TL Mafia XV

On October 17 2009 11:02 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


Which game? I just wrapped up 832 with another win (3-0 over there) and 833 I'm just a townie (re-roll of the 792 game which I epically rocked).

On October 17 2009 12:47 HeavOnEarth wrote:
also i announce my run for mayorism !! wooo :p

On October 21 2009 07:05 CallerQatol wrote:

Too bad! I was even going to "nudge" Ver into giving you a role (since I remember you complaining that you didn't get special roles very much in my game).

On October 22 2009 10:59 Tricode wrote:
Look, it's a bad idea, cause it is hard to judge who is bad. Yeah there are people who can screw up, and misinterpret things. But does that make them bad?

How do you clarify a bad player?

My definition would be : A person who never tries. Goofs off no matter what happens. Doesn't really play, and is normally inactive for many games.'

If you agree with my definition, can you honestly say I fit any of those descriptions to the 'T'. Also how many people would agree with you if you do believe i fit those descriptions?

This is a waste of time.

On October 23 2009 01:27 L wrote:
So, does anyone remember a game in which Scamp played the silent clueless newbie part and had a role other than mafia?

On October 22 2009 15:50 Scamp wrote:
Why do people assume that mafia members are telling each other what to do? When I was a mafia the other mafia never told me what to do. 'Course I never really do anything, but still...

They never told each other what to do either. If anything there was mostly polite asking. It was really quite civil.

On October 22 2009 15:57 redtooth wrote:
so who should we lynch? should we go with the killing-the-vet plan and risk cutting off our own heads? what about just killing a random person off the list? we don't have any other good lynch candidates at the moment except motbob who i assume will be dead before long.

anyways, assuming tricode is townie, killing him leaves DT with a lot of options and a good deal of information. i was thinking about this earlier and the way incognito's plan will work out will allow DT to establish the color of ONE type of player (green, red, blue). there are three possible scenarios:

i believe the last bit is the most important aspect we have to focus on. obviously we want to lynch a mafia and that would give us the best scenario (DT knowing the color of mafia in his checks, knowing the color of town-aligned players in checks) and lynching a blue is bad (no explanation needed). but let's look at the scenario where a townie is lynched. using tricode as an example:
the scenario the DT is left with is not bad. whenever a check flips townie, DT can and should ignore that individual (he should not roleclaim because there is a chance that townie is a godfather). however, in the case that a check flips one of the other two colors, the individual has a special role and should be scrutinized and pressed by the DT. that person is either mafia (who the DT should try to get lynched) or a special town role (who the DT should try to form a circle with).

so in the end, i still stand by the idea that we should kill tricode on Day 2. he is a detriment to the town regardless of his role. there are some signs pointing to him being a mafia and lynching him in that case would be very good. also, the lynch is not totally useless if tricode turns out to be a townie. the information DTs gain about their sanity is priceless as they are absolutely useless without knowing their own sanity. killing tricode is a win-win scenario.

On October 23 2009 02:23 redtooth wrote:
i don't know if doing incognito's plan for two nights is a good idea. mafia games don't last too long and wasting 2 nights so DT can just figure out his sanity is not an efficient use of time. if you look back at one of my previous posts, i outline the three scenarios DT faces after the first lynch. DT should then check suspicious people and base their judgment on their present scenario (they can either correctly identify a person or determine that a person is one of the two other colors). otherwise, we waste 2+ (remember the lynches HAVE to flip two different colors for the DT to perfectly identify their sanity) nights just to have DT find out their sanity but they do not get any information because all the people they checked are now dead. DTs aren't invincible and have a high chance of dying before they can be of any use at all.

On October 23 2009 03:51 L wrote:
Issue: we don't know how many vets we have, and there's a godfather than can make his role 'vet'.

On October 23 2009 03:55 motbob wrote:
My grandpa died and I'm helping make preparations for his funeral so I'll be super inactive until Sunday. Sorry

2. If the DTs check tricode and he's green, when they check the vet he'll show up as a mafia or a blue, but the DT can't know which. He might contact a mafia and he has no way at all of knowing whether the vet is actually vet or a mafia. Also, they won't get hit by mafia in either case, so we can't even use the fact that they weren't hit as a reason for suspicion.

Also, I don't understand why the mafia wouldn't announce that a DT claimed to them, they already put themselves into the open as vets to begin with. That'd be really stupid. But maybe the mafia actually is that stupid, who knows.

