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With that in place, town has to wait for deadline to force a lynch on a player, and alternatively, if someone puts a player at one vote until lynch very quickly, other players can't pull their vote off to extend the day if they don't feel the town is ready, or if they suspect that mafia is going to sweep in and hammer that player. | ||
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Vote rule #4 - Self-voting can be useful in a few occasions for both town and mafia. Again, it really takes an element away if that's not allowed. | ||
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On January 05 2010 07:44 Scamp wrote: I really can't think of a situation where a self-vote is needed. Can you help me out here? Sure! I'm going to assume only one killing party in these 2 situations. It's a 9 player game. Town has lynched one scum player so far, and there has been a lynch/night-kill combination every day/night. Day 4 is headed into LYLO (lynch-or-lose) where they must lynch scum. On Day 3, the lynch is going to be a town player who knows he can't sway the opinions, but he also knows that the scum player is going to have to work to get a win in Day 4 (whether there are two really strong pro-town players or a few players onto his case) and that the player is going to need as much time as possible to figure out his night action. If the player waits till the deadline, that is more time for the scum player. But if he self-hammers and lynches himself, it cuts the scum players time short. Alternatively, on Day 3 with no scum lynches and a lynch/night-kill combination every night, a scum player is about to be lynched, but town is content to sit on his lynch until the deadline because they have no leads for his partner. Scum player can self-hammer to cut town planning time short and give their teammate a better shot going into D4's lylo situation. | ||
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On January 05 2010 10:24 Incognito wrote: Um ok I get rule four, but did you mean to remove 7 not 3? Because from the description it seems like rule 7 is the one that is discussed but you mentioned 3. Just waiting for nemY The reason I included rule #3: Rule #3 states: You can not autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon. If my vote is on Ace, but L is the leading lynch candidate and a single vote from being lynched, and we want to end the day because a cop investigation came forth confirming Ace as an innocent and we feel L's partner (we've found L conclusively scummy) would have too much time with a full deadline, I can't switch my vote to L according to this. e: I'm all for KEEPING rule #7. I'm for REMOVING rule #3 to allow bandwagon hopping - it can be a big scumtell, actually. e2: Judge plays way too much mafia to be good for his health. I was just in 5 games at the same time X_X | ||
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I AM A MEDIC. Stop. Read. Let it sink in. I just openly claimed to start this game off. Other medics (if you exist), stay in hiding. Why? 1) I can be more effective this way. First, I can be confirmed rather easily with this done. That will come on Day 2, but I can be. Second, it allows me to work in the open and play with mafia's head. I can make my own list towards the end of each day and force mafia to play a guessing game as to who on the list I will protect, if I will actually protect anyone from that list, or if it is worth it to try and kill me and will I protect myself. 2) As stated above, it will throw a major wrench into the mafias night-actions. They will not know if they are safe to try and kill me, or one of my targets. They don't know if there are other medics either who can protect me and/or my targets. 3) Mafia is now going to push to get me killed, either very boldly or subtly, via a lynch. This will give us a pool to work with of potential suspects. | ||
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On January 05 2010 19:47 Scamp wrote: Also isn't NemY the one that's supposed to claim medic on day one? Last time this happened the town got in a major BS argument day 1 and then won when our mafia leader ragequit because Vivi logged in 2 minutes late. Difference here is the fact that I know what I'm doing here. On January 05 2010 20:13 Zato-1 wrote: [1]Medics should cover blue roles. How do you find out if someone is a blue role? Good question. Hopefully I'll be able to answer it by nighttime. On a final note: [2]Player list seems to be 12 people long. Are there 12 of us? If so, please fix the "11 of 11 players remain" on the OP. Also, if there's 12 players, how many mafia and how many townies are there? The OP suggests 8 townies and 3 mafia, but that adds up to 11. Also, is role revealed after death, or merely which side you're on? [1] - We'll discuss protection options as the day draws near an end. I'm leaning towards L or Ace tonight, depending on how each plays. [2] - I think we're at 12 (9 & 3) and this should be full reveal, not limited flip. