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KP formula: Mafia Count: >2= KP 2 Mafia Count: <2= KP 1 And when Mafia Count = 2? | ||
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So lets talk about who we're going to kill. I'm going to announce my candidacy and say that the DT plan is a fine idea. I'm also going to say that for my first lynch, I would kill tricode. Why? Simply put he's bad at this game. If he's town, he's throwing down pretty garbage posts thusfar and has a pretty terrible mayoral platform. If he's mafia he's subscribed to the foolishness/scamp "play the unassuming bro" early on to avoid attention. that said, he's probably just bad at playing town. Next: DT plan lynch. I say we talk about it during the night after we have a death and a day's worth of people to look at. | ||
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If you've got a 100% certain mafia candidate on the first day, feel free to tell me. Somehow I don't think I'll believe you, really. | ||
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You throw out really, really obvious mafia tells in games where you're townie; that's not acceptable play because you set yourself up to get killed later when the lynches matter more. For the first day, where we have pretty much no information and very little other than player skill and prior experiences to work with, your history of contributing nothing and fanning flames between townies does not help us at all. So yeah, given a choice between bad players and good players who have an equal chance to be mafia, I'm going to pick the bad players, because the good players can actually produce quality posts for the town. Foolishness, for instance, typically plays like complete garbage for 3 days to get mafia off his ass, but then he produces. MBH typically does not talk for 2 days, but then he produces. I mean, there are a number of players that I could have picked that are relatively weak, but it was between you and the upside down crew. Your one-liner garbage posts tipped me in your favor. | ||
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Who gives a crap that mafia kills me. Its caring about a wasted lynch down the road. The first day lynch is almost always up to chance because of a lack of information, but wasting a day 3 or 4 lynch on you after you've thrown down a bunch of mafia tells due to poor play is devastating and nets us quite a disadvantage. Normally in a game with clues it would be somewhat acceptable to let you run around saying stupid shit because I and others would be able to link or exonerate people using clues, but in a game like this you're just a liability.There's a reason I get killed by mafia early and you get yelled at by people who are confirmed townies. Its because despite not being 100% accurate (which I'd never claim to be), I also smoke out like 2-3 mafia per game. If you really had an issue with what I'm saying, I'd imagine you would drop the confrontational tone, because that's one of my criticisms, and I'd suggest that you actually deal with the issues I've brought up instead of trying to make this a war of egos. Do you honestly think you're going to drum up support for yourself by confirming all of the things I've said about you? Your posts still have no content other than defending yourself, and you're still causing fights, and you're still dropping mafia tells. I mean, I pretty clearly asked for another target earlier on. If you've got someone better, lets hear the case. If you want to reform yourself, do it. If you want to fight me and pretend your balls are made of a metal harder than mine, well you're shit out of luck. | ||
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On October 22 2009 10:34 Tricode wrote: One, mine was inactive people, such as those non speakers. (But I am now considering Redtooth cause of his bandwagon) Two, your words are equivalently or more useless then myself, so don't be talking. three, actual important issue have you brought up that actually contributes to the town? Slaying me is the crappiest suggestion. But you are right, I am getting to heated up with you and that is actually delaying any progress from both our sides. Also my defense points out if i you really feel like I am not mafia, then you should be looking for someone who you really believe does have potential in being mafia, instead of wasting the towns time with me. So with a little worthless things said here and there, I do have points that you should read. Though you seem to fail sometimes at doing that. See, lets deal with these: 1) pick someone. 2) no they aren't. I essentially am the reason for the last 4 pages of information we have. You attribute half the posts in the thread to me having balls. 3) killing terrible players isn't a bad suggestion. I also suggested when to determine who we vote for regarding the DT plan and also suggested we follow through with it. I have no idea if you're mafia or not, but at this point I'm not expecting anyone to be like "sup, day 1, no clues, lets out myself". The first vote is always a value added attempt. By talking about you I've seen who's come to your aid, who hasn't, who's posting, who isn't and how people are posting. There's quite a bit of information popping up, believe it or not. Information which we wouldn't have if i hadn't had the balls to actually suggest a person. And no, your posts have all been devoid of decent content, sorry. So, lets be cute here: Tricode, you want to be mayor, right? Pick someone. Not a 'group'. A person. Time to nut up or shut up. | ||
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Do you even want to be elected? | ||
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So yeah, give me someone else to lynch with a better rationale and I'm all for doing so, but until then I'm running on lynching tricode for stupid. Going by your definition, anyone who has been involved in this stupid argument with me and L, would fit your definition. Are you serious? You think getting people to pick sides and present two sides of something relatively clearcut is bad for the town? What ELSE were we going to talk about? We have a mayoral race with the majority of candidates trying to not really run, no clues, and nothing besides a DT issue we already solved. The only topic of conversation is who to kill and you're the only credible suggestion at this point. I told you a number of things you could do to not be the only credible suggestion but thusfar you seem to be just as defensive and belligerent. If you want to know who i'd kill with the mayoral lynch, it would be tricode. What we do for the DT lynch would be informed by the information we get from killing him. | ||
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On October 22 2009 12:08 Foolishness wrote: That's fine and all and I'm not saying my plan is perfect. But honestly what else are we going to do now? As L said, nearly all the mayor candidates are mia and all we got now is a plan so DT's can figure out their situation. Tricode is obviously not red and wanting to lynch him based off of his not contributing attitude or whatever is hardly a justification at all. At the very least you could pick an inactive to lynch. Was pretty obvious he's being a dumb townie like pretty much every other game he's been a dumb townie, but now we can't really examine people's reaction to the idea of killing him if we're going to admit it as the only option that fits his actions. But as a slight speedbump: there are zero inactive players in this game besides motbob as far as I can tell. | ||
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On October 22 2009 12:20 Tricode wrote: L, can we consider people who have very minimal post like 3 and under to be near inactive range? Clearly not, given the game's been going on less than a day and a bunch of very good players play quietly to focus on pms or to focus on not getting raped by mafia. If someone's talking, they're talking. Whether or not they're producing content or not depends on what they're saying: e.g. you were saying very little until I told you to shape your shit up. Now you're doing a bit better. | ||
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On October 22 2009 13:15 Tricode wrote: Actually i just started ignoring anything you really had to say about me. I would of shaped up when more seriousness came into play. Which I believe mostly came from incognito. Which is why you replied with vehemence and large posts. Sure. | ||
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On October 22 2009 18:13 Ace wrote: As for those of you thinking mafia usually just sit back and let shit happen - lol. That only works when the town is doing enough to kill themselves for you. Last time I was on the Mafia side I was actively planning out scenarios with Pyrr so we could stay a step ahead. Don't kill active, contributing players. Even if you think Tricode is worthless right now with no clues to go on killing actives will hurt even more at this point. Foolishness really is bad, and so is Shikyo based on that other game with JeeJee (lol). No one in their right mind would count the smurf game as credible to someone playing well since that entire game was a big cluster fuck of nonsense and half the people not even really trying. Sure, so pick someone else. Caller wants to kill pyrr, I'm killing tricode unless someone makes a good case for motbob or something, and that's pretty much the entirety of what people have decided on, lynch wise. Also: feel free to tell us who you're going to off if you get put in as mayor. | ||
