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KP formula:
Mafia Count: >2= KP 2
Mafia Count: <2= KP 1

Who gives a crap that mafia kills me.

On October 22 2009 10:34 Tricode wrote:
One, mine was inactive people, such as those non speakers. (But I am now considering Redtooth cause of his bandwagon)

Two, your words are equivalently or more useless then myself, so don't be talking.

three, actual important issue have you brought up that actually contributes to the town? Slaying me is the crappiest suggestion.

But you are right, I am getting to heated up with you and that is actually delaying any progress from both our sides.

Also my defense points out if i you really feel like I am not mafia, then you should be looking for someone who you really believe does have potential in being mafia, instead of wasting the towns time with me.

So with a little worthless things said here and there, I do have points that you should read. Though you seem to fail sometimes at doing that.

Going by your definition, anyone who has been involved in this stupid argument with me and L, would fit your definition.

On October 22 2009 12:08 Foolishness wrote:


That's fine and all and I'm not saying my plan is perfect. But honestly what else are we going to do now? As L said, nearly all the mayor candidates are mia and all we got now is a plan so DT's can figure out their situation. Tricode is obviously not red and wanting to lynch him based off of his not contributing attitude or whatever is hardly a justification at all. At the very least you could pick an inactive to lynch.

On October 22 2009 12:20 Tricode wrote:
L, can we consider people who have very minimal post like 3 and under to be near inactive range?

On October 22 2009 13:15 Tricode wrote:
Actually i just started ignoring anything you really had to say about me.

I would of shaped up when more seriousness came into play. Which I believe mostly came from incognito.

On October 22 2009 18:13 Ace wrote:
As for those of you thinking mafia usually just sit back and let shit happen - lol. That only works when the town is doing enough to kill themselves for you. Last time I was on the Mafia side I was actively planning out scenarios with Pyrr so we could stay a step ahead.

Don't kill active, contributing players. Even if you think Tricode is worthless right now with no clues to go on killing actives will hurt even more at this point.

Foolishness really is bad, and so is Shikyo based on that other game with JeeJee (lol). No one in their right mind would count the smurf game as credible to someone playing well since that entire game was a big cluster fuck of nonsense and half the people not even really trying.

On October 22 2009 20:32 Amber[LighT] wrote:


I don't want to be caught in the shitstorm when the two major elected officials end up killing people that voted for the opposite party. Plus I don't want to be responsible for electing someone the town ends up upset about.

I think all of the candidates are shitty, by the way.

On October 23 2009 03:44 Amber[LighT] wrote:


Then kill me if you think what he does is suspicious.

Especially 2 medics would be completely gamebreaking,

On October 23 2009 04:38 Shikyo wrote:

I know you're right, there most likely are some roles that are completely unused. And if there are 0 vets that plan is going to backfire horribly. About medics though, well I think that having a complete autowin after lynching 2 mafia is quite imbalanced...

Seems like L and Ace are disagreeing. Here we go again!

On October 23 2009 10:21 Scamp wrote:
Yeah L I have been doing the same "don't look at me I'm the unassuming bro" thing I've done in every mafia game so far. I haven't responded to your proddings due to very bad timing. I'll pick it up when we get more things going. Namely, when we start talking about both the first and second lynches, and also the results of Pyrr's lynch.

Also I have played in four mafia games before this and I've only been non-mafia one time. That was my first game where Qatol was a mafia mayor and the town got slaughtered.

On October 23 2009 11:52 Scamp wrote:


I meant the first and second lynches we all vote on. Not the mayor's auto-lynch.

On October 23 2009 14:34 Ace wrote:


But Pyrr can also be Mafia which is the only snag :/

Hence on Night 1 we have medics prot so just in case they pull a switch they are boned.

If you really want to risk Pyrr releasing the names of the BGs to an outsider that assumes he has to be innocent - hence he can tell an innocent person fake BG names, or he can just keep it within the Mafia, or just give the list to the last remaining Mafia person.

If neither of us die Night 1 whether they switched or not will become irrelevant once I can post the next part of my plan.

Even if both his BGs were Mafia and I died that doesn't automatically make him guilty.

On October 24 2009 08:04 Ace wrote:


I don't think I've ever said that. If I did it must have had to do something with the game setup. I'd prefer saving anyone that we don't have a good lead on over killing someone for information. I think L would be the one who'd go with that idea.

On October 24 2009 12:39 Qatol wrote:
HeavOnEarth again:

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Imo motbob should be lynched, because the scenario is different now, we actually get information from his death. If he flips mafia ace is done. If he flips townie we have a good player in a protected position, and a medic can cover him all night as well. Blues can roleclaim to him and we can establish a circle of townies .

he is at risk of dying tonight

The remaining Ace/Pyrr will certainly be DT checked as well.