On October 23 2009 04:15 Shikyo wrote:
Mafia don't need to kill the DT who claimed to the fake vet, since the DT is going to see blue as red and red as blue and might actually hurt the town. Then the fake vet can gain all the information he can and win.

I guess you're correct about imba though, so I'd say that there's only one medic and one vet, but we can never be sure and if we screw up with that, we're done.

On October 23 2009 08:27 HeavOnEarth wrote:
i dunno how u guys find rhymes so fast, i cant even think of anything that rhymes with orange =/

On October 23 2009 08:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


door hinge.

i just blew yalls minds.

On October 25 2009 01:57 Qatol wrote:

Night ends in 8 hours or when we get all the night actions in. We do not have all the night actions in yet, so right now I'm saying 8 hours.

On October 25 2009 02:20 Ace wrote:
A 75% chance he's red or blue? Where did you come up with that number :/

You just said outlined the entire reason we don't have to kill motbob - The Vet idea. The Vet steps forward and all the DTs role check him and get confirmation. At this point there's no need to kill motbob as the DTs already have used their check for the night. Killing motbob would accomplish nothing.

Right now there is only one thing we need to focus on - Pyrr telling myself and another player who the bodyguards are. He still hasn't done it and time is running out. We need this information before Night 1 is over. Once we move to Day 2 I'll reveal the second part of my plan.

On October 23 2009 06:13 Ace wrote:
also I'm still running for Mayor ^_^

Regardless of who wins use the Vet idea.

On October 25 2009 05:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
That said, since there has been no veteran claim yet, I think it's safe to say that there is either no veteran or that motbob is the veteran. Thus, the move rests on Pyrr for now;

On October 25 2009 11:43 Tricode wrote:
I think some of our plans just met a train right now. I can't recall all of them, but this bg and vet plan doesn't seem to be starting off yet =\ and we missed dt's checking for the first lynch.

Is there a plan or something I'm forgetting about that we can still do or will attempt to do next chance we get?

On October 25 2009 18:10 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Not sure as to where this game is going. Guess I'll consider seeing how this plan from Ace develops... I think the people threatening to lynch Ace though are retarded, although I'm still baffled why he picked me rofl. I'd rather lynch RoL personally. He rubs me the wrong way.

On October 25 2009 18:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I do want to pass on the information. I'm not sure why we can be sure about Ace's RC yet. Also, why am I the first person to say that if he is a DT then he may have just OUTED THE FUCKING MEDIC?! He says he wants to give us some info in case he dies. Well, that info does dick for us. If Judge isn't mafia it lets the mafia know there's a 50% chance that Judge is the medic. Fucking grand. If he's a real DT he should have kept that shit to himself. How does it help us to know that check result if Ace dies tonight? Doesn't tell us shit cuz Ace would be dead before his sanity mode can be determined so its useless.

We could have helped him determine his sanity with the Motbob plan but he's sure of Motbob's innocence for no reason. We won't be able to check his sanity now because we'll be too afraid to kill someone who might be the medic. Judge won't be able to help because he can't come forward and say Ace is a liar unless he is a blue role other than Medic. If he is medic, than I guess he could privately claim blue to Ace but then he would want to publicly claim green or we lose the fucking medic but if he claims green publicly when blue than Ace's story gets out of whack and we lose our trust in the DT. I think we have to be more on guard against a fake DT this game because we can kill a few innocents and not prove shit about whether the DT is fake or not. Fuck, if push comes to shove and a fake DT gets called out on a shit ton of contradictions he can always just say he guessed his state wrong and blame it on someone else.

But here's the problem. Ace wasn't told the bodyguard names by pyrr as far as we can tell, so how would he know that they're both blue?

On October 26 2009 04:38 L wrote:
I suggest people go re-read mafia 8 to see how Ace deals with people who roleclaim DT.

I checked Judge on Night 1 because I didn't have any BG names and the Vet never stepped forward. Duh? Why does it matter who I checked then? You're bringing attention to something that has no bearing on my motives. If any of the 3 prime choices for checking aren't there I had to pick someone instead of you know, not using my unlimited role checks.

On October 26 2009 22:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

We chose BOTH ideas. They are not mutually exclusive in any way. And if we had stuck to both, we would have been fine if no vet came forward.

On October 27 2009 06:19 Shikyo wrote:
Guys WTF are you abstaining for with these vote numbers? It's like the best way in the world to avoid lynching a mafia.

