blue then doctorH/meeple are in doubt. They should be lynched but I doubt that will happen if they are elected sheriff/mayor as they can simply outvote and, sadly, outpost the inactives.
In response to the bolded section. The mayor HAS to lynch someone. Do you not understand this? Someone is getting lynched. So, yes of fucking course we should be discussing who should be lynched.
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well let's look at two scenarios then
1)t_co is lynched and turned red
2)t_co is lynched and turned blue or green
In the first scenario, then I guess we should start by comparing people who voted for him/defended him against clues and such. Not much else to do at that point.
If he turns blue/green that's much more interesting. For one, his theory about meeple/me/citi.zen being in some sort of alliance will be given a bit more credence.
I still think we should lynch hobbes. I'm reluctant to take too risky a move on the first day. if t_co is a townie or a blue, he is clearly very aggressive and active and that is the kind of person I want on the towns side, even if he suspects me. I think we should play it safe until we get some more information from the second day.
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On January 21 2010 13:03 Bill Murray wrote:
stimilant both voted for t_co and fits a clue, that's a double whammy if i ever saw one
I don't think so really. Hobbes voted for meeple, right?
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On January 21 2010 13:07 blue_arrow wrote:
this is getting pretty funny, especially from my perspective
and I am still unsure as to who to vote for;
however, i'm in support of the future mayor lynching hobbes; as DH said, he's our best guess right now
why is it "especially" from your perspective?
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On January 21 2010 13:09 Bill Murray wrote:
hobbes voted for meeple after it was clear that t_co wasn't going to win, yes. what's your point?
Just because stimilant might fit a clue doesn't incriminate t_co imo since more suspicious people have voted for other candidates
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On January 21 2010 13:16 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 13:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm reluctant to take too risky a move on the first day. if t_co is a townie or a blue, he is clearly very aggressive and active and that is the kind of person I want on the towns side, even if he suspects me. I think we should play it safe until we get some more information from the second day. Okay, I think that makes sense. But if all three of you, meeple, and t_co is townie (as you seem to be assuming), then he's prime material for a night 1 kill, since that would throw suspicion on you two.
The mafia can create almost any situation they want based on who they kill. The mafia are getting a lot of information about how they could play with our heads during the night phase right now. the more objective we are, the less room we give the mafia to fuck with the town psychologically
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he's saying that if hobbes is lynched, no matter what he flips we can't really go anywhere from there.
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Well, I'm agreeing here that we shouldn't take any big risk moves until the second day. I'd say lynching hobbes is probably the best choice.
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On January 21 2010 13:07 blue_arrow wrote:
this is getting pretty funny, especially from my perspective
and I am still unsure as to who to vote for;
however, i'm in support of the future mayor lynching hobbes; as DH said, he's our best guess right now
Do you mind explaining this part of what you said here? It kind of stood out and bothered me a little bit.
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I would really like to see you make something concrete of me and meeple "strongly" supporting eachother. I voted for him and that's about it.
If that is your idea of mega strong support then I don't know what to say. Just because we were all active in the beginning doesn't even remotely imply that we had prior coordination, what the fuck. It implies we are in the same time-zone maybe.
I don't have intense trust in meeple, citi.zen, or anyone besides myself. But I can't vote for myself, so I voted for meeple since he was the most active aside from me at the time. I think you are reading way too hard into this, but you seem pretty set on the idea that me and meeple are in some unholy alliance.
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On January 21 2010 14:04 t_co wrote:
addendum: If you lynch me first and I flip green, then you have to deal with a sheriff and mayor that BOTH might be mafia. But if you vote me in as mayor and DrH as sheriff, then this problem does not arise, and furthermore, by lynching meeples, you instantly know between DrH and I who is the remaining mafia.
No, you won't learn anything.
If I'm lynched and flip red, this doesn't incriminate meeple at all. Meeple hasn't been active at all during all this recent drama and I only voted for him because he was active at the time.
If meeple flips red, he hasn't really said anything to defend me or incriminate you so I think it has less to do with me or citi.zen being possibly red than with the mafia trying to nag mayor.
If you flip red, we don't really learn that much either.
I think all this speculation is pretty groundless, at least Hobbes has some ground in the clues.
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