Mini Mafia 2

On January 05 2010 19:47 Scamp wrote:


Word. I actually plan to play this game through.

I'm really surprised it was Vivi who first said to kill me and not L, considering how often I seem to get L killed.


Also isn't NemY the one that's supposed to claim medic on day one? Last time this happened the town got in a major BS argument day 1 and then won when our mafia leader ragequit because Vivi logged in 2 minutes late.

Oh wait he claimed detective. Maybe this will turn out better.

I guess the evidence points to killing Vivi.

On January 06 2010 05:46 HeavOnEarth wrote:
so a medic claim

short of a DT role-check i don't see how you can be confirmed, and that could barely qualify as concrete evidence regardless , seeing how you openly claimed.
so obviously im missing out on your plan , as the rest of the town. why would you keep this information/plan hidden ?

also, this,

? i suggest if there is another medic , they counterclaim. the odds of there being 2 medics in a ~11-12 player game is substantial. the fact that you posted this statement is rather godfatherly.

On January 06 2010 06:14 L wrote:
But that's the thing, no one can ever be confirmed BY judge without judge messaging them that they were protected last night and even then that doesn't tell them anything because the vet could have been hit or the hit could have been held.

Is this starting to make more sense?

On August 24 2009 14:27 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Here's the problem with the "medic claims" plan - the mod can discretionarily leave out any of those roles. So mafia can make a gambit and say "I'm the DT." and the medic only gets one DT claim. You bus one mafioso, since KP doesn't change. Medic announces "ydg is mafia" and then people lynch him and he is, DT is trusted. NK a townie. Town is down to 9, takes 5 to lynch. The fake-DT offers up an innocent. Town lynches someone else as long as the fake-DT's partner lays low. They nightkill the innocent. Down to 7, takes 4 to lynch. Another innocent is offered up. Another non-investigated player is lynched. Said innocent is NKed. Down to 5, takes 3 to lynch. Lylo for town. fake-DT offers an innocent, lynch the other, and GG. They NK the other non-medic and 2 mafiosos vote to lynch the medic next day. One mafioso is sacced to gain the trust of the town and then it's field day.

EDIT: That's just one scenario that could play out. You could have a medic only game in this format theoretically. The semi-openness is what makes it balanced. It's very hard for a semi-open format to be broken by a massclaim because you can have as many or as little of each role.

On January 08 2010 13:25 Chezinu wrote:
Hmm.. No clues, and no majority lynches made for an awkward D1. However, I have a plan.

I AM A DECTECTIVE.

Stop. Read. Let it sink in. I just openly claimed to start the second day.

Other detectives (if you exist), stay in hiding.

Why?

BLIND FAITH. It is needed. For once trust somebody who you think is crazy for once. What if I really am the detective? What if I found out mikeymoo is mafia? Let me think....

Why else would one abandon the brown? I have seen the light! Never before have this happen! Crazy things happen in incog's world! Last time I visited this world my father Ace betrayed me! This is not a world for brown but of blue! Listen to my words! I truly am the Detective! Mikeyoo is mafia!!!

I could not think of any reasonable way to tell you guess im blue. Just look at the statistics. I have never been blue before not once. You think I would ever abandon the brown for any other reason?

So I call upon the GREAT LACES to help me lead this town to lynch mikeymoo!

On January 08 2010 17:21 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
You guys are too narrow-minded and retarded if you can't see from all of my posts how checking me would confirm me.

My aim is to bring the town together into a situation where we can win this game. I don't know how many more fucking times I have to say it.

And I don't believe Chez is a DT because this whole thing is too convenient. Do you really believe that he just happened to check a player and find mafia? Do you really think that Chezinu was able to use the PMs he sent out to people to figure out who is who?

You know what he PMed me?

"Bye."

What kind of read is he going to get off of any response from that.

FUCKING. NONE.

Right now, mafia are scared shitless. I managed to convince the town that I'm legit and that I have a plan to break them. And they know by my constant insistence on this plan, I ain't bullshitting them, I'm shooting straight. So they're scrambling.