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On October 22 2009 20:32 Amber[LighT] wrote: I don't want to be caught in the shitstorm when the two major elected officials end up killing people that voted for the opposite party. Plus I don't want to be responsible for electing someone the town ends up upset about. I think all of the candidates are shitty, by the way. You realize that despite saying you don't want to get caught in the shitstorm, the fact that caller is going to kill pyrr puts you straight in the middle of said shitstorm, right? Pretty shaky reasoning here. | ||
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Okay, so generally our games end at day 5 or so. Normally our plans of action revolve around securing a piece of important information by day 2-3 in order to be able to check pieces of hard evidence and smoke out some mafia. Generally when that fails, someone tries some powerplay and we either win or lose dramatically based on that. In the current game, we have 21 players, 2 kp, 1 double lynch and 4 mafia. Assuming we play as terribly as possible, the game ends for all intents and purposes if we hit 1 accurately once by day 5: Day 1: 17(4) Night 1:16(4) Day 2: 14(4) Night 2: 13(4) Day 3: 11(4) Night 3: 10(4) Day 4: 8(4) Night 4: 7(4) Day 5: 5(4) *Night 5: 5(3) Day 6: 3(3) Obvious loss without double Night 5: 5(2) with double Day 6: 4(2) Night 6: 3(2) Day 7: 2(2) game ends again. Put simply, barring vets, medics and such, we need to hit someone properly on night 2-3 to have enough breathing room to win. DTs need 2 dissimilar checks in order to self-verify, which means they know with certainty as whatever they are by day 3-4. The problem with this is that it leaves us with very little time to actually capitalize on DTs. What this means, simply put, is that we need to be accurate with a hit on days 2-4 if we want a decent chance at winning. If we can hit 2 during that time period, the game will become very town favored. Because of that, we need people producing content from the get-go. We need to be able to pin a few people down early on. This also means that DTs might be better off disclosing a 50% chance hit than waiting an extra day if we're nearing the "gotta hit every lynch" point. In other news: sup scamp. | ||
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On October 23 2009 03:44 Amber[LighT] wrote: Then kill me if you think what he does is suspicious. He's basically decided to kill one of our better players with no reasoning behind the choice and you think that's not suspicious? If he tried to build a case for the choice, sure, I could appreciate it a bit more, but he hasn't. | ||
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Especially 2 medics would be completely gamebreaking, Not really. They would all need to claim rather early, not get lynched, not get hit prior to claiming, etc. I really don't think we should assume that we have a certain number of a role given that they have been hidden from us on purpose. It could very well be that we have 0 vets and 2 medics as far as i can tell. | ||
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On October 23 2009 04:38 Shikyo wrote: I know you're right, there most likely are some roles that are completely unused. And if there are 0 vets that plan is going to backfire horribly. About medics though, well I think that having a complete autowin after lynching 2 mafia is quite imbalanced... I don't, really. They can still be lynched and the threat of a mafia fakeclaiming into the 'final 2' can let him ride a town ''autowin' straight to a mafia win. There's never an 'autowin' unless the numbers don't add up; when it comes to behavior, there is plenty of room for people to screw with others. Also: Scamp, feel free to post. | ||
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Either way, assuming a certain scenario will only lead us to make mistakes, lets just keep in mind that it is likely we have 0-2 of each role and use that, not a specific number, to inform our plans. | ||
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Seems like L and Ace are disagreeing. Here we go again! Not really, I simply dont' want to assume a certain number of vets. I have no qualm with having one of them claim; my issue is what happens if we get multiple claims. Also, can you stop this rhyming stupidity? thanks. | ||
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Accusing tricode got him into retard townie mode which pretty much confirmed what he was to me, but the way people reacted to his blather was far more worthwhile than I had hoped. In other news; please don't let me die tonight :3, i'm getting tired of being killed early in every game. (specially if you're a jerk like caller and make me die in the worst way possible). | ||
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On October 23 2009 10:21 Scamp wrote: Yeah L I have been doing the same "don't look at me I'm the unassuming bro" thing I've done in every mafia game so far. I haven't responded to your proddings due to very bad timing. I'll pick it up when we get more things going. Namely, when we start talking about both the first and second lynches, and also the results of Pyrr's lynch. Also I have played in four mafia games before this and I've only been non-mafia one time. That was my first game where Qatol was a mafia mayor and the town got slaughtered. We, uh, have been talking about the first lynch the entire time. That was the entire meat of the first day conversation which I personally started. | ||
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On October 23 2009 11:52 Scamp wrote: I meant the first and second lynches we all vote on. Not the mayor's auto-lynch. Sure you did champ. | ||
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Frankly, i'd rather not die on day 1-2 again, so i'm going to have to push the plan wherein i might get some sweet nursings instead of the one where my death clue involves impotence. | ||
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On October 23 2009 14:34 Ace wrote: But Pyrr can also be Mafia which is the only snag :/ Hence on Night 1 we have medics prot so just in case they pull a switch they are boned. If you really want to risk Pyrr releasing the names of the BGs to an outsider that assumes he has to be innocent - hence he can tell an innocent person fake BG names, or he can just keep it within the Mafia, or just give the list to the last remaining Mafia person. If neither of us die Night 1 whether they switched or not will become irrelevant once I can post the next part of my plan. If he's mafia and both bgs are mafia, your death is a pretty obvious sign that pyrr is mafia too. The fact that you suggest putting medics on protected targets actually gives him an out; a medic protected him. If he wants to be really fancy, the gf can claim medic and bam, the game's fucked. | ||
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Even if both his BGs were Mafia and I died that doesn't automatically make him guilty. Somehow, I think I'd trade 1kp and half the mafia for you and pyrr. If he's 'set up', both the bgs die and we win. C'mon Ace, think ahead 2 steps. | ||
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On October 24 2009 08:04 Ace wrote: I don't think I've ever said that. If I did it must have had to do something with the game setup. I'd prefer saving anyone that we don't have a good lead on over killing someone for information. I think L would be the one who'd go with that idea. That would be me for our normal games. This game, not so much given that the first day lynch is the only one we can't use to give dts information and given that mafia kp is so low that holding back lynches substantially slows our decent into losing town. | ||
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On October 24 2009 12:39 Qatol wrote: HeavOnEarth again: Imo motbob should be lynched, because the scenario is different now, we actually get information from his death. If he flips mafia ace is done. If he flips townie we have a good player in a protected position, and a medic can cover him all night as well. Blues can roleclaim to him and we can establish a circle of townies . Why would motbob flipping townie confirm Ace as town? | ||
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Second: The flip side to that is if both bodyguards are non-replacements, telling 2 additional people raises the chances that mafia learns about the bodyguards by 50%. If you're mafia, that's perfect, because you can eliminate the bodyguards, try to say one of the other information holders was the leak and then demand medic protection like you... already did. That essentially frees you up to kill whatever other office holder there is while claiming medic protection while getting the town to waste a lynch. Oh but wait, there's more. If you go through with doing so and drop a pardon onto whomever you decided to pin as the leak, now we're back 3 days, since we just wasted a day on the pardoned hit, the next day would be your death, and the day after that chances are we'd be forced to kill the pardoned person who might very well be innocent. 3 days is 6 mafia hits, putting us to a 7-1 trade for the play; not bad at all. If we're dumb and decide to hit the pardoned player before you, you might even get away scott free as you point towards the innocent corpse and state that you were trying to help town. Out of everyone in the town, telling you, or you telling pyrr when you get information is the worst possible idea; Neither of you can be DT checked when they confirm their sanity state, and neither of you can be mad hattered or vig'd once exposed. I hate to always be the negative nancy, but I'd rather not have us assume a bunch of information we don't have, then essentially get raped before even being able to play the game because of it. | ||
