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On January 25 2010 11:18 dreamflower wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 11:08 Nikoner wrote:
I abstain from voting for a lynch today.
I vote against a double lynch tomorrow. For the most part, this hasn't been a problem, but for future reference: There's no need to vote against a double lynch. As long as you're voting but don't vote in favor of a double lynch, it's assumed that you're voting against the double lynch. So, there's no need to mention it explicitly.
I hope you set more explicit rules. While DrH clearly retracted his vote in favor double lynching, citi.zen's retraction is debatable, his post could also be interpreted as abstaining from voting for a person, and not retracting both his vote on a person and on double-lynching.
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Duh, I somehow missed that post in the thread. Nevermind.
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Man, one thing I really want is for all voters to post why they voted the way they did. If we're going to focus away from clue-based mafia hunting (since it hasn't done us much good so far), this kind of reasoning is the minimum required.
Town members, even those with blue powers, need to post more (and never lie, although it's fine to deny knowledge and post suspicions even when you're not sure), so that mafia can't get by without posting. Then mafia who do post might eventually slip up by posting contradictions or lies that they had to make to keep their identity secret.
Since I've asked for people to explain their votes, I might as well start.
I came to the thread pretty close to the deadline as I was working all afternoon on other things so it was too late to really be influencing outcomes. But since this is something that's a good ploy for mafia members to use, I'll do my best to get in early in the next discussion. I ended up stacking an unnecessary extra vote on kane just to see if the olympic clue really was that straightforward, but it wasn't. I do think we should focus away from clue-based mafia hunting for now.
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gg. I had a feeling I was going to die night 2 when the mafia got all 3 kills on night 1, as I had the feeling that the mafia was thinking one step ahead of the medics.
Day 2 the medics would be thinking "hey we protected the actives but that didn't do anything" and thus would choose someone else and the mafia was thinking one level deeper that the medics were thinking that. But looking at the night actions I guess I just wasn't active enough on day 2. The MSL finals really put me on tilt and soured me to TL in general for that time. Since you guys say the mafia wasn't working that well as a team, who was submitting the kills?
Good calls by citi.zen, I'm astounded how accurate you were and especially how confident you were. I wasn't close to as confident as you on the guilt of DrH and Mystlord, and I wasn't that suspicious of the others on your list. I was incredibly suspicious of DrH because of his lack of stated suspicion of the other elected officials such as meeple, which I thought was a way of deflecting suspicion from other elected officials (like himself). His revealing of a DT contacting him was another thing that really raised my suspicions as well. Cynan has my reasoning when I threw everything I thought of the game at him after he revealed he was a DT to me, but the gist of it is that a town mayor shouldn't automatically trust the contact (since the DT was claiming to the mayor without revealing the mayor's role, which would be a way of verifying the DT's authenticity), and if the DT was real, the DT shouldn't have contacted the Mayor anyways, as the Mayor's alignment was unknown. I don't think it was a wise decision on Bill's part. The third reason why DrH struck me as mafia was that he selectively ignored certain clue discussions on the town part. It might have been better to acknowledge them as probably but "not strong", then later when your posts are examined this entire "blank" (so to speak) in your posts wouldn't stick out so much.
Mystlord's support of DrH without much stated reasoning was what made me suspicious of him.
When citi.zen asked me "[DrH] trusts you a lot [to be telling you the DT check of citi.zen], is the feeling mutual?" I first was wary that you were mafia with DrH as I thought that was a rather odd question to ask, to feel me out if I was really suspicious of DrH. So I thought if you were mafia, I'd like you guys to think I wasn't too suspicious of DrH and thus get rid of me early on, although I ended up dying the next night anyways. I ended up trying to feel out a lot of other people in regards to how they felt about DrH to see if I could get support that way to get rid of him. Still, that turned out well, I suppose, as DrH's odd actions on citi.zen backfired a lot.
In general I don't think the mayor/sheriff roles benefit the town (by the very existence of the roles) more than the mafia, as the inability to be rolechecked and the ability to avoid nightkills early on are very good cover for mafia, but less beneficial to town-aligned elected officials, as the REST of the town cannot necessarily believe that the elected officials are truly town. The only town position to truly benefit from the mayor/sheriff roles would be the DT - if the DT became an elected official and found a mafia early by role/cluecheck, then claiming or heavily pushing a mafia for lynch would help establish his townie or DT credentials, then both the DT and the rest of the town would benefit from an elected DT.
Although I do think DrH played fairly well, I don't think he used the Mayor position to his maximum advantage, especially since he garnered suspicion so quickly.
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Jugan, your claiming of credit would be so much more believable if your posts in the last few days weren't so idiotic and irrational. Good thing your actions were easily discernible as idiotic and irrational even if you were mafia, so the town didn't have to waste a lynch on you. Even as someone who isn't privy to what you may or may not have said by PM, your claims strike me as entirely unbelievable due to what you've said in the thread.
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Btw Mystlord, it's a good thing that the clues were written about you not from your point of view. Clues are written for the general audience to interpret, not so that people who would have to somehow put themselves in your shoes to discover what they were like.
And actually the mist/Mystlord difference I think was a fair twist of interpretation so the clue wouldn't be immediately obvious to the town, although in the end the sum of evidence against you didn't help things.
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Oh, and t_co is permabanned, "by request" apparently. I wonder what's up with him?
I did to some extent mirror his "lynch the elected officials" sentiment, but his subsequent jumping around in his arguments really soured my view of him. I still did feel early on when he was posting a lot it would be helpful to the town, but eventually it degenerated which was much less helpful.
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And I was total garbage as to clue interpreting. I didn't even notice the DrH/scalpel thing until meeples pointed it out to me by PM.
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On February 02 2010 00:54 Phrujbaz wrote:
I facepalmed the instant I read DrH's defense of me in the tea clue. I knew I was going to be dead the instant DrH got caught.
Stuff like this makes me wonder if mafia would be more successful if they brainwashed themselves into not remember who their teammates are...
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Yes, as I was pointing out during the game, wasn't there at least one past game where the clues were totally impossible to interpret? The lion->hunter->"WoW Hunter" twist that made it totally useless and counterproductive to try interpreting clues at all, among other examples?
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Yeah, if it's public knowledge that mafia are much more likely to appear among those with more fleshed out profiles, that's a huge disadvantage for them. I'm going to add more stuff to my profile too.
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