They have at least one intelligent player on their squad who realizes sacrificing one mafia for the greater good won't alter their KP. So they take MikeyMoo, a player who people had been slightly suspicious of, and they sacrifice him. He's obviously not the GF. They now have Chezinu, who might be the GF covering himself as a DT, and who has been acting arbitrarily all game long, claim that he is a DT and out of nowhere has a guilty. It fits Chez's profile no matter what he draws - he plays like a jackass. He will get the town to lynch Mikeymoo. Mikey will flip mafia. People will buy into "Woo! Chez is DT." Knowing this site's whole "FOLLOW THE PR LOLZ" mentality in the games, they will either a) manipulate his results to push mislynches and kill their cleared or b) get a town circle "established" and have a full list.

BTW, I said my plan would come as soon as I got my confirmed DT check. Without it, my plan is null.

On January 08 2010 21:15 Zato-1 wrote:
Okay, so. By now, many people seem to be impatient. I know stuff that makes me be less impatient- for instance, I now know Judge not to be mafia with a pretty high degree of certainty, due to a few PMs. I will proceed to publicly post those PMs which explain why he has gained my trust. But before that, I'd like to announce I'm a Vigilante. Call my roleclaiming retarded all you want- I think it's more important for the Town to throw some information out into the open and organize ourselves, than it is to keep my blue role hidden for fear of getting hit at night. I mean, I'm basically a green townie with a bonus kill, which I'll probably use tonight anyway, so I wouldn't be such a huge loss even if mafia hit me tonight due to my roleclaim.

My original PM to Judge:
"To: vx70GTOJudgexv [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Mini Mafia 2
Date: 1/6/10 06:03
I've played with you before, read your posts, and thoroughly considered your role claim. You may be mafia, in which case I'm condemning myself with this PM, but I think you're not.

So, I just wanted to let you know. I'm the vigi."

It's a risky move, because in case Judge was mafia, I'd probably die on night 1. This is the reply I got:

"From: vx70GTOJudgexv [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Mini Mafia 2
Date: 1/6/10 08:06
Thanks for trusting me.

I am not in fact mafia.

I will have a purpose for you in the coming days. Right now, play enough to avoid being lynched, but not enough to become a NK target. I need you alive N2 for my plan to work out."

The fact that he wanted me to save my kill for night 2 made me a bit suspicious- maybe he just wanted me to save it while he killed me at night 1. At any rate, if mafia hit me on Night 1, it'd be very likely Judge would be responsible for it, so I sent another PM to L, incriminating Judge in case I died, just before Night 1 ended:

PM TO L BEGINS HERE, SO MANY QUOTATION SIGNS MAY MAKE IT CONFUSING:
"To: L [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Before night ends
Date: 1/8/10 11:18
Hey L. I wanted to inform you of these PMs I had with Judge, in case I don't survive the night:

"Thanks for trusting me.

I am not in fact mafia.

I will have a purpose for you in the coming days. Right now, play enough to avoid being lynched, but not enough to become a NK target. I need you alive N2 for my plan to work out.

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Original Message:
I've played with you before, read your posts, and thoroughly considered your role claim. You may be mafia, in which case I'm condemning myself with this PM, but I think you're not.

So, I just wanted to let you know. I'm the vigi."

Starts with a reply from Judge, and my own message which initiated the conversation is below. As you can see, I roleclaim Vigilante to him (which I'm not, by the way), and he says he'll need me to hit something on Night 2. In case Judge is mafia, he'll likely take my bait and kill me on Night 1.

So yeah. If I die, it's probably because of that PM, and because Judge is mafia."
PM TO L ENDS HERE.

If Judge was mafia, and L wasn't, I would die on night 1 and L would know Judge to be mafia. If Judge was Town and L was mafia, I wasn't putting myself on any more immediate danger- I lied to L, telling him I'm not a Vigilante, in order to look like a less desirable target for night 1.

At this point, I'm fairly convinced Judge is Town-aligned. The fact that I lived through night 1 does little to confirm L, however, so he isn't confirmed yet as far as I'm concerned.

I won't expect everyone to believe me or to begin trusting Judge now. But know that I do trust him now, and from this post onwards, you know my reasons for placing that trust; I thought he wasn't mafia on day 1, and after night 1 came and went, this hunch has gained some substance. Yes, he isn't 100% confirmed to be Town-aligned just yet. However, he certainly looks more Town-aligned to me than anyone else, at the moment.

On January 09 2010 07:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
NemY I said it about 5 minutes before you

Oh and I meant to also say that IF Chezinu isn't the real DT, the other one should check him asap.

This is once again assuming that we actually have DT's which was said earlier is most likely scenario.