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Also I like Ace, but think Tricode's a fucking moron. My intense hatred of his gigantic buffonery should have come through rather clear. If you want, I can probably dredge up plenty of PMs between Ace and I making fun of both him and Vivi for horrendous play in prior games if you want. | ||
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he is at risk of dying tonight Which is why he tells an undisclosed person. if the mafia can hit him tonight, two of them die and they lose. ONLY in the 20% chance that pyrr tells a mafia member AND both members have been subbed in AND they assume no one else has been told can they act. Even then, for that huge gamble, they gain relatively little; you and pyrr die. The reverse situation, which is far more likely, is that you and pyrr are already protected and are now sopping up medic protections, and disclosing information gives mafia a nearly 50% chance of knowing who the bgs are. Mafia don't need to try to go balls in after they know this. In fact you know this, as we had that game wherein there was the fluke bg rape which got you and ver killed. 1 bg tonight. The other whenever. Doesn't even need to look like it came from a leak if they can push people into saying the right things. More likely, they'll just take the bg list and go "k, those guys aren't DTs or medics" and go find more important people to kill. I mean, seriously, unless you're DT for the seventh game in a row this is a terrible idea. | ||
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The remaining Ace/Pyrr will certainly be DT checked as well. And receive back Pardoner/Mayor.Awesome. | ||
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On October 25 2009 05:47 Ace wrote: ...wow If any of the BGs are green neither me or Pyrr can be killed, hence why it's all or nothing Medics have saved players plenty of times from being hit Unless one of you are mafia. Again, that's important. If you're mafia, this is a fantastic play for you; looks town positive, gives you the power to knock off pyrr and aids your bluesnipe. I still don't see why the threat of a second party knowing the BG identities/medic protection isn't enough in and of itself to prevent mafia from going balls in tonight. Seems you're dead set on believing mafia would trade half of their killing power to kill you, which I just don't believe warrants all of the risks this brings in. | ||
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On October 25 2009 06:59 Ace wrote: Subbing in only one BG makes no sense as they can't kill either of us until they kill the legit BG. Why would Mafia want to waste time? It's not half their killing power if no one finds out who did it and that's what I'm trying to convey. They switch both BGs, kill myself and Pyrr and no one knows who did it. We'd lose Mayor and Pardoner with no leads. Thats what I'm trying to avoid. I'm asking for medic protection because the possibility of it happening is very high. 1) why would they need to hurry up 2) why would no one know if pyrr discloses to a non-you person? I mean, I know its hard to read my posts because they have more than six letters in them, but I've gone over all of this shit before. But you know that, don't you buttercup. | ||
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can you tell us more about the behavioral clues without giving us names? or would it be too obvious? | ||
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In retrospect your method turned out to be the best choice since it obviously had an effect on mafia's blueradar, but it was also very risky. | ||
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On October 25 2009 13:01 Ace wrote: Jeezus Shikyo and RoL you guys are terrible. THINK. You just said yourselves I wouldn't need the BG lists because any other 2 random people would have done fine right? correct The Mafia definitely couldn't kill Pyrr + 2 randoms if he announced them publicly right? correct So what would be the only point of me wanting the Bodyguard lists? hmmm lets see...um I'm a DT and I can check them both to make sure they flip "blue". Then I'd just compare them with the 3rd person or a Vet RC and see if they flip "blue" also or flip any other color. If the Mafia killed the 3rd person I'd have my confirmed shot on Night 1, a lynch candidate on Night 2 to test and both bodyguards already lined up. In 1 Night I'd have 4 possible people to check my sanity on, 2 of them being very likely to be Mafia since the biggest power play (you know, the one no one else mentioned) was them subbing both bodyguards. However despite the fact that if I was Mafia I'd never even want the town to be highly aware of the sub, you guys think I'm suspect because I pardoned someone you all have literally no clue about and wanted to lynch. Think beyond your ass for a second. I could have easily said nothing, asked my supposed Mafia buddies to sub in the BGs, snipe Pyrr and there would be no way to trace it to me because technically I'd never ever have known who the BGs were anyway. Why oh fucking why would I go through all this trouble to make the town aware if I were Mafia? Different game, same fucking idiots. /facepalm Yeah, I basically prompted you to roleclaim before the night ended so we could make a move, but you didn't. The wine in front of me defense and the after-the-fact roleclaim look pretty bad. You could have made a perfectly fine pitch by stating you were a DT and giving us the details beforehand, yet you didn't. I really don't get this. | ||
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On October 25 2009 14:20 Ace wrote: look at the voting thread L O L Quite understandable granted your flip floppery. I personally understand your retarded way of going from point A to B, but don't expect vivi to. | ||
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Mafia Bodyguards, with the exception of the Godfather, show up as Mafia to Rolechecks and do not protect an innocent Mayor. as was pointed out by RoL. If he had read the text he pointed to, he would know this. But here's the problem. Ace wasn't told the bodyguard names by pyrr as far as we can tell, so how would he know that they're both blue? The answer is fairly obvious: he knows how many people were subbed in. How? Well, that's pretty obvious, isn't it? His check is on someone random and he is preventing us from going ahead with our day 1 plan to have a confirmed check, which he follows up by asking for bodyguard protection despite stating that the bodyguards are innocent. What have we learned here: ace is mafia, and both bodyguards are innocent. Alternate version: Ace doesn't FUCKING READ THE GODDAM RULES AND IS PLAYING LIKE A BUCKET OF ASSBALLS. :3 | ||
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Your first section referring to me does NOTHING to deal with my accusation regarding how you were talking. Take a step back and read your own goddam posts. Next: You mean you should go re-read Mafia 8 to see how Ace deals with DTs that can't be confirmed or DTs that accuse people without the ability to be proven. Both of which have already been bypassed this game. Ding-Dong is anyone home over there? Go read your posts in mafia 8; if you cared about checking Nemy's role we could have lynched a target that he checked much like we're going to be forced to this game if we don't kill you. But you didn't. More to the point, now we have DTs that take 2-3 days to check at the cost of a lynch too and its LESS suspect for you to claim? Okay. Not like you can't just claim you saw whatever, see the lynch then go "OH SORRY GUYS, I WASNT A PROPER DT, LETS TRY AGAIN". Ace rule on people who claim DT early: kill them. I'm sorry but I rather think you're on the mark here. The alternative is we potentially let a mafia member in office decide 3 of our lynches and pardon the fourth before lolling your way to an assured victory unless we hit EVERY. OTHER. LYNCH. Sorry kid, you ran out of juice this game. I'm more disappointed than anything else. You're contradicting yourself left and right and barely putting together a stable plan while assraping the plans we did have up and agreed on. What's more, you refuse to let us proceed with them because you're holding the pardon bat over our heads. Am I to assume that's pro-townie play? Seriously. | ||
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On October 26 2009 11:12 dreamflower wrote: Sorry, I'm not thinking clearly at all. Please completely disregard the part about checking DT sanity in my post, considering the DTs can't exactly check someone's role once they're dead. I guess that'll have to be left until the next Night, if at all. The part about Vivi and Chezinu acting suspicious still holds, though, so one of them could be the lynch for Day Three. Why are you posting so much this game? | ||