On October 27 2009 09:11 Shikyo wrote:
If you and both judge were mafia the plan would be to make him seem like an unappealing lynch because of the chance of being a dt and also to have an excuse for him to not be killed by mafia because of that helping with your sanity.

On October 28 2009 13:15 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
So either L got hit by a vigilante or the mad hatter bomb, but not the mafia?

On October 28 2009 15:15 Scamp wrote:
That scenario might make the most sense but it's wrong. The mafia hit Incognito and Dreamflower, unless the way the deaths are described have no meaning. There may not be clues, but the way they died is still valid.

Also don't forget that L could simply be lying.

On October 28 2009 17:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


To further expound on this: in the Day post it explicitly says "the mafia had sealed the exits."

Incognito was not killed by the mad hatter bomb.

L was either

a) hit by a vig
b) hit by the other bomb
c) not hit and is lying

My initial posts were incorrect. If the vig (i say the, there is most certainly not more than 1 if any) did hit L he should speak up. If there is no vig we narrow down the possibilities to b or c.

RoL. I find it curious that you were so quick to correct me on my initial and incidentally logical reaction...

On October 29 2009 08:48 SugiuraMidori wrote:
I don't want to sound suspicious by throwing the town back and forth, but this had to be brought up, and apparently I am not breaking rules by doing this after all..
All right then, I'm having a heck of a time trying to figure something out now... maybe town can help better... So here I lay out my thoughts as best I can..

I know that Vivi and Redtooth are on the same team because they both checked as blue, meaning they're the same color. Since the town has been adamant about one or the other having been red almost all game, I figured that blue meant red (implying I'm either paranoid or crooked).

However, and this is something I really don't know how to explain, but with a little help from a PM from tricode made a bit of sense... I have had a gut feeling that Shikyo is doing a hella good job as GF and been playing me this whole time since I generally trust him ever since the game where he was Mayer and I was Mafia. Additionally, Tricode mentioned that Pyrr has still been acting suspiciously and thus could be red (fitting with needing a vet on the mafia team) and then there's Chez, whom others have been saying is acting exactly like when he was red in another game....

This kind of leaves us with two options, each of which has nearly equal consequences:
1) I am right about my sanity, due to town and my own observations we somehow managed to find two living red players that I conveniently checked and saw they are on the same team.
2) I'm totally wrong about my sanity and my gut feelings should be used..

In the case of (2) we would end up voting with something based on a gut feeling instead of possible fact, perhaps nabbing a mafia, and of course everyone would like a red team of Pyrr, Chez, and Shikyo better than a red team of Vivi57, redtooth, Scamp which has no obvious vet players (since we must add judge) ... the latter option of course would confirm my sanity, be more unbelievable, and possibly not get us any mafia killed.

If Pyrr had bothered to tell us the bodyguards, and pretend it's Vivi and Redtooth for a moment, well for some miraculous reason I checked them and they are on the same team.. meaning that mafia subbed in two reds or no reds.. which Pyrr of course couldn't tell us (and sure wouldn't if he was red ^_^)


I seriously don't know what to do with these checks, and I can obviously only confirm that they are on the same team since they both came up blue (meaning one of them is NOT the GF) and just now I realized that one could be a non-red and the other a godfather..

I really don't know how to interpret this now.. I was so sure before, but now I'm lost.. please help town :/

On October 30 2009 12:36 Vivi57 wrote:
ok, this confirms BloodyC0bbler as mafia

I created this the last time I was at a comp today, expecting to die. Sent it to a few people knowing that one of them would post it if I died



I want to call out bc (and to a lesser extent chez) but I don't have enough evidence, and what I do have will be taken more seriously once I'm dead.

bc started off by telling me in msn that he supported the vet plan, then immediately said he wasn't a vet because clues were removed this game. This isn't enough to condemn him, but it adds a bit when you add everything else he's done.

His writing allowed him to contribute very little while feigning activity. This was enough to get him considered active enough to not be motbob status early on while making noone actually question what he said because it was so hard to read. I forget where he said that he doesn't want to play from behind the scenes, but that's exactly what he's been doing with his town pm circle and very little thread activity.

bc, KNOWING that me and redtooth were on the same team (he's been in contact with midori) voted for redtooth while at the same time telling me in msn that he didn't believe I was red.

He finally starts posting something when Chez (likely mafia) is on the chopping block. He uses the defense that Chez has been Shikyo's mouth. This makes no sense, Chez hasn't said *anything* the whole game so how could he possibly be a mouth for someone? It sounds like bc is trying to pass the blame off onto Shikyo to delay the town and get more kills.