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: Day 1 roleclaiming medic is beyond ballsy, and your payoff seems to be little more than making a list and then having a dt check you OR telling the vig to hit a target and protecting it. How exactly is this not godfather play? I mean, I've already thought about the relative pros and cons of you doing this as a green, dt, vig, vet, medic, and godfather, but I want to hear what you've got to say about this. It does a number of things - it can provide a confirmed townie which is the worst possible thing for mafia to have to go up against, because it's someone that no matter what, they cannot push a lynch on, and worst of all - I'm not one of the top players in the game, so I'm not someone they want to waste a NK on either. Even if I'm barking up the completely wrong tree they have to try and kill me because they can't get me lynched once I'm confirmed. It forces mafia to play a guessing game. Sure, they had to play one before, but it was minimized. Now, they have to try and outguess the entire town. I can ask the town directly - who do we want to keep protected tonight and form a list. Mafia players will either have to sacrifice a potential target and put him up on the list or out themselves with a ridiculous choice and/or not post at all. Then at night they have to out-guess me in a wonderful game of who the fuck will I protect. Will I protect one of the targets offered up? Will I protect myself? Which of the targets will I protect. Doctor can be a much more powerful role out in the open. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: If you're trying to absorb a dt check rather than anyone the DT wanted to check; that's interesting. We'd rather have checks on reds rather than on blues. If you're trying to get the vig to hit someone, that's double interesting. It would be triple interesting depending on how you asked him. I wouldn't direct a vig to hit anyone and protect that, because our vigs are one-shot. There are later plans for any vigs. Regarding the DT, I have a plan for any potential DTs we have, but that steps in on D2. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: You're probably not going to get lynched day 1, but then again it was highly unlikely that you would have been the eventual lynch target on the first day anyways. So objectively it seems like you're trying to call attention to yourself, which is the standard play for vets and godfathers. I'm a medic though. And I'm trying to do something different because I've seen it work, I've seen this tactic in play. Besides, as odd of a defense as it is, this is nowhere near my scum meta, even if I was GF. I much prefer to push attention away from myself, because I'm prone to fuckups if I try and be too active. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: Dunno, give me your take on it, and don't pretend that the list stupidity is a good idea granted that you could have had a mouth produce the list. The timing and activity in the thread indicates that there are very few people who could have gotten you as a mouth as well. The ability to be a confirmed townie and force mafia to adapt uncomfortably. The ability to force mafia into a guessing game. The ability to bring the town together and become a town leader here. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: Just seems a bit odd that no one's talking about it. So we have 2 topics of interest now: 1) Medic claim 2) Who y'all wanna kill It does seem odd that no one is talking about it. On January 06 2010 02:25 Ace wrote: I actually think it was a rather bad move. It's an 11 player game with 3 Mafia that have a grand total of 1 KP: why in the world would there be 2 medics? This pretty much means judge is if innocent going to die Night 1 as there is 0 protection available if he really is a Medic. The only other circumstances come down to him being Mafia false role claiming Day 1, or he's the Vet hoping to absorb a hit. Either way I don't believe he's truly a medic because any real medic wouldn't have role claimed Day 1 in this format. I can protect myself. That was the kicker. It might not make sense for there to be two medics, but there very well could be. We don't know, and I don't try and out-guess the mod, no matter what the most likely scenario of "who should be scum" or "Why would he do this". @Scamp - I think I covered your points in my responses to L, so I'm not going to re-hash them if that's cool with you. Also, for a kill, I say if he doesn't really put effort into it, Chezinu should be the day 1 lynch. No matter what he flips, it's a win for town. | ||