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On October 26 2009 11:27 Ace wrote: BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LYNChING PEOPLE JUST TO CONFIRM DTs. Get this through your thick fucking skull. It's not going to happen. We were never lynching people just to confirm DTs. The Idea was we'd choose during the night so that the DT could check prior to the day we lynch so we save a day/night cycle. Do you even read shit? | ||
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Accept/Deny? ( o II )b | ||
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On October 27 2009 10:34 Vivi57 wrote: ace played like shit and died because of it, I don't think we made any mistake killing him I honestly think we need to look at inactives now. The mafia would just sit back and watch ace kill himself while having to do nothing and bringing no suspicion to them. I know this includes me and if I'm caught in the crossfire of going after the inactives, oh well. I'm going to go eat now, someone should make a list of all the people who barely posted or didn't post from the start of ace yelling and his death. Not to personally point the finger at you, but this post is brilliant: What are people supposed to think when you tell people to look at inactives, then say you've been inactive and that you don't want to bother doing any of the work and are leaving? And not to ride his balls, but Ace made a very gutsy play, it was at least a move that produced a lot of content for us to look over. The only problem was the lack of kill confirmation from a night 1 agreed kill on day 2. | ||
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Even if Mafia did chill and watch the show (when it comes to votes), i would bet at least a min. of 1 voted for Ace. How do people feel about this statement? I mean, its kinda jumping the gun, but if they knew he wasn't mafia, they probably knew his roleclaim was legit and wanted him offed. Does that mean they'd vote for him? From the voter list, most of the people who voted have been fingered for suspicion earlier, but I'm not entirely certain that ensures that at least one is mafia. | ||
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On October 27 2009 12:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: with this last lynch, we are in a pinch three analysists down, and with a noose we dropped a crown with only a few analysists who still remain, the town will lean on them like a cane With the mafia most likely in those few, we might as well bow our heads in a pew May I suggest you stop posting like this is some kindergarten rhyme time and do some of the aforementioned analysis then? You aren't a second rate player, why are you on the sidelines? | ||
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Or a liar. | ||
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Alternative: you aren't and are faking it for fun. If you were green you might fake hatter to prevent yourself from getting killed. If you're red, well you'd be pretty dumb to claim vig, so you'd likely have picked hatter in an attempt to live until day 4 or so. I'm not sure which one you decided to claim, but that's my first impression of the situation. Either way, you're throwin' down a lot of tells. | ||
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On October 28 2009 09:28 SugiuraMidori wrote: Well then I'm glad you aren't any good at reading "tells", since not a damn thing you said about me is true, though some of those things would be rather clever. I'm better with clues. : (. Ver and MBH are much better with this blue identification business. | ||
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I was hit and saved by a medic. I'm also the (a?) veteran. If there's another DT, and I actually think there is given how weak DTs are this game, please verify me if you are close to establish your sanity so that we can make a ring of confirmed blues. If you checked Ace to determine what blue would show up as, you have enough locked down to prove me innocent. I am not fully confirmed as of yet because the hatter bombs that went off make it possible that I was hit by the hatter and not the mafia. Given that I've died on day 2 for the past like.. 5 games, I'm rather happy to be alive right now regardless. The medic, for obvious reasons, does not want a name dropped because they would die next night. I'm currently thinking over if revealing the name and having a confirmed townie for a day is worth it. I'm not going to take any decision without the medic's consent either. So that's the story boys and girls. Poke holes, get angry at me for not claiming earlier (i got reasons, yo), etc. | ||
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Pretty obvious: Ace checked judge instead of the target we were going to use at night. Since he had an unconfirmed check, getting me as confirmed blue wouldn't have solved his sanity; green/red would still be unconfirmable and if a second vet was in the game, we'd both be lynched off. The idea behind the vet plan was that we saved a second premeditated night lynch to assure someone's sanity, but that simply wouldn't be the effect if we assumed (which I did at the time) that Ace was the only DT, with the knowledge that he checked someone at random. Given that the medic intercepted a hit and that I was a vet, and given that I've been killed day 2 or day 3 for the last 5 games I've been in, I assumed I'd be killed right after Ace and I was correct. I was hoping, however, that the missing hit would sink into my vet protection and that I'd be able to claim immediately after wasting a mafia hit; the claim could be put off until today if that happened. | ||
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In other news: I am getting my wisdom teeth pulled out at 1:30 EST tomorrow. I will be high as a kite on codeine and amphoxilin or something. If I am acting dumb, it is because I care about you enough to type up posts between spoonfuls of jello despite having empty bleeding sockets in my mouth. In other other news: I've never had my wisdom teeth pulled out (duh) so I might be severely overestimating the strenuous nature of my recovery time afterwards. | ||
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I am not confirmed via hits, do not claim to me, please. The medic took a leap of faith in trusting me, but that doesn't mean everyone else should. That is why I asked a DT to check me to verify that I am what I say i am. Once sanities are confirmed I can organize a circle, but until then I'd suggest people don't risk anything. Now, time to read around. | ||
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On October 29 2009 05:02 Vivi57 wrote: It's pretty obvious chezinu is playing with the attitude, "I don't care who we kill, as long as it isn't me" unless he believes me, redtooth, *and* scamp are mafia, his voting indicates he doesn't give a shit if we lynch a townie and he only cares about staying alive. This leaves two possibilities: 1. he's playing really really badly, driving the town towards a loss 2. he's mafia, and it doesn't really matter who gets lynched because any non mafia death benefits him You're doing the exact same thing by trying to wagon him when you had a wagon on you. Regardless of anyone's role, its always in their best interest to not die unless there's a plan that's much larger than them swirling around. (someone being targetted for DT checks, for instance, during this game). | ||
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Original Message L : Different situation today gave me a different goal. Because I was claimed to, and I now have the ability to form a group of confirmed townies. In order to confirm myself I needed to reach out and ask to see if a second DT was in the game. The only alternative would have been to out you to the public to get blue names, but the problem would be that you would die in the process. At this point I don't want to die for the above reasons whereas before I wanted to get hit. Now that they know i'm going to take 2 days of full kp, i'm almost unhittable from a mafia perspective which gives me enough protection to stay alive while a DT finishes their sanity check and then confirms my role. At that point I become a mouth for every blue in the game, and we win relatively quickly. ----------------------------------------- Original Message Medic: WIth that logic, what was the point in claiming Vet now? You got protected, you just needed to say you were protected. Not that you were a vet (which means they won't try and hit you again most likely) While the plan prior gave them incentive to try and kill you. ----------------------------------------- Original Message L: The reasoning is pretty obvious; The job of a vet is to get hit. Claiming when we don't achieve the goal that we set out to achieve under conditions when I know i'm going to get hit (I've been hit on day 2 or day 3 for five games in a row) completely invalidates the role. ----------------------------------------- Original Message Medic: I still think you should of role claimed earlier and don't get why you didn't, I don't get the reasoning. Even if Ace said he checked Judge, before he even came forward with that I think I said the Vet should of role called then. Read from the bottom upwards. I haven't asked the medic if I can post this, so I've taken the liberty of slightly changing his statements so that its harder to figure out who he is from the writing style. The meaning and content of his questions, however, are not changed, and besides for the single bold note I put in, my messages, however, are directly copy/pasted. | ||