On October 25 2009 05:47 Ace wrote:


...wow

If any of the BGs are green neither me or Pyrr can be killed, hence why it's all or nothing

Medics have saved players plenty of times from being hit

On October 25 2009 06:59 Ace wrote:
Subbing in only one BG makes no sense as they can't kill either of us until they kill the legit BG. Why would Mafia want to waste time?

It's not half their killing power if no one finds out who did it and that's what I'm trying to convey. They switch both BGs, kill myself and Pyrr and no one knows who did it. We'd lose Mayor and Pardoner with no leads. Thats what I'm trying to avoid. I'm asking for medic protection because the possibility of it happening is very high.

On October 25 2009 13:01 Ace wrote:
Jeezus Shikyo and RoL you guys are terrible.

THINK.

You just said yourselves I wouldn't need the BG lists because any other 2 random people would have done fine right? correct

The Mafia definitely couldn't kill Pyrr + 2 randoms if he announced them publicly right? correct

So what would be the only point of me wanting the Bodyguard lists? hmmm lets see...um I'm a DT and I can check them both to make sure they flip "blue". Then I'd just compare them with the 3rd person or a Vet RC and see if they flip "blue" also or flip any other color. If the Mafia killed the 3rd person I'd have my confirmed shot on Night 1, a lynch candidate on Night 2 to test and both bodyguards already lined up. In 1 Night I'd have 4 possible people to check my sanity on, 2 of them being very likely to be Mafia since the biggest power play (you know, the one no one else mentioned) was them subbing both bodyguards.

However despite the fact that if I was Mafia I'd never even want the town to be highly aware of the sub, you guys think I'm suspect because I pardoned someone you all have literally no clue about and wanted to lynch. Think beyond your ass for a second. I could have easily said nothing, asked my supposed Mafia buddies to sub in the BGs, snipe Pyrr and there would be no way to trace it to me because technically I'd never ever have known who the BGs were anyway.

Why oh fucking why would I go through all this trouble to make the town aware if I were Mafia?

Different game, same fucking idiots. /facepalm

On October 25 2009 14:20 Ace wrote:
look at the voting thread

L O L

Mafia Bodyguards, with the exception of the Godfather, show up as Mafia to Rolechecks and do not protect an innocent Mayor.

You mean you should go re-read Mafia 8 to see how Ace deals with DTs that can't be confirmed or DTs that accuse people without the ability to be proven. Both of which have already been bypassed this game. Ding-Dong is anyone home over there?

On October 26 2009 11:12 dreamflower wrote:
Sorry, I'm not thinking clearly at all. Please completely disregard the part about checking DT sanity in my post, considering the DTs can't exactly check someone's role once they're dead. I guess that'll have to be left until the next Night, if at all. The part about Vivi and Chezinu acting suspicious still holds, though, so one of them could be the lynch for Day Three.

On October 26 2009 11:27 Ace wrote:


BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LYNChING PEOPLE JUST TO CONFIRM DTs. Get this through your thick fucking skull. It's not going to happen.

On October 27 2009 10:34 Vivi57 wrote:
ace played like shit and died because of it, I don't think we made any mistake killing him

I honestly think we need to look at inactives now. The mafia would just sit back and watch ace kill himself while having to do nothing and bringing no suspicion to them. I know this includes me and if I'm caught in the crossfire of going after the inactives, oh well.

I'm going to go eat now, someone should make a list of all the people who barely posted or didn't post from the start of ace yelling and his death.

Even if Mafia did chill and watch the show (when it comes to votes), i would bet at least a min. of 1 voted for Ace.

On October 27 2009 12:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
with this last lynch, we are in a pinch
three analysists down, and with a noose we dropped a crown
with only a few analysists who still remain, the town will lean on them like a cane

With the mafia most likely in those few, we might as well bow our heads in a pew

On October 28 2009 09:28 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Well then I'm glad you aren't any good at reading "tells", since not a damn thing you said about me is true, though some of those things would be rather clever.

On October 29 2009 05:02 Vivi57 wrote:
It's pretty obvious chezinu is playing with the attitude, "I don't care who we kill, as long as it isn't me"

unless he believes me, redtooth, *and* scamp are mafia, his voting indicates he doesn't give a shit if we lynch a townie and he only cares about staying alive.

This leaves two possibilities:

1. he's playing really really badly, driving the town towards a loss
2. he's mafia, and it doesn't really matter who gets lynched because any non mafia death benefits him

Original Message L :
Different situation today gave me a different goal. Because I was claimed to, and I now have the ability to form a group of confirmed townies. In order to confirm myself I needed to reach out and ask to see if a second DT was in the game. The only alternative would have been to out you to the public to get blue names, but the problem would be that you would die in the process.