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On January 06 2010 06:40 Vivi57 wrote: Judge is probably vet or gf. Either way, using a rolecheck on him is a waste because it tells us nothing. Or I'm a medic. And because everyone wants to know: Yes, the plan does involve a DT R/C on me. Look. This play out-and-out doesn't make sense for mafia to do, even as GF, because of the doubt you all have. I'm pretty much painting a big target on myself here. If I'm the GF, or even just lowly mafia, I am one of 3 members and I would be putting a third of the team on the line for what mafia would gain very little from. If I'm GF, I'm putting myself more on the line, but I'm neither. I'm a medic. On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote: See, I believe you're rather correct when you say there's a guessing game going on, but I don't know why you'd do it in person, rather than through a mouth. Additionally, I don't see why pretending to be a mouth and posting late in the day rather than early would have harmed you or your goals here. So what mindgames are here that weren't here previously? The only real difference in the 'try to dodge the medic list member' roulette is the fact that you've painted a sign on your forehead. While you may have seen this used in the past, the 9 man format doesn't have a godfather, and doesn't have the possibility of multiple medics; the bluff is far simpler to make here, whereas its a massively ballsy move in a game of 9 man to claim doc as mafia; that's why its so powerful there. Actually, I read it first used in a 12 man closed setup. No clue as to whether a GF was there or not. Could have been two medics, could have been 5. Nothing was known. This is semi-open which makes it just as effective. Why didn't I use a mouth or pretend to be a mouth? If I used a mouth, I could easily out myself to mafia and my mouth could be mafia providing a plethora of problems. If I pretended to be a mouth, there could be the problem of "He might be mafia." and then I would be outed as medic sooner or later, leading to questions why I chose to fake using a mouth. On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote: Additionally, I have further issues; As you note, the timing of this is odd; you can't reveal a bunch of your 'plan' because a bunch of night roles simply aren't able to act yet. I can somewhat waive this on my own because I typically play in the same manner. Actually, it isn't because night roles can't act yet, it's because I'm keeping mafia on their toes. On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote: What's more worrisome here, however, is the fact that the rules state that as a medic, you won't be told if your protection target has actually been protected, nor will they be told that they have been protected. If you're mafia, that means you can fake a 'confirmation' on yourself by stating that you protected, say, me while not hitting anyone for a night. How exactly are you going to confirm anyone? The objective elements of your claim are an increase in attention on you, which speaks to a godfather, vet, vig or green role. You most certainly aren't the DT, or a normal mafia member. I wasn't going to claim any confirmation through a protection. I was going to wait until just before day ended and bark some orders, matter of fact. Also, in a setup like this, as a scum-gambit to false claim doc and fake confirmation there is no major gain. BTW, you're catching on with the last part - none of my actions fit the profile of a medic, which can cause people to question the veracity. I am the medic, but how much are the mafia going to believe that? The plan works in a few parts. The first part is the claim. The second part is making it through the day and establishing a plan for the night in terms of protections. Third part involves a DT rolechecking me. Day 2 I will explain at the beginning of Day 2. If I lay out the entire plan right now, the plan is lost. | ||
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On January 06 2010 09:00 L wrote: Given you were the one that noted this 2 games ago, WIFOM is a pretty bad move as justification. Touche. AND BE WORSE OFF THAN NOW? HO HO HO. MERRY CHRISTMAS. Your reasoning is pretty bad, bromigo Clarification: I could easily pick a mafioso as my mouth, and all information would flow through him, and thus to others. Generally, a mouth this early on is stupid. Is it the greatest position to leave me out in the open today? No. But I don't have to worry about going to a potential mouth, PMing him and having him not come forward with the information. | ||
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Stop asking questions about the plan, because the more I lay out now, the less effective it is. Right now it is 9 hours to deadline, and a slew of people have decided to go under. Let's figure out which one of them is going to be a lynch candidate tonight, and at 10:50 PM EST I will lay out the night phase of my plan for you all to see. I've got a pretty good feeling that this is going to catch one mafia tonight, if you just let me work my magic. | ||
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And this is a different plan from that, trust me :D Scamp, I'm trying to remember the game # of where I last saw it used, when I do I'll link it. | ||
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Do I have to spell out EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ACTION for you? Because I might as well before the lynch, if you plan on killing me tonight - let me know so I can explain how this would've worked. | ||