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On October 29 2009 23:56 Scamp wrote: So you become a mouthpiece for the blues, and we win the game relatively quickly. Excellent. A DT needs at least two nights to determine their sanity, and that's assuming they're able to check people who actually die. So we need three nights of NO HELP FROM YOU in order for the DTs to confirm their sanities. That's 6KP worth of mafia kills, and that's the best-case scenerio. Furthermore the DT hasn't checked anyone alive at this point so they need even more nights to get any useful information. So considering you want to be the mouth of all the blues in the game, and also considering your plan takes over three nights to execute, how about giving us some ideas on who to lynch or what to look for? Because that would, you know, be helpful. Why are you ignoring all of my posts? And the date and times of these messages would be nice. Except that the DT has already checked me on day 1 and can already confirm that if i'm blue, i'm vet. I need 1 more lynch for him to be certain of his sanity if we don't hit another blue, which is why we're pre-picking someone tonight to get that squared away. More to the point, how is this 'no help from me'. What do you want me to do? Shoot a magic wand at the game and magically make us win on day 3? That's why he claimed to me; because all the facts add up. And i'm not ignoring you. The entire set of PMs was given out specifically because you asked why I claimed. I'm rather glad you're actually posting this game; whether its because you knew i'd try to kill you if you stayed silent or because you're not mafia for once is still up in the air for me, but at least you aren't suicide bombing me. | ||
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Then you are the veteran who didn't claim earlier when there was a plan in effect to do so but now is a good time to do so? The plan was to have a DT check someone who we pick during the night, then have him check a claimed vet the next day to confirm his sanity. Ace didn't check someone who was picked so revealing myself wouldn't confirm his sanity. Revealing myself at that point would have been a shit use of a roleclaim given the reasons posted above. Since I am common a target for mafia to hit, wasting my ability to soak up a hit would have been a waste. I didn't 'complain' about being hit early, i factored it into my decision as to whether or not I should roleclaim. It just doesn't make sense to me. That's because you aren't reading the thread. I just told you the answer to all of these things, and now I'm repeating them because you couldn't be bothered to read. I thought he claimed to you because he protected you last night and got a message confirming that he protected you from something. Has anyone else claimed to you, by the way? Uh, a DT has claimed to me after I asked a DT to check me. This was pretty obvious in my last post. I didn't really want to reveal the confirmed existence of the second DT, but he claimed to me based on the fact that he checked me on day 1 and turned up veteran.I'd have REALLLLLLLLLY have preferred to not make this information public, but if I die to some highly suspicious wagoning from people who have been largely inactive until the last 2 pages, I would fucking go on tilt. | ||
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And the part about the medic? About him claiming to you because the facts added up? No, the Dt claimed to me because the facts added up. The medic claimed to me because they protected me, but didn't realize that they could stop hatter bombs. That's why I've asked people to not confide any additional information to me until there is assured evidence of my being blue. What information are you making public? Stuff that you said is really obvious in your last post? All I've ever wanted is some direction from you. Simple, really. You're working with some DT and a Medic (at least) and pre-picking someone to check and kill to confirm you. All this despite the fact that the DT has already claimed to you and therefore trusts you. I sure hope you manage to pick someone non-blue on this attempt. The timing of the DT certainty is what i revealed. Mafia might have believed, like you, that they had 3 days of fucking around time, but now they know that unless they kill the DT tonight, they're in for a world of trouble. The DT figured on the balance of probabilities that the likelihood of him getting a blue 'veteran' check on me and me claiming veteran without even knowing that he checked me was enough proof for him to trust me. I don't want to give anyone directions regarding roleclaiming until people can be iron-clad in their certainty that I am who I say I am because unlike Ace I'm not going around asking people for information that could harm the town. I don't want to ask people to make a leap of faith and trust me, I just want them to look at their available options and pick the best ones available to them. At this point, I wouldn't claim to me unless I knew what these two players do, so I'm not going to tell everyone to believe me. Furthermore, you haven't voted for a lynch once. Why is this? I normally vote very close to the end of the voting period so that I can take in the maximum amount of thread and voting information before making my choice, which means that I sometime end up not being able to get to a computer prior to voting. You can see this in prior games if you feel like going to check. As for not having 'voted' for lynch, I was pretty adamant that I'd kill Tricode on our first day until he started producing content and I didn't hide the fact that Ace was playing like a sack of donkeyballs the second day, so its not like I play neutral. As for you, you've voted to abstain during the Ace vote, which is odd because you're all over everyone else's balls about how that vote turned out. You could have easily made the case for someone else over him and tried to actually vote for them. I actually took a side and put something on the line, you stayed silent. Why is this? Why is it that you try to criticize me for things you're double guilty of and fail to read my points? and a dt day 1 checks you and you flip vet and get a rc? The dt claimed after I asked for a DT check today. I had no idea there was another DT and was kinda throwing it out there as a shot in the dark because I honestly believed we had a single DT until I decided to balls up and ask. I don't think anyone knew there was another DT to check until I got RC'd to either, nor have you been posting. I asked you specifically to start thinking and start producing content and you flat out refused me. I'm glad you decided to start posting, though. As for voting today, I obviously will be. | ||
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Your "side" was that Ace was playing like ass. Which ended up getting him killed. I fully stand by the fact that it was my responsibility because I did think it was the right move at the time. Your abstaining, on the other hand had the exact same effect; you refused to come to his aid when he needed it, but you did so as to feign disinterest, not a commitment to the lynch result. I really don't see how you could be a larger hypocrite when it comes to this. What were the other reasons for revealing the medic and a DT are in your pocket? I must have failed to read that point. The medic was revealed the moment i got hit, because people who get hit should always make that public. The DT was because you thought I was going to be doing nothing for 3 days and had no plan which was why you were so ragin' cajun on me.Short version: You are. Did you ever answer this question? You could probably do it for me; that segment of our conversation was linked to why I had claimed when I claimed. Could it be that we talked about something else afterwards which I'd rather not have the mafia know about? Whoa. This medic and DT friend of yours cannot be confirmed. And if that's the case, why reveal them now? The medic is confirmed to me; He saved me from a hit. The DT could be non-confirmed, but I know that his ability should accurately pinpoint blue roles, so he's fucked if I ever cross-check a rolecheck. If he's mafia, he can't kill me prior to me knowing he's a liar. Seeing as he's going to be used, in part, to confirm blues, he's just sealed his fate if he's lying. Based on some information I just got, I'm probably going to have him check a few blues prior to letting them into the circle. Also, you've confirmed a third DT, not a second one, unless you think Sugiura is a liar. I have no idea if Sugiura is a DT, and if she is why she would claim publicly without some immediate payoff. I kinda think she's still a hatter trying to get blown up, since that explains the lists and the suicidal behavior. | ||
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I was thinking I'd vote for vivi today; if he flips red then we know that redtooth is also mafia if sugi isn't lying and then we can kill him tomorrow. If not, we can get our DT friend(s) to check chez tonight and lynch him tomorrow, but given that some people seem adamant that he isn't mafia that might not be an option. Between the two I think vivi and chez are both around equally suspicious, but the information we gain on redtooth seems to be the deciding factor for me. Thoughts? | ||