At this point I don't want to die for the above reasons whereas before I wanted to get hit. Now that they know i'm going to take 2 days of full kp, i'm almost unhittable from a mafia perspective which gives me enough protection to stay alive while a DT finishes their sanity check and then confirms my role. At that point I become a mouth for every blue in the game, and we win relatively quickly.
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Original Message Medic:
WIth that logic, what was the point in claiming Vet now? You got protected, you just needed to say you were protected. Not that you were a vet (which means they won't try and hit you again most likely) While the plan prior gave them incentive to try and kill you.

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Original Message L:
The reasoning is pretty obvious; The job of a vet is to get hit. Claiming when we don't achieve the goal that we set out to achieve under conditions when I know i'm going to get hit (I've been hit on day 2 or day 3 for five games in a row) completely invalidates the role.

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Original Message Medic:
I still think you should of role claimed earlier and don't get why you didn't, I don't get the reasoning. Even if Ace said he checked Judge, before he even came forward with that I think I said the Vet should of role called then.

On October 29 2009 23:56 Scamp wrote:



So you become a mouthpiece for the blues, and we win the game relatively quickly. Excellent.

A DT needs at least two nights to determine their sanity, and that's assuming they're able to check people who actually die. So we need three nights of NO HELP FROM YOU in order for the DTs to confirm their sanities. That's 6KP worth of mafia kills, and that's the best-case scenerio. Furthermore the DT hasn't checked anyone alive at this point so they need even more nights to get any useful information.

So considering you want to be the mouth of all the blues in the game, and also considering your plan takes over three nights to execute, how about giving us some ideas on who to lynch or what to look for? Because that would, you know, be helpful.

Why are you ignoring all of my posts? And the date and times of these messages would be nice.

Then you are the veteran who didn't claim earlier when there was a plan in effect to do so but now is a good time to do so?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

I thought he claimed to you because he protected you last night and got a message confirming that he protected you from something. Has anyone else claimed to you, by the way?

And the part about the medic? About him claiming to you because the facts added up?

What information are you making public? Stuff that you said is really obvious in your last post?

All I've ever wanted is some direction from you. Simple, really. You're working with some DT and a Medic (at least) and pre-picking someone to check and kill to confirm you. All this despite the fact that the DT has already claimed to you and therefore trusts you. I sure hope you manage to pick someone non-blue on this attempt.

Furthermore, you haven't voted for a lynch once. Why is this?

and a dt day 1 checks you and you flip vet and get a rc?

Your "side" was that Ace was playing like ass.

What were the other reasons for revealing the medic and a DT are in your pocket? I must have failed to read that point.

Did you ever answer this question?

This medic and DT friend of yours cannot be confirmed. And if that's the case, why reveal them now?

Also, you've confirmed a third DT, not a second one, unless you think Sugiura is a liar.

On October 30 2009 11:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


wat? are you sure? i wanted to switch to Vivi

On October 30 2009 11:53 SugiuraMidori wrote:
For anyone that doesn't catch it... I just sorta gave a 3-person medic list if you'd like to make use of it. Though not protecting me would be sad story.

If folks would like to help choose who I check each night from now on, that's fine too.

On November 02 2009 10:18 Tricode wrote:


Didn't you say you know another DT other then midori?

What's going on about that one? Does that DT know their sanity and can give us information, through you as the DT's voice?

So were you wrong on this?

On November 03 2009 00:40 Qatol wrote:

Ver is your retard, don't lump me in with the likes of him!
In all seriousness, L voted for Ace late day 1 and Ver forgot to take him off the "No Vote" list when he added him to the "Ace" list.

How come people that suspected Vivi before don't suspect him now?

Oh wait, we had this information during the Chezinu/Vivi vote.

On November 04 2009 09:57 Scamp wrote:
Well this was when there were three living reds but yeah, I understand the scenerio is unlikely.

Also it seems L of all people just voted to help keep me alive while I was writing that long thing. Will wonders never cease!

it was also L's vote that killed you FYI.

On November 05 2009 11:06 Qatol wrote:

Umm

Paramedic - You have the ability to prevent one hit per night on a player of your choice, besides yourself, during the night. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person and the target will know if he was saved. However, the town will know nothing of the event. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supercedes theirs.

From: RebirthOfLeGenD [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: O_o
Date: 11/4/09 12:33
The rules actually don't state that I can't protect myself, so I guess I will try.

Gee... I wonder how Shikyo could have gotten all of them right with out being a dt?

On November 06 2009 06:38 Tricode wrote:


At one point you were voting to lynch Shikyo, how can you say you were trying to defend shikyo the entire game?

On November 06 2009 07:18 Tricode wrote:


What makes this the most difficult is that you had this circle and no matter what happens it seems like this circle you guys created decided to tell everyone everything.