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I've said part of it before. The first objective of the claim was to allow me to work out in the open, scare scum and also because I do have a plan. The second objective is to put myself in a position to lead the town in the right direction, because otherwise we'd be voting to no-lynch today, which on Day 1 is an awful play. You think it's scummy that I don't give out every detail of my plan? That's great. Unfortunately, as I've re-iterated before and I'll do again, giving out every detail of my plan makes it useless. Let me help you all out and put this claim in perspective from both points of view: From a Town-aligned point of view: I am a medic. I can sit back, hope not to draw too much attention to me during the day or the night and try and protect the right hits. OR I can come out in the open and claim. Thus, the mafia is now wondering a myriad of things. Am I the real medic? Am I bluffing? Can they hit me successfully? Will I protect the people I list? Will they hit the one I protect? If he's not the medic, we'll be able to get him lynched, but if he is, we might not. Do we try and kill him at night? Now I have one-up on the mafia. I don't need to outguess them. I'll protect who I choose to and wait. If you think a medic's only use is to absorb kills, you're dead wrong. From a scum-aligned point of view: I am mafia. I can sit back, let town go at themselves, maybe push for a no-lynch on D1 and help us just effortlessly pick people off. Or I can claim to be a medic. I can pass on a night-kill to try and confirm myself, but people might see through that. Or I can try and waste a DT check, but they might not buy into that either. When I don't die and other people start dying, I will be questioned. This isn't even WIFOM here, there is just no gain from a scum perspective. | ||
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On January 07 2010 09:07 mikeymoo wrote: Small point: I can't see why mafia would claim medic and pass on a night kill. A night miss can still be regarded as Vet, right? It still makes some sense (I guess?) to claim medic, just not passing on a night kill. It was just a possible way for mafia to try and confirm themselves being the medic. Obviously the vet throws it off as does the no confirmation via PM of a save. | ||
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On January 07 2010 09:13 HeavOnEarth wrote: Were you gonna make a medic list or something judge? There's still some 4 hours left to the day, I will though. Any input from players on who I should protect from the town? | ||
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Ace reads as mafia to me, and his opposition on malongo sounds like he's trying to sway town away from lynching who he thinks is a townie. Two motivations: 1 - he knows malongo is a townie and is trying to earn town credit by pulling off of that lynch and voicing opposition. 2 - Malongo is his mafia buddy and he doesn't want him dead. L, Zato, Mikey and Scamp read town aligned to me, promoting decent discussion and trying to understand something. Not overly trusting or buddying, but not too paranoid. RoL is odd. He seemed to react very emotionally to the claim, which to me is generally a town-tell. But he hasn't really tried to wrap his head around anything, which to me is generally a scum-tell. Null-read atm. The rest are null-reads as well. Except Malongo. He reads mafia. | ||
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On January 07 2010 09:23 Ace wrote: you must be a salesman in real life Actually, I'm a student. | ||
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On January 07 2010 09:33 Malongo wrote: I still dont see much gain from mafia to fakeclaim, thats why im inclined to think judge isnt mafia. Im really trusting the "other" blues here. Btw some votes on me are really lol votes, im not gonna defend myself but the only guy that has a "reason" to lynch me is L and he is based on previous games. Zato thinks im mafia because I was making separate groups. Funny shit the guys that i say im inclined to trust are insta voting me (L and judge) what do you think zato-1? I originally voted you to force a no-lynch and save my sorry ass from being idiot-lynched. Now I'm voting you because your one "real" post in the thread reeked of active lurking, a wonderful scum tactic, of coming in and providing nothing but fluff and lack of contribution to the game. You barely put anything new on the table, then disappeared for a lovely 24 hours. You come back and again provide nothing new to the discussion, and get all OMGUS on me for calling you out. | ||
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On January 07 2010 09:43 Ace wrote: Judge I always try to stop the town from killing people with random bandwagons. That's not a scum tell that's an ACE tell. That's probably the one trait that you can find I do consistently every game. Oh and argue with RoL too. The first part still reeks of anti-town nature at minimum, mafia nature more likely. The second part - huh? | ||