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On October 30 2009 11:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: wat? are you sure? i wanted to switch to Vivi 3 minutes late. No big deal, both candidates were fairly similar. Lets hope we get something good out of this. | ||
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So what do we have DT wise now and who are we going to kill tomorrow? | ||
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On October 30 2009 11:53 SugiuraMidori wrote: For anyone that doesn't catch it... I just sorta gave a 3-person medic list if you'd like to make use of it. Though not protecting me would be sad story. If folks would like to help choose who I check each night from now on, that's fine too. Are you confirmed with your sanity at this point? | ||
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Thread's a bit slow, so feel free to discuss. | ||
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Will post a bit more after I finish showering and getting my thoughts in order. | ||
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Or rather, if he did save me, he sure as hell wasn't the person who claimed to me, and I know my medic stopped the hit on sugi (and is talking to sugi) so I'm certain he's legit. | ||
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On November 02 2009 10:18 Tricode wrote: Didn't you say you know another DT other then midori? What's going on about that one? Does that DT know their sanity and can give us information, through you as the DT's voice? I know of another DT besides sugi, and sugi knows who it is. The problem is, this DT forgot to check someone on day 2, so that's thrown a rather gigantic wrench in our wheels because its 1) really suspicious and 2) delays the check. | ||
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Having a 9-1 vote tells you a lot less than having a tied vote which a single vote overturns. | ||
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So were you wrong on this? I wasn't. Sugi partially dealt with the problem in her longish post so i left it at that. We'll have more information after the next set of night checks. | ||
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I'd be dead if I missed 2 votes. | ||
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On November 03 2009 00:40 Qatol wrote: Ver is your retard, don't lump me in with the likes of him! In all seriousness, L voted for Ace late day 1 and Ver forgot to take him off the "No Vote" list when he added him to the "Ace" list. Ok lol, ( o II )b | ||
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How come people that suspected Vivi before don't suspect him now? Because we have a confirmed DT with confirmed sanity who checked him as green. Try to keep up with the thread before you go into hyper defensive porcupine mode. | ||
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Oh wait, we had this information during the Chezinu/Vivi vote. But the DT wasn't confirmed and didn't know if the two were green or red. Hence the entire pretext which your now confirmed blue medic friend went to lengths to defend, and the reason we lopped off cobbler's head. You can't go back 2 days and pretend that we knew what we do now. That simply doesn't work. You really need to stop trying to cherrypick soundbytes while ignoring their context. | ||
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DTs can confirm their sanity type to Qatol in the form of a one time guess in order to unscramble all of the missing blue information after they're positive they have their sanity down pat. There's no suspicion now because we know that the result of the rolecheck is 100% green. Prior, the DT check gave the option of vivi and redtooth being either red or green, just not blue. Once confirmation of sanity happened, we learned that it was 100% green and the suspicion obviously went away. | ||
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On November 04 2009 09:57 Scamp wrote: Well this was when there were three living reds but yeah, I understand the scenerio is unlikely. Also it seems L of all people just voted to help keep me alive while I was writing that long thing. Will wonders never cease! I know you're green but your death gives Shikyo his confirmation. If he dies, there's no point for you to die as well. Mostly I'm just seeing if someone's got the balls to switch the vote up again. | ||
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Sugi, if we're using the third party check system you talked about, now's the time to pick (or pick someone to pick) and get shikyo confirmed. | ||
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it was also L's vote that killed you FYI. well, to be fair, I was also the one that pushed him to the tie breaker. I voted because scamp wasn't on the no-vote list, so I assumed he voted (i checked if he voted shikyo to see if he could swing the vote too) if anyone had the balls to kill someone who could have been a DT, we would have had a good suspect to go on today, but then Ver's voting hilarity kinda got in the way, because scamp didn't actually vote for anyone. Him voting for himself totally ruined what I was trying to do, so I just brought things back to the pre-me intervention status. I was actually going to vote for him, then abstain to re-tie things with scamp ahead as was previously desired, but I was pretty much the last vote so I didn't bother. Either way, we need to get rolling on checking shikyo, so sugi plz stop being afk :3 | ||
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Didn't you say you wanted to hold your rolecheck back so that we could have a third party give both of you someone random to check so we could see if he had DT powers or not? | ||
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Really not happy with this emotional play from all involved parties. | ||
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK. | ||
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I am so angry right now. This is fucking retarded. | ||
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On November 05 2009 11:06 Qatol wrote: Umm Paramedic - You have the ability to prevent one hit per night on a player of your choice, besides yourself, during the night. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person and the target will know if he was saved. However, the town will know nothing of the event. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supercedes theirs. I see that edit on the first page. You can't get cute with me. | ||
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From: RebirthOfLeGenD [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: O_o Date: 11/4/09 12:33 The rules actually don't state that I can't protect myself, so I guess I will try. The timing of the edit as a reaction to Rebirth actually trying what was said, as well as the fact that I personally checked indicate a conspiracy. I guess rebirth tried but didn't tell me he was told otherwise. Still, I'm fucking angry. | ||
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>: | fucking cockpenisdong I'm going to go fucking install borderlands and shoot shit to calm down. | ||
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The problem, however, is that there aren't 2 possible GFs. There are 9. I used to think GFs could only pretend to be a blue role and that you were 100% confirmed legit because RoL blocked a hit on you and that you knew something that I didn't about shikyo via pms, which is why I thought there was something behind the "its gotta be amber/shikyo/L" statement. Turns out, however, that none of the above are true. I always wondered why mafia would hit a target when I specifically made it pretty clear in the thread that you were going to get protected that night. I just talked to Qatol and it seems that mafia can target their own players for hits, meaning that the hit after chez died could have been a pretty easy method of fucking with the medic, especially after chez got raped and they needed a trump to counteract that. Additionally, the godfather can flip green, yet there's been pretty much zero talk of any of the green players being the GF despite this being pretty much the exact play that chezinu made in the first game where he brought this brown crap in. Seeing as he's part of the mafia, it would make sense for him to advise someone else to do the exact same 'green and keep your head down' strategy. That's not even to accuse you, but to show you that there are 9 possible people who could be godfather, including yourself, if we look at all the options, yet you've arbitrarily decided that its shikyo and me while casually brushing off the fact that you've once again delayed getting shikyo confirmed. As for who knew RoL was the medic; I specifically told RoL to claim something else (vig/hatter) and that he shouldn't have pseudo claimed in the thread. I also told him to protect himself (which sadly, as you've seen above, turned out to not work). From the timing of the PMs and the edit, when I told him that I wanted him to protect himself, it was prior to the rules being errata'd, which I wasn't even aware of until Qatol linked them. I did more than anyone else in the game to keep RoL alive through this night. RoL fucked up when, to satisfy Scamp's curiosity, he let out that he knew everything that was going on in our PM ring. See, because with that piece of information, someone could mosey on over to your list and wonder why a green with no checks on him would know all that stuff. If he's in our ring, someone checked him, or he claimed/was confirmed as blue. Add 1 + 1 and any mafia who was looking for the medic knew he was the only role we hadn't revealed to that point: the last medic. Gee... I wonder how Shikyo could have gotten all of them right with out being a dt? The first two were claimed before shikyo said he checked them. He reacted to my claim about being a vet, and then didn't answer me until halfway through the next day when I asked him about his BC check. By then he could have learned about his role from RoL, sugi, pyrr or BC himself, since he claimed it in the thread prior to shikyo PMing me back. Scamp being anything but green when shikyo knew all of the identities of the blues at that point via our ring would have been very hard to accept, but even if he was wrong, he could have blamed the difference to his DT alignment, since he had only checked blues up until then. Zero of his checks involved any risk. | ||