I won't be able to post before the day ends, so I'm going to send this to a few people and ask them to post this if I die.

On October 31 2009 11:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Are we doing double lynch now or tomorrow night after BC's death confirms things?

On November 01 2009 05:10 Ver wrote:
So given that the outcome of today is pretty much already decided (lynch bc/double lynch tomorrow) we figure it'd be better to switch from a rigid schedule to a more fluid one. This will happen in a few hours or so unless anyone has objections.

How do you guys want it? End nights as soon as we get actions in? End days as soon as the outcome is clear (well this might not be needed for future days depending on how the game goes). Basically we don't want to see everyone sitting out bored and having no activity given the current state of the game.

On November 01 2009 14:41 motbob wrote:
I recommend Scamp and... RoL.

On October 29 2009 23:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
why are they laughable? so you believe L's claim even though he hasn't done shit for town except advocate lynching Ace?

On October 29 2009 23:57 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


lol, dude

there's hardly been a page's worth of discussion on the merits of lynching any of those players

seriously i can boil it down for you nice and fast

chezinu - we want to lynch him because he posts random shit
vivi - guys like Ace say he is stupid
redtooth - some voting thing?

the short answer is that the discussion on those 3 is limited and devoid of quality information.

And no, time is not on the towns side as we cannot afford to miss lynches. If L is not lying mafia just won't hit him, and that's 1 less person they need to kill already.

On October 30 2009 08:12 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
if we don't lynch L the only semi acceptable candidate is Vivi

On October 30 2009 09:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Yeah, the only reason is that voting Vivi would at least give the dt some info, assuming of course that she is the dt.

Really though I don't think any of the 3 have particularly great chances of being red.

On October 30 2009 11:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


wat? are you sure? i wanted to switch to Vivi

On October 30 2009 11:08 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


Yeah. Just on the off chance that Sugiura would gain info from it. But she says she has another way to confirm her sanity, so we'll see.

Scamp said: I mean, both Vivi and Chez were suspected of being mafia. How come people that suspected Vivi before don't suspect him now?

On November 03 2009 09:36 L wrote:
Because we have a confirmed DT with confirmed sanity who checked him as green.

Try to keep up with the thread before you go into hyper defensive porcupine mode.

On November 05 2009 11:06 Qatol wrote:

Umm

Paramedic - You have the ability to prevent one hit per night on a player of your choice, besides yourself, during the night. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person and the target will know if he was saved. However, the town will know nothing of the event. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supercedes theirs.

On November 05 2009 10:53 L wrote:
Are you fucking serious. Didn't you prot yourself tonight?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

On November 05 2009 10:55 L wrote:
We are having a very nice long conversation after this game about how to play mafia.

I am so angry right now. This is fucking retarded.

On November 07 2009 13:26 L wrote:

Obviously I cant just say "lol i am mafia, i'm not angry at all that a medic died. silly.

Anyways, that's my last derailment .

On November 08 2009 02:21 dreamflower wrote:
Woot! Took you guys long enough.

Great job, Midori. And Scamp. And also L, for confusing the town as long as you did.

Shutting up about stuff will work if they aren't watching carefully, still, you should think about protecting yourself tonight.

Normally I wouldn't lie, but that's because I wouldn't have made the mistake of pretty much claiming in the first place. The idea is to only reveal things that need to be revealed, but be candid and open about the things that are.

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I thought you were against lying to the town? I chose not to address the issue figuring some would overlook it. It was either that or lie. I made say that I was a vigi and that I hit L that way the incentive to kill me isn't really there

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Well, just ask then. You have my msn. Its kinda hard to forward every single PM I get, b/c this site has a buttfucking terrible PM system T_T.

You might want to claim as a vig or hatter or something that isn't a medic, too. That would kinda explain why we're talking in PMs, but it wouldn't get us raped. Can you protect yourself? Might be the best plan of action.

Just something to think over.

Time for me to get some zzz.

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lol you need to share your glorious PMs with other people then. I really didn't reveal much to mafia anyway. Either you are Shikyo is the godfather most likely. You both know my role. Sorry to mess up your plan <3 Lets just hope scamp dies tonight then.

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See, that's the problem, there is no mess. We have the shikyo issue to deal with and that's pretty much it. Once we have him confirmed as GF or DT, we win the game.

Tonight I was going to pick the same person for shikyo and sugi to check, give you the name, then tell them both to check. Both of them would have to reply to me and to you about the result and if we got a match, he's not the GF.