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On January 07 2010 09:49 Ace wrote: how is stopping a bandwagon anti-town? You'll have to explain that one to me. I've done it every game regardless of what role I've had so you can't call it a tell. The second part was sarcasm. L I'm not switching to RoL unless there's a really convincing argument. Generally, a player voicing opposition to a bandwagon with little case is a mafia member trying to either prevent his partner from being lynched or trying to get townie credit by opposing a wagon on a townie. This is my experience. Also, I see no reason to switch to RoL at the moment. He's a null read to me. | ||
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On January 07 2010 09:55 Ace wrote: @Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent. I almost never see this. One example does not justify a meta defense. | ||
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On January 07 2010 10:02 Ace wrote: I've done it more than once. I do it ALL THE TIME. If you want we can pause the discussion and make a poll. You can also PM everyone that has played past Mafia games. They'll all tell you I stop town bandwagons from killing innocents regardless of my role. Then you can't use it as a defense. And I don't use meta as a way to clear people, I use it as a way to crucify them if they play to a certain meta overall. Plus, the hole in your logic is "I do it all the time" which means you can still be scum. | ||
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On January 07 2010 10:08 Ace wrote: But you made it sound earlier that defending innocents is a Mafia trait when I just proved to you that it is not. Hence why I called you out on it. You can't say me defending Malongo makes one or both of us scummy. There is no hole in my logic because I already admitted I do it regardless of my role. I generally find it to be a scumtell, yes. I'm not going to beat a dead horse with this, I find it to be generally scummy, and combined with some other plays you've made, I think it's a scum attempt, not a town attempt. | ||
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On January 07 2010 10:45 Vivi57 wrote: ok, we have 2.5 hours left so I'm going to offer another option: Zato read the posts between zato and judge carefully. They have a dialogue going where they agree about the big things while arguing about fairly small details. There's definitely some kind of alliance going on there. Right when the wagon seemed to be gaining speed against judge, he comes out and accuses malongo. I feel like there's a really good chance that judge flips gf if zato flips red so we gain alot of information from zato's death. I was going to get mikeymoo for inactivity, but that's changed and I really don't like the wagon of scamp and chez following me so I'm going to change my vote to zato. I still strongly believe judge should live until tomorrow. There's no alliance that I know of. Zato, do we have an alliance? You're barking up the wrong tree. Malongo has defined active lurking in this game and people refuse to put an end to it. They would rather see a no-lynch and give mafia a freebie than take action. -_- | ||
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On January 07 2010 11:19 Malongo wrote: You damn fadsafads how can you possibly say im active lurking? im participating as much as im able to. I dont care about your rocleclaim: its useless in terms of trustability thats obvious. Its gain if your town (decieves mafia) and its gain if you are mafia (keeps you in the spotlight). I said it before: im going with the other blues playing solid. If you want to lynch me go ahead, still i better lynch Rol instead of me or a no lynch. Im not voting RoL for the simple reason that at this point its not in my choice. You may also have a hint of passive lurking due to constraints. But the bottom line is, you have given the town FUCKING NOTHING today. I don't care where you stand on the claim. I care what you have contributed to the town, and that's a big fat fucking 0. But you're claiming you've done something. | ||
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http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Active_lurking I couldn't care less whether you're "splitting" the town into groups. | ||
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On January 07 2010 11:33 Malongo wrote: Im inclined to believe L and judge are town. I think theres a gain on lynching RoL because RoL red=> Scamp red (I posted the reasoning clearly). I dont see a bad thing a medic claim because theres gain and no-lose as long as the other blues keep playing smart. Just to add more Milkymoo and Ace can see (or they know) im not really mafia. You can find better candidates to active_lurking boy (and yet again no im not active_lurking i proposed first post to lynch RoL). Given all the post garbage against me im now almost sure all this come from my first post aka lynch RoL. Why are you still fighting? I'm going to die anyways :D | ||