(Basically it seems like people fucked up the circle to where a good thing for the town went bad)

The problem is you all can throw this (oh we had this circle and x knew y) there is something wrong with what everyone has done so far in this game (including midori) but because of this circle that you all created and decided to blab to much to each other (whether you did or not, can only be believed after the game is over, i am not trying to point fingers at who blabbed what out when they shouldn't have. My only point is the circle you were in screwed up and mafia took advantage of it)

So we come to this problem, who to believe becomes difficult cause you all seem to share for the most part the same information.

So in your final hours (unless you can really prove someone is mafia or can give us more comfort in believing you are not red) i believe you should do what ever you can to help the town (if you are townie) because so far you are still a mafia candidate.

Though if you are right in your assumption that would explain redtooth (which i actually hope you are wrong so the town can just go win this)

Now to add this. If midori was truly mafia (including redtooth) does everyone else truly believe they could be so determined in this game that they both believe they could win this with 1 kp when with this lynch or even after this we will get at least one of them, and then eventually get the last?

Are these last two players in your opinion considered to be skilled enough to hide and hurt the town as much as they have? (basically would you considered them a vet that would balance the mafia team out if the game did have some type of balance system going on.)

On November 06 2009 08:34 motbob wrote:
You are being clueless at best and lying at worst if you say that Chez is a good player. To say that him being idle when he was GF in Plexa's game is somehow an indicator of skill seems disingenuous. Simply looking at his posting will show you that he isn't taking the game seriously at all.

However, according to my plan, it doesn't matter if we kill L, and it in fact gives us more information.. with him showing red or GF !yay!.. if he shows blue, then we know Shikyo is probably legit, so we can go after Amber (if he turns red when I check him) motbob, and Pyrr.

On November 07 2009 12:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:



I have wanted to say this for so long. You and Shikyo both knew my role, and I knew one of you was mafia.

Also how the fuck did two people die tonight? That doens't make sense.

Edit: Modkill lawl I am dumb.

On November 08 2009 04:36 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Yeh, as soon as Tricode told me that Shikyo was MIA.. and then it was followed by motbob doing the same.. I realized motbob was 40% innocent.. so I made up a lie that I already checked him and he came back red, so he could just gg now..

Then he returned a VERY convincing answer about how if he was mafia he'd already have gg'd, as well as mentioning that my DT check claiming him red implied my sanity claim was wrong.. proof enough that he wasn't red...

I passed it on to Tricode, and was going to have him just pass on the Amber was blue check to town upon my death.. but then at the last moment I realized it no longer mattered.. I can say gg to Pyrr and not have to actually die :D

So yeh, despite my rage moment that one day, and going after L with a bit too much vehemency, this was a fun game overall. The moment with L was super intense, guess that's how he tries to defend himself when he's guilty? Interesting approach.

On November 08 2009 05:01 dreamflower wrote:
My favorite PM of the game:

From: vx70GTOJudgexv [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: How the fuck?
Date: 10/29/09 07:43
How the fuck did you figure to put a bomb on me lol?!!

On November 08 2009 05:41 SugiuraMidori wrote:


He also uber lynched Chez...

On November 08 2009 06:08 Qatol wrote:

It didn't matter though. Chez still had the tiebreaker even if Pyrr had only used 1 vote.

On November 08 2009 06:31 Qatol wrote:

I don't know how much it mattered that pyrr used an extra vote in the lynch unless people were JUST looking at numbers and not WHO was voting or WHY Chezinu was being voted for..... I still don't think this misunderstanding had a huge effect on the game.

I think ppl are more interested in trying to get me killed

On November 11 2009 12:50 Qatol wrote:

..... I was hoping these PMs were jokes.....

From: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Has the Godfather been picked yet?
Date: 10/23/09 13:11

ok, thanks
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Original Message:
Yeah, everyone else voted for L
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Original Message:
Did you pick a godfather yet?

From: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Who are we killing?
Date: 10/23/09 13:33

He isn't part of the IRSC. I'm going to start my own organization. The only not in the IRSC who is part of the organization is BC. The only mafia member I made contact with was judge. I've never even seen L before. I have in fact seem the letter L on a tv before that symbolically represented L. It was so cool! Who would of thought that L would stand for L! And pyrr has no sense of humor and he likes playing solo - learn that from previous games. We made most decisions without him. Toward the end of the game he was more involved, however. Playing solo is ok, but having no sense of humor makes me not want to talk to him. For Judge, I only talked with him a little bit at the beginning of this game. He told me he was suprised by the lack of communication. So I decided to play as a townie and start my own revolutionary organization made of me mad hatters, vigs, and you name it. We shall triumph!
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Original Message:
Why don't you ask L? We haven't even moved to night yet haha.

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Original Message:
Can you let me know who we are going to kill?