On January 10 2010 14:16 L wrote:


I'm not so much 'okay' with chez's thoughts, so much as I think that regardless of if he's bullshitting or not, mikey should be killed first. If mikey is mafia, we don't vig chez. If mikey is innocent, we vig chez.

Even if mikey flips mafia, I don't think that clears chez.

Original Message:
it was from a previous mafia game in which i role claimed DT and pretty much fucked the town over for the rest of the game. I was a legitimate DT, but in doing what I did, I basically caused a shit ton of chaos and mayhem which far benefited the mafia over the town... this is why i'm in favor of lynching Judge and against anyone ever publicly role claiming this early in the game...

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Original Message:
looking at your profile and was like:

"I'm the detective"


Start above here^^

You see nemY's answer? Yeah, thats what I thought as you can see he is evil!!!

From: nemY [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: so I was like
Date: 1/7/10 09:34
I'm the AntiChrist in this one. Quit fishing for roles buddy.

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Original Message:
So are you the medic?

and here I like to spread info:

Me: Original Message:
Judge, Malongo, or L?

Mikey: I'm thinking judge, but I'm still very on-the-fence and generally confused. My problem with voting Malongo is that he's more likely to be innocent than judge, imo, and starting a late train on L is going to prove difficult, given time constraints.

What are your thoughts?
~mikey

I guess I should share more pm's that I had with nemY!

To: nemY [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Just need a little faith
Date: 1/9/10 07:21
You are really close to figuring me out. But I know 100% that mikey is mafia. *hint hint*


He didn't even respond to me!! Reminds me of mikey... Stupid mafia trying to ignore me!!!

On January 09 2010 07:11 nemY wrote:


This move is so unbelievably dumb on every aspect of the game that I feel forced to disregard it all-together. If you really are the DT why would you do this? SACRIFICING YOURSELF FOR ONE MAFIA IS NOT A JUST CAUSE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT DOESN'T ALTER THE KP. No rather I think you think you're so sure mikeymoo is mafia that you're willing to lie to convince the town. Why you're so sure of mikeymoo being mafia? I don't know the exact reason but I know you're not a dt, BECAUSE A DT WOULD NEVER GIVE THEMSELVES UP UNLESS THEY'RE SURE THEY HAVE PROTECTION.

On January 11 2010 09:17 Zato-1 wrote:
On an unrelated note: These are the voting tallies for Day 2 lynching:
+ Show Spoiler +
Note how the only people who don't vote for mikeymoo are Ace, mikeymoo, nemY and Judge. Judge I can sort of understand given how pissed off he was at Chezinu for screwing up his plan. Same for mikeymoo, usually people won't vote to lynch themselves. nemY and Ace look suspicious, again; the argument to lynch mikeymoo first and Chez second (assuming mikeymoo didn't turn out red) was sound, from the Town's point of view.

On January 11 2010 16:49 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Ace, if my play was so bad, and I was for sure not the medic...

why kill me?


Let it set in.



GG.

On January 11 2010 15:47 Incognito wrote:
L kept saying that the town should keep checking HeavOnEarth's post, someone (Scamp?) compiled a list but it was ignored. nemY kept questioning the mafia's choice to kill HeavOnEarth day 1, but the town didnt' catch on. Too bad since HeavOnEarth picked out Ace + nemY as mafia. I was really sad about that, but I guess it doesnt matter too much ja?

Next game no medic self protects.

Question for everyone about DT checks: should checks be returned when they are asked for or after the day post comes up? Usually I think this hasn't been much of an issue, but this game DT got two mafia in a row and DID decide to claim so I don't know what you guys think about that.

On January 12 2010 05:10 L wrote:
When did you try to accuse either mm or nemy, or when did they try to significantly play against you? nemY and you were united on the most important issue of the game as well; the issue of whether or lynch claimers. This should have been a huge portion of your strategy this game; there's no kp loss for sacrificing a member.

Your main mistake, however, was trying to push for chez's lynch prior to mikey when we had a vig hit up. There was no logical basis for that.

On January 13 2010 01:10 L wrote:


Lynches aren't for killing people you don't like. They're for killing mafia. Unless you thought judge was mafia, there was no reason to hit him, much like there was no reason to hit chez prior to mikey.

You guys are using a shorthand solution from arguments we've had in other formats to justify a very poor move.