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If I do live, I need a DT to investigate me to further carry out this plan. It WILL continue this as long as you play along with it, got it? Good. Peace. | ||
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On January 07 2010 11:46 Vivi57 wrote: shit, the claim was dubious, but wanting to absorb a dt check is just awful. Everyone knows you're going to turn up blue no matter what so the check is 100% wasted regardless of whether you're medic, vet, or gf. Stop being so narrowminded. The check will not be wasted, I guarantee. | ||
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On January 07 2010 12:25 Chezinu wrote: so judge why should I let you live? I haven't outlined this yet? How about the fact that I have a plan that will elevate the towns chances of success, and I'm the medic. | ||
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I mean really, what are we going to lose? | ||
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On January 07 2010 12:55 Chezinu wrote: so you want to die judge? More of you're playing like a jackass and shouldn't be permitted into another game of Mafia for the rest of your life. Once again, you're at the stupid shit. | ||
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Too late now. @RoL. I will EXPLAIN in the Day 2 phase of things. FFS show a little more trust and a little less paranoia about "OMG HE'S BURNING A DT CHECK." If anything, a DT check will be burned regardless of whether he checks me or someone else in your eyes. He's going to have to second guess his result no matter what. | ||
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@RoL - I'm making the assumption that there is a DT off of the constant nagging of people saying on this forum "There has to be a DT/Medic combo or else it's rape against Town." For the record, DT/Medic is an overpowered combination in pretty much every open game if it isn't balanced out by multiple KP or a mafia roleblocker. DT can outright claim and have the medic stay in hiding and just protect him every night while he investigates while the mafia has to blindly try and snipe the medic. By then a slew of confirmed townies pop up and it's GG for mafia. We luck out in the fact that we generally use multiple KP or these games would be busted wide open by any competent two players. | ||
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Also, my plan is a modification on the tactic. | ||
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On January 07 2010 13:09 Ace wrote: I said this a few pages back. DT/Medic is also somewhat busted by GF roles, but only somewhat. And the reason you need DT/Medic is because without both Mafia is just going to run wild killing everyone and people will be scared to post knowing they have no protection. GF, Millers and such can slightly hinder it, but in the setting I described (open game, 1 mafia KP and just "goons" with a GF") it can't out and out break it. If you know there are millers, you can obviously be like "I had a blank read" and with GF eventually there's going to be a point where you have 1 cop, 2 townies (1 GF) and no one else, and the cop and townie are going to figure out the GF. In semi-open or closed setups, you don't need anything. I've seen town win 12 man closed mountainous setups. Is it more difficult? Absolutely, but it's not impossible. Setups without PRs are not bastardized setups by any means. But this is more mafia discussion and not so much game-related. I'm just using our general assumption that we have a DT. | ||
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I'm much more inclined to believe mafia was off of this lynch, but that's my opinion right now. I feel that mafia sit back and let this one happen. | ||
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WILL THE DT WHO CHECKED ME PLEASE CONFIRM WITH ME VIA PM. CONFIRM WITH YOUR INVESTIGATION RESULT. IF I HAVE NO CONFIRMATION WITHIN 12 HOURS, I WILL ASSUME NO DT CHECKED ME, FUCKING UP THE PLAN. If anyone believes that Chez is a DT, you are a fucking idiot. This is a clean and simple bus by mafia as a ploy to throw my plan off. Mikeymoo is probably going to be mafia. Chez is going to sacc a mafioso to attempt to gain trust. Mafia KP does not go down. Chez will start naming off innocents and just cruize mafia to victory with this. | ||