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I also find it hilarious that despite the only piece of evidence being brought up against me, the fact that RoL was known to me, hasn't been questioned given the fact that pyrr himself at the top of the page basically admits that a bunch of people knew, especially given the fact that between RoL's claim and sugi's list, he was known to everyone from yesterday forward. I mean, if the only plan we can come up with is 'murder all our blues' and no one in the town even bothers questions that, something is deeply wrong. | ||
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You're right that there has to be a reason the mafia are still in the game, since after Chez died, it would seem that they would conceed. So the idea is that they have to have some form of Ace in the hole. At the time that Chez died, infund and scamp were trying to get me killed, so L as a trump during that time period would have been a pretty shitty one. Its very odd, however, that after checking pretty much everyone in the game, no one's popped up as mafia. Amber's begging to be checked, so he's pretty much gf or bodyguard and very unlikely to be the last non-gf mafia. Motbob's said nothing pretty much all game which makes him potentially mafia, but frankly he was pretty heavily accused early on and nothing came of it. I wanted to go back and see where that would lead, tbh, to see exactly what motbob's been doing and such, but I'm going to have to present what I've got thusfar: The only rational explanation for this that I can think of is that one of the DTs isn't one. It strikes me as a bit crazy that we would have a hatter, THREE dts, 2 medics, a vet, and potentially a vig or something in pyrr or motbob, but that's unlikely. If that's the case, then either shikyo's or sugi's 'checks' aren't actually checks, but substitutions. Since shikyo's checks are all pretty much confirmed besides me, and since I know his check on me is accurate, it seems unlikely to me that he would be the GF. He doesn't have an out and he's slated to die soon. Once he dies, if he's the GF, his non-GF mafia is dead within 2 days as the weight of checks crushes his team. If shikyo is mafia, they would have conceeded. That is why I didn't want to have him killed yesterday. That leaves sugi, who until today I thought was 100% confirmed, but now I discover she isn't. The plans I've set up to get the detectives confirmed so that we could get everyone credibly checked was ruined not by me, but by sugi. We wanted to crosscheck her and shikyo to see who was lying, but she chickened out. She blames it on rage. RoL's death was precipitated in part due to her bungling of her list. She blames it on me. Additionally she's been trying to kill off shikyo who's most likely a goddam DT instead of using our plan to check him. And she had cobbler killed after convincing him to suicide himself in PMs, as far as I can tell. As soon as shikyo dies, none of her checks can be verified as well. If i die and flip blue, sugi already has an excuse built in: it was shikyo. If shikyo dies and flips blue, she can claim amber, pyrr or any of the greens. Regardless of what happens, she can, and has been, accusing people that we've DT checked and then tries to get them killed. It seems the only possible reason that mafia are still in the game is that sugi is the GF. | ||
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I didn't jump from shikyo to midori at all. I've been defending shikyo the entire game against midori of all people. I saved him from dying. We don't know if anything that sugi has 'checked' is correct. The default is green, and we knew most of the blues. The fact that we have almost nothing left to check and we still haven't found any reds is pretty telling that something is wrong. Would be very interesting if you were the covert green, but I rather suspect redtooth over you. | ||
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On November 06 2009 06:38 Tricode wrote: At one point you were voting to lynch Shikyo, how can you say you were trying to defend shikyo the entire game? Err, which point was that, champ? The point where scamp was ahead and after he tried to save himself I single handedly saved shikyo? Oh. | ||
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On November 06 2009 07:18 Tricode wrote: What makes this the most difficult is that you had this circle and no matter what happens it seems like this circle you guys created decided to tell everyone everything. (Basically it seems like people fucked up the circle to where a good thing for the town went bad) The problem is you all can throw this (oh we had this circle and x knew y) there is something wrong with what everyone has done so far in this game (including midori) but because of this circle that you all created and decided to blab to much to each other (whether you did or not, can only be believed after the game is over, i am not trying to point fingers at who blabbed what out when they shouldn't have. My only point is the circle you were in screwed up and mafia took advantage of it) So we come to this problem, who to believe becomes difficult cause you all seem to share for the most part the same information. So in your final hours (unless you can really prove someone is mafia or can give us more comfort in believing you are not red) i believe you should do what ever you can to help the town (if you are townie) because so far you are still a mafia candidate. Though if you are right in your assumption that would explain redtooth (which i actually hope you are wrong so the town can just go win this) Now to add this. If midori was truly mafia (including redtooth) does everyone else truly believe they could be so determined in this game that they both believe they could win this with 1 kp when with this lynch or even after this we will get at least one of them, and then eventually get the last? Are these last two players in your opinion considered to be skilled enough to hide and hurt the town as much as they have? (basically would you considered them a vet that would balance the mafia team out if the game did have some type of balance system going on.) I'll address the points from the bottom up. Chez and Judge are not poor players. Judge has been shown to be very, very strong in no-clue games from his performance on mafiascum, and Chez has tugged mafia to victory by laying low as the godfather in the past. Now, if sugi and redtooth, or sugi and you or sugi and pretty much anyone that sugi checked turn out to be mafia, you have 1 top tier player in the format, 2 fairly strong players, and 1 straggler. That looks fairly standard. On the topic of determination; it explains the potential self hit and why no one talked about it. While I made it very clear that I wasn't confirmed, sugi basically ran off with the title and has killed off only blues and greens. I deferred to her during the time I was certain she was confirmed because I assumed people had claimed to her and told her additional information, but from these last few pages, especially her check on you when we were supposed to solve her v shikyo once and for all have thrown a mountain of doubt onto her. Now, for what I can do for the town, I can tell you this; If sugi is the GF and we kill me or shikyo today, we lose. Flat out. No one else has had the balls to stand up to her and that's likely not going to change. The excuses that she uses today will not change tomorrow. She needs to die tonight so that we can have shikyo check redtooth because its most likely that this is the check pair where the non-GF mafia is. If sugi isn't the GF, then all her checks are validated, which puts us in a fantastic position to kill the non-GF. We have shikyo check amber instead of redtooth, then we lynch motbob. If neither of those turn up red, we kill pyrr, the last possible choice. Once we get this information (and we get it in 2 days, max.) we should have 5 people remaining. This will 100% net us a mafia. As for the propriety