Sugi, instead of me would take over as the mouth of the blues since she would be confirmed whereas I'm not 100% confirmed because of the GF possibility, you would protect sugi, and sugi would tell shikyo who to check, and would direct the town lynch vote so that mafia couldn't have us lynch people who are confirmed.

If he is the GF, lol we win. We kill him and basically cruise our way to an easy math win with DT checks ruling out other people and an increasingly large town controlled voting block would form.


That was the plan. The game was over.

So why the fuck did we just throw down our perfect hand and ask for a new one the moment scamp starts bitching like he's been doing since day 1? Why would we let him of all people make us reveal A DT AND A MEDIC? I seriously don't get this.

Also: if you wanted my PMs from shikyo, i could have forwarded all of them to you in like 2 minutes the moment you asked. You're confirmed to me, all the information I have I'm perfectly cool with giving to you.

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Yeah I am aware, should I just make another post saying I am medic? It doesn't really matter. After this night you should be able to clean up rest of the mess that is left. Or at least Sugdori should be able to.

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You basically just roleclaimed to the town, especially when they know you're now talking with us, but sugi has you as green and they know both sugi and shikyo haven't checked you.

ok lol, i'm going to get some icecream because that' sall i can eat, brb.

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My shits updating.
Won't let me on until after that.
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I added you, are you on?

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I will not ever change my main screen name until I die. Perhaps only add another one for business purposes :D

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lol linkin park.

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my msn is linkinparrk2289@hotmail.com
I just rarely ever go on.

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DONT HAVE AIM, GET A BETTER FUCKING IM PROGRAM FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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Shikyo was using Chezinu according to BC though. He showed me a PM where he had Chezinu send PM's to Vivi and scamp to see how fast they would respond.

He was either fishing for blues or reds. I will send you the PM's I have them on aim.

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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I already PMed Shikyo. T_T

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Yeah, this is worrisome, i need to reflect.

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lol what if Shikyo was somehow mafia or just rolecalled a DT and said he confirmed you (because they obviously know you aren't mafia) and you couldn't prove that he is lying or anything either, because even if you were bluffing his sanity could be fucked up.

Just want to keep that out there just in case its possible.

I say you PM that info to SugDori maybe? I think shes safe so far. I will probably end up protecting her tonight

Oh and I also never thought Shikyo's behavior looked mafioso so I am not too worried. Its just if he is, its your ass and mine. They can just lynch you and the mafia doesn't have to waste the KP to do it.[/quote[

After I sent this I had realized what happened and that I could of protected a mafia. I was annoyed and made him go public with my claim

really? fuckers.

NEVERMIND.

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Nah I already thought of that. Since they must be blue under any circumstance if a DT checks them they AUTOMATICALLY know the blue. So Qatol and Ver said that regardless of sanity they come back blue and they wouldn't even let us check them in the first place.

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Its easier than that. Someone can check pyrr or if they checked Ace.

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Based on sanity and the hopes of a DT still being alive (probable) there is a 1/3rd chance that he will see you as a legitimate blue.
We know Ace saw mafia as Medic in Judge so I don't think they will reuse that sanity. So your chance is probably more like 2/5 40% instead of 33%.

Post that if you want.

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I'm going to ask. If i pop veteran on a blue check, i'm obv legit.

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SOUNDS GOOD BRO.
I still wonder if there is a second DT. IF we can confirm you somehow that would be great.

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I will post that it could have been bomb 2, since you shouldn't put your neck out and get connected with what happened. Might make it rather obvious that you're the other person I'm talking to, and we rather don't want that unless we can capitalize on that claim.

Bonus?

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Sounds good to me. I don't think there is any good plan that can make me come out in the open though. I can't be protected since, well. I am the medic T_T

Post what you said, and I will post that it could of been DreamFlower's second bomb.

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well, that's the thing, I haven't thought through all of this yet and I rather would like you to not die, seeing as mafia or a vig or a hatter or something wanted me dead.

Pretty standard timing too, i've died on day 2 like the past 5 games.

I'll post that there was another hit and that the medic saved me, and that we might be cooking up a plan. is that good with you?

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What did you have in mind? It better be really good if it involves you not posting that I protected you T_T That just makes me a safe kill if you're mafia. Otherwise if I die, you die.

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You don't want me to plannify this? I was thinking I'd have everyone claim to you b/c you're our first confirmed townsfolken.