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My aim is to bring the town together into a situation where we can win this game. I don't know how many more fucking times I have to say it. And I don't believe Chez is a DT because this whole thing is too convenient. Do you really believe that he just happened to check a player and find mafia? Do you really think that Chezinu was able to use the PMs he sent out to people to figure out who is who? You know what he PMed me? "Bye." What kind of read is he going to get off of any response from that. FUCKING. NONE. Right now, mafia are scared shitless. I managed to convince the town that I'm legit and that I have a plan to break them. And they know by my constant insistence on this plan, I ain't bullshitting them, I'm shooting straight. So they're scrambling. They have at least one intelligent player on their squad who realizes sacrificing one mafia for the greater good won't alter their KP. So they take MikeyMoo, a player who people had been slightly suspicious of, and they sacrifice him. He's obviously not the GF. They now have Chezinu, who might be the GF covering himself as a DT, and who has been acting arbitrarily all game long, claim that he is a DT and out of nowhere has a guilty. It fits Chez's profile no matter what he draws - he plays like a jackass. He will get the town to lynch Mikeymoo. Mikey will flip mafia. People will buy into "Woo! Chez is DT." Knowing this site's whole "FOLLOW THE PR LOLZ" mentality in the games, they will either a) manipulate his results to push mislynches and kill their cleared or b) get a town circle "established" and have a full list. BTW, I said my plan would come as soon as I got my confirmed DT check. Without it, my plan is null. | ||
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On January 09 2010 12:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: 10/10 for misquoting and being a prick in general. You didn't make it clear if you meant the post above the one you quoted or the quote inside the quote. I swear to fucking god if I have to ask this one more time I am just going to spam your inbox until I get a response I deem acceptable. How does checking Judge prove anything? There is a godfather in the game. Do I need to say this again? Checking Judge can show us anything, most likely a Vet or Medic yet you insist on wasting our valuable checks on it? We said in thread before night how it wasn't a good idea to check judge for those reasons yet you and Judge kept going on about confirming Judge which just never got explained. GIVE ME FUCKING ANSWERS. Oh and just a quick thing about the hit on HoE. I feel like that was done to draw the least suspicion to anyone. Why would ANYONE hit HoE? He isn't particularly good nor was he really looking like a blue. The only reason I can see to hit HoE is either a misread on a blue or to just try to create as little controversy between players. Imagine if me or Ace died last night the two people who were attacking Judge/L and their plan so much. They would be under scrutiny. But what did HoE really do? Look at his posts above. He didn't really do or say much of anything. So since I totally plan on active lurking from here on out until you guys lynch me or mafia kills me, does anyone want to hear my plan? Because it was brilliant, mind you. | ||
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To. Be. Amazed. At. How. Much. You. Suck. RoL. And. Ace. | ||
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THE PLAN I am a vanilla townie. The medic claim was to have a few things happen. First, it does fuck with mafia, because they don't know if I'm telling the truth. Second, because a lot of times, the real medic will protect that player on D1 just to see how it goes. They have no other people to protect and if it's mafia, it's not like they would've made a successful prot on N1 anyways. I was going to call for a DT investigation and to PM me to confirm. The DT would've confirmed himself by pming me "I got town as your role". At that point, I would come clean as VT and act as a mouth for said DT and funnel information to him. Have all players claim to me, funnel to him - let town lynch me to confirm my VT-ness, but send out directions for the night before I died. | ||
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On January 09 2010 20:30 Ace wrote: Oh...oh my god! Brilliant! Surely the DT wouldn't think that the fact you purposely claimed Medic to draw an investigation to yourself and a GF isn't in the game you'd never even attempt to pull a stunt! So basically like I said the instant you "came up with such a brilliant plan" you were just lying and wasting everyone's time. Hey Ace. It's not my fault you're in all honesty a shitty mafia player who relies on broken setups where you can follow the PR to victory and thus can't wrap your feeble mind around a well thought out plan. Quit raging at the fact that someone who isn't you had a plan to lead the town to victory. GG fucker. | ||
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On January 10 2010 15:26 nemY wrote: I agree with this. TBH I don't really understand the killing of HeavenOnEarth... he didn't carry that much power within the town; I would have expected someone like L, Ace or Vivi to get the first hit. It's called a frame. Myself and L were prime lynch possibilities walking into today - myself because I was claiming, L because he kept advocating my plan which I kept under wraps. HeavOnEarth was a nightkill who didn't draw attention to anyone, something a smart-scum in mine or L's positions would have been happy with. It was meant to look like L or myself would've made the NK. BTW, does everyone fucking understand why I kept saying "I can't tell you everything." now? Ace is excluded, although I must've hit a nerve or something with my post. | ||