of the circle, I agree that people fucked up. I was the only person to explicitly in the thread tell people to not claim to me, whereas everyone else was wide open for it. I talked to very few people about very little information because I didn't want to spread information to people who shouldn't have it. The people who did most of the talking were RoL and Sugi, to my knowledge, but I rarely talked to sugi (think we have like 2-3 PMs between us tops), and I only confided in RoL because I 100% knew he could trust. I basically asked shikyo for his checks and revealed them whenever he would tell me about them to keep him safe. That vomitting of information around is precisely why I want to have a little chat with the players in this game after its done. RoL's move basically got himself killed with no consequences to the killer. But here I notice you forget something. You say that sugi and I had equivalent information, but that's not true. If you read the game, you'd know that sugi was in a PM ring with chez and shikyo around day 2, and that all of the members, according to what sugi said, had claimed to each other. If that's the case, and this is very important, why was sugi not killed night 2, or 3 for that matter? We know mafia knew about 2 potential DTs, yet none of them were hit. This tells us with certainty that the mafia had a plan to 'deal' with the DTs before they became dangerous, which heavily implies that one of the DTs was fake and going to throw out false information. Sugi also adamantly defended chez for the majority of the game and heaped suspicion on shikyo the entire time. But yeah, there was a mountain of poor play by the people in the circle. Shikyo missing a check, RoL basically claiming for no reason, Sugi not following the play we had both worked out to check her and shikyo, etc. I can't really explain away any of it, but as RoL shows, its possible to screw up and still be innocent. Its more the magnitude and method of the explanation that sugi has used that makes me very suspicious of her. | ||
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On November 06 2009 08:34 motbob wrote: You are being clueless at best and lying at worst if you say that Chez is a good player. To say that him being idle when he was GF in Plexa's game is somehow an indicator of skill seems disingenuous. Simply looking at his posting will show you that he isn't taking the game seriously at all. Maybe I'm being too nice. If I make my middle category "average" the point gets across all the same. | ||
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Why is it that I don't think that adds up? If you thought he was the GF and voted to have him killed during the double lynch, why wouldn't you post this information then? Lets look at this portion of your post: However, according to my plan, it doesn't matter if we kill L, and it in fact gives us more information.. with him showing red or GF !yay!.. if he shows blue, then we know Shikyo is probably legit, so we can go after Amber (if he turns red when I check him) motbob, and Pyrr. First off, yeah, it matters if we kill a blue. Second if you're GF, shikyo could easily die tonight, or you could slow play that too, granted that you've set up a bunch of fake green checks. Third, Amber/motbob/pyrr might all be innocent if you aren't. But lets assume I die tonight and flip blue, then shikyo gets hit and flips blue. Your reaction to that is to kill off amber, another blue, then motbob, who should be checked by the legit DT, then pyrr who also is blue. Basically you've just gutted all of the town's abilities besides yours and people are happy with that. Why does that seem odd to me? Well, probably because we have this left. Lets look at the above scenario in terms of days spent doing it. 8. Amber[Light] (Night 7) 9. Pyrrhuloxia Mayor (Night 8) 10. L (Day 6) 11. Tricode 12. Vivi57 (Day 7) 14. Sugiuramidori 16. Shikyo (Night 6) 18. Motbob (Day 8) 19. Redtooth Assuming you are GF and you have someone hiding in the greens, as long as you ransack the blues like you propose in the that post, mafia wins. | ||
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haha, gg all. | ||
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On November 07 2009 12:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I have wanted to say this for so long. You and Shikyo both knew my role, and I knew one of you was mafia. Also how the fuck did two people die tonight? That doens't make sense. Edit: Modkill lawl I am dumb. Obviously I cant just say "lol i am mafia, i'm not angry at all that a medic died. silly. Anyways, that's my last derailment . | ||
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The hit on midori was actually me trying to kill myself, because I thought she was a hatter who had bombs on me, and I wanted to go out in a flashy manner. | ||
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On November 08 2009 04:36 SugiuraMidori wrote: Yeh, as soon as Tricode told me that Shikyo was MIA.. and then it was followed by motbob doing the same.. I realized motbob was 40% innocent.. so I made up a lie that I already checked him and he came back red, so he could just gg now.. Then he returned a VERY convincing answer about how if he was mafia he'd already have gg'd, as well as mentioning that my DT check claiming him red implied my sanity claim was wrong.. proof enough that he wasn't red... I passed it on to Tricode, and was going to have him just pass on the Amber was blue check to town upon my death.. but then at the last moment I realized it no longer mattered.. I can say gg to Pyrr and not have to actually die :D So yeh, despite my rage moment that one day, and going after L with a bit too much vehemency, this was a fun game overall. The moment with L was super intense, guess that's how he tries to defend himself when he's guilty? Interesting approach. Can't give up all my secrets, but that's pretty much the way I'll defend myself regardless of if I'm blue, green or red. | ||
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On November 08 2009 05:01 dreamflower wrote: My favorite PM of the game: From: vx70GTOJudgexv [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: How the fuck? Date: 10/29/09 07:43 How the fuck did you figure to put a bomb on me lol?!! Because someone wasn't afraid when his role was revealed to town as paramedic. Mafia obviously gon kill u. | ||
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Yeah, he didn't know his vote would count for 2 because of how the voting worked the day before, and he couldn't really go back and change it without dropping huge hints as to who he was. We really weren't happy with that, but oh well. | ||
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On November 08 2009 06:08 Qatol wrote: It didn't matter though. Chez still had the tiebreaker even if Pyrr had only used 1 vote. You know very well how early votes affect the outcome, and how hard it is for mafia to influence votes nearer to the end. It mattered plenty. | ||
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On November 08 2009 06:31 Qatol wrote: I don't know how much it mattered that pyrr used an extra vote in the lynch unless people were JUST looking at numbers and not WHO was voting or WHY Chezinu was being voted for..... I still don't think this misunderstanding had a huge effect on the game. People love numbers, bro. | ||
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I think ppl are more interested in trying to get me killed I make it a priority pretty much every game to get someone in office killed. So far, so good. | ||
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We were SO slack this game its unreal. | ||
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On November 11 2009 12:50 Qatol wrote: ..... I was hoping these PMs were jokes..... From: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Has the Godfather been picked yet? Date: 10/23/09 13:11 ok, thanks ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yeah, everyone else voted for L ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Did you pick a godfather yet? From: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Who are we killing? Date: 10/23/09 13:33 He isn't part of the IRSC. I'm going to start my own organization. The only not in the IRSC who is part of the organization is BC. The only mafia member I made contact with was judge. I've never even seen L before. I have in fact seem the letter L on a tv before that symbolically represented L. It was so cool! Who would of thought that L would stand for L! And pyrr has no sense of humor and he likes playing solo - learn that from previous games. We made most decisions without him. Toward the end of the game he was more involved, however. Playing solo is ok, but having no sense of humor makes me not want to talk to him. For Judge, I only talked with him a little bit at the beginning of this game. He told me he was suprised by the lack of communication. So I decided to play as a townie and start my own revolutionary organization made of me mad hatters, vigs, and you name it. We shall triumph! ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Why don't you ask L? We haven't even moved to night yet haha. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Can you let me know who we are going to kill? Rofl, nope. | ||
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