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Whatever, haha Ace is a fuck. Post that the medic PMed you in the thread and that you were protected last night. I will be content with that.

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DIDNT ROLECALL B/C ACE DIDNT CHECK THE LYNCH TARGET, SO HIS SANITY WOULDNT HAVE BEEN FOUND. DUMB FUCKER.

GIVE ME SOME HOTPOCKETZ TOO.
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WHY THE FUCK IDDNT YOU ROLE CALL YOU ASSHOLE? YOU MADE MY PLAN LOOK SHITTY. YOU EVEN SAID THERE MIGHT NOT BE ONE.

I HATE YOU.

BUT ITZ KEWL CUZ I GUT HOTPOCKETZ

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LOL ACTUALLY IM THE VETERAN, SO I'D BE ALIVE ANYWAYS BRO.

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LOL I JUST REALIZED I AM A FUCKING IDIOT. I PROBABLY PROTECTED YOU FROM DF. YOU COULD STILL BE MAFIA!

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AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEAH, I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE NOTIFYING DEM THREADS.

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I PROTECTED YOUR PUNK ASS GIVE ME LOVE

Might be 2 hatters, we have no idea. His vivi pm seems to indicate that he was, at the least, bluffing having hatter bombs.

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Chez role claimed hatter?

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We can discuss protection during the night. There have been multiple decent players who are doing close to nothing this game, which means they're either blue or red. BC, Chez for instance, come to mind. If Chez changes his voting pattern tomorrow, for instance, it'll be pretty obvious that he was a hatter. As for BC, I have no idea why he's singing through the thread if there's only one medic. Its possible he's a vig, but it might just be he's green and bored.

Without clues I really can't get that 100% certainty on people that i'd like prior to lynches : (.

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I agree, and if you out me in public it gives you an excuse to kill me and get away with it. I agree with you. Do you think I should protect you or look for other targets the following night? I can assure you stay alive (which is a given almost anyway) or I can try to figure out who to protect. You can feel free to help me pick another target if you want.

That being said, I am little confused what to think about pyrr and BC. I am bias when it comes to them, so I want your opinion. I feel like BC avoided the whole Ace thing to try to stay not suspicious, because when I talked to him he seemed to agree. The same goes for Pyrry, he hasn't been playing as well and he gives me decent reasons for his lack of activity, but his overall play and logic is just so much worse. Possibly from being off his ADD meds, but I am not sure. I only other thing is I asked him to put his second vote on Ace so a vote switch didn't get me or amber killed and he didn't do it and never really gave me an answer.

BC is the one I actually think might be mafia out of everyone.

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Different situation today gave me a different goal. Because I was claimed to, and I now have the ability to form a group of confirmed townies. In order to confirm myself I needed to reach out and ask to see if a second DT was in the game. The only alternative would have been to out you to the public to get blue names, but the problem would be that you would die in the process.

At this point I don't want to die for the above reasons whereas before I wanted to get hit. Now that they know i'm going to take 2 days of full kp, i'm almost unhittable from a mafia perspective which gives me enough protection to stay alive while a DT finishes their sanity check and then confirms my role. At that point I become a mouth for every blue in the game, and we win relatively quickly.
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WIth that logic, what was the point in claiming Vet now? You got protected, you just needed to say you were protected. Not that you were a vet (which means they won't try and hit you again most likely) While the plan prior gave them incentive to try and kill you.

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The reasoning is pretty obvious; The job of a vet is to get hit. Claiming when we don't achieve the goal that we set out to achieve under conditions when I know i'm going to get hit completely invalidates the role.

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I posted how we can continue with the Vet plan. I still think you should of role claimed earlier and don't get why you didn't, I don't get the reasoning. Even if Ace said he checked Judge, before he even came forward with that I think I said the Vet should of role called then.

Oh and if you have Aim, mine is linkinparrk2289 I am doing HW and can't kep checking TL PM's

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As much as that's probably true, I'm still not confirmed to the town. I might be soon, though : ).

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Chances are you were a mafia hit. Dreamflower posted how he agreed with you and never sad anything about you.

"I find myself agreeing with Infundibulum and, of all people, L. We don't know if there are any veterans this game at all, considering with the low Mafia KP that they barely seem necessary. In which case it would become quite messy if anyone decides to falsely roleclaim, which has been known to happen."

This is the only thing he really said in relation to you or incognito. Chances are incognito was his other bomb victim.

On November 10 2009 15:57 L wrote:
In retrospect, you never gave me hotpockets.