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On January 10 2010 15:59 Vivi57 wrote: Really now L. The mafia would have to be really stupid to risk this and lose one of their own just to chez get the trust of the town. The only time mafia EVER have caused the death of one of their own was pyrr fucking up a couple games ago. so yeah, don't claim to chez, but I'm pretty sure he's town KP isn't affected this game. So losing one, especially with a GF still remaining, is no big loss. | ||
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On January 10 2010 16:17 Vivi57 wrote: but giving the town a 1 day advantage in a ~5 day game is a big loss Let's assume that we mislynch every day, and mafia kills every night. No vigi for the sake of easyness. D1: 12 (3), N1: 11 (3) D2: 10 (3), N2: 9 (3) D3: 8 (3), N3: 7(3) D4 6(3) [LYLO] Now lets assume they give us a freebie on D2 (basically, let's assume Chez is scum). No vigi again. D1: 12(3), N1: 11(3) D2: 10 (3), N2: 9(2) Now. At this point, Chez is believed to be town. People WILL claim to him. He can claim to investigate someone, clear them and then kill them later on. He just avoids his mafia buddy and keeps him under the radar. D3: 8(2), N3: 7(2) D4: 6(2), N4: 5(2) D5: 4(2) [LYLO] Hell, on D5 he can claim to have a guilty and lead a mislynch and gg. It really doesn't set Mafia back to do this. The other benefit is, if we kill Chez tomorrow - who the fuck can we link him to? He's been as arbitrary as possible this entire game, votehopping on D1, PMing everyone and quoting them. Who is safe? | ||
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On January 11 2010 11:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Get the fuck off yourself, holy shit. You are not that fucking important. Lol, just because you suck as much as Ace, doesn't mean you have to get in a hissy fit. | ||
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why kill me? Let it set in. GG. | ||
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On January 11 2010 16:53 Ace wrote: I don't know Judge. If someone had a plan and it's pretty a pretty ridiculous lie I'd be crazy to not attack it. GG. You're an idiot. I stand by my statement that you're an incompetent mafia player, now I'm adding in you're just plain incompetent. I'll ask again. If I'm such a bad player, and I'm such a hinderance for the town. Why the NIGHT KILL jackass? Usually mafia only nightkill those who they feel are a threat to them in the town. But funny, according to you, I seem to be useless and the reason town almost lost. Hmmmm.... flawed logic much? So again. GG. | ||
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On January 12 2010 06:48 Ace wrote: Judge trying to implement plans the very site he plays on says is bad is really hilarious. Mmm.. where did you see that? Yes, some players disagreed with the plans. Of course I do more than read the threads there - I talk to a number of the better players there - this was one of my conversations as soon as I knew this game was going down. BTW - that site doesn't have broken games with no way to keep PRs in check. So that's why someone disapproved of it there, it's not nearly as powerful. There's no open communication, so no funneling roles, and half the time they don't have medic/dt combos because it is such a broken setup (but it's ok, I understand how shitty you are and you need to rely on it to actually look competent.) | ||
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On January 14 2010 10:20 L wrote: That game was hilarious in retrospect. I remember Ver asking if we were serious about our disorganization lol. That game was just funny. | ||
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On January 15 2010 07:55 Qatol wrote: Umm Chezinu asked me 1. who the godfather was and 2. who your hits were for night 1. We couldn't believe you guys weren't talking that kind of stuff out among yourselves. Especially #2 because Chezinu was supposed to be your bluesniper. I messaged all of them on Day 1. I got MSNs for L and Pyrry. Pyrry and I discussed random shit about nothing, except he was running for office. L and I decided he should be GF because Pyrry was getting the office. Chez PMed me once saying he was alone. Then after someone had apparently claimed to him, I PMed him asking for info and he was like "I can't tell you, you might be mafia" There was no communication going on at all that game. Then I got bombed on my birthday. Fuckin' gay lol. | ||
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On January 15 2010 09:00 Qatol wrote: Now you're making dreamflower feel guilty! She thought you said it was okay! Haha she's not at fault. I blame Ace, actually, for R/Cing me and calling me out as a medic. It seems to be a common pattern: If there is belief that I am a medic, I am not a medic. LOL. | ||
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