TL Mafia XV

On October 21 2009 16:14 redtooth wrote:
the Ketchup Alliance would like to hold a press conference concerning recent allegations involving "Chezinu". we would like to publicly announce that the Ketchup Alliance is not affiliated with the individual named "Chezinu" in any way, shape or form. he is a member of the local mafia and his actions should be dealt with in the harshest manner as soon as possible.

On October 22 2009 04:23 Tricode wrote:
sure...yeah list....i'll get right on it....sure...yeah... lol....sigh...this joke got old didn't it?

I think we should actually be discussing the plan about the Dt's and who we should choose to lynch.

I still believe it should be an inactive player. I don't think the mafia really need to talk much in the begin, though some might.

On October 22 2009 19:44 Shikyo wrote:

And you really are bad based on the game where the town lynched their electees, right?

On October 23 2009 08:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
my dear earth, may haps you give us rhymers some birth, you fail to play the game, and instead put it to shame, so please keep your talk to the norm, or else we shall have to lock you in your dorm!

On October 23 2009 09:33 HeavOnEarth wrote:
stop with the attention whore spacing, although the spacing does make it look like your post has some content (which it doesnt)

why would he post in riddles to his own mafia members, first of all.
second, this argument is null and void when applied to a decent player, he could easily just as change behavior or keep the same one as either role.

On October 23 2009 11:02 Qatol wrote:
Ummm nobody has PMed me yet.... I assume Pyrr is still lynching motbob? Ace are you pardoning? Mafia are you making anyone a bodyguard?

On October 23 2009 14:03 L wrote:
The alternative is that pyrr can tell, or threaten to tell someone. If mafia go balls deep, they lose half their members and the game. in the event that pyrr tells a mafia member who the bgs are, when they die early, he can just tell us who he told and we have a kill right there.

Frankly, i'd rather not die on day 1-2 again, so i'm going to have to push the plan wherein i might get some sweet nursings instead of the one where my death clue involves impotence.

On October 23 2009 14:06 Incognito wrote:


What if he tells a mafia member and both BGs are mafia?

On October 23 2009 14:48 L wrote:

If he's mafia and both bgs are mafia, your death is a pretty obvious sign that pyrr is mafia too.

The fact that you suggest putting medics on protected targets actually gives him an out; a medic protected him. If he wants to be really fancy, the gf can claim medic and bam, the game's fucked.

On October 24 2009 08:01 Vivi57 wrote:
goddamn

I voted ace for pardoner over tricode because I didn't *want* anyone to be pardoned.


In the past, ace has specifically said that pardoning is bad because it sets the town behind a day.

On October 25 2009 03:16 L wrote:
First off: the vet might not claim because if there are 2 vets in the game, both of them die and we're basically fast forwarded to day 4 with no kills. This isn't a 'small' concern. Its a huge hole in the plan. If we gamble and come up short, we're in big trouble.

Second: The flip side to that is if both bodyguards are non-replacements, telling 2 additional people raises the chances that mafia learns about the bodyguards by 50%.

If you're mafia, that's perfect, because you can eliminate the bodyguards, try to say one of the other information holders was the leak and then demand medic protection like you... already did. That essentially frees you up to kill whatever other office holder there is while claiming medic protection while getting the town to waste a lynch.

Oh but wait, there's more. If you go through with doing so and drop a pardon onto whomever you decided to pin as the leak, now we're back 3 days, since we just wasted a day on the pardoned hit, the next day would be your death, and the day after that chances are we'd be forced to kill the pardoned person who might very well be innocent. 3 days is 6 mafia hits, putting us to a 7-1 trade for the play; not bad at all. If we're dumb and decide to hit the pardoned player before you, you might even get away scott free as you point towards the innocent corpse and state that you were trying to help town.

Out of everyone in the town, telling you, or you telling pyrr when you get information is the worst possible idea; Neither of you can be DT checked when they confirm their sanity state, and neither of you can be mad hattered or vig'd once exposed.

I hate to always be the negative nancy, but I'd rather not have us assume a bunch of information we don't have, then essentially get raped before even being able to play the game because of it.

On October 25 2009 05:41 Vivi57 wrote:
Someone explain to me why we shouldn't post the bg names publicly.

2 mafia: massive protection for pyrr and ace

1 green 1 mafia: still very strong protection because they'd be sacrificing one of their own for ace and pyrr

2 green: this puts the mafia in a hard spot unless one of them is a vet. They'll have to decide whether they want to waste a nights worth of hits just for the possibilty they can kill ace and pyrr the next day. It'll make the medic mindgame harder for sure, but historically, medics have missed every night anyway.

On October 25 2009 11:26 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Yeah I'm getting my drank on at a party but I'm checking in. Looks like I was right and they didn't kill either of us so you can quit bitching now. Did I pass it on? No. I've been in touch with the BGs and their behavior led me to believe they are not on the same team. All you passer advocates were sure the BGs were both red or both green so I went with my intuition and we live another day. We can debate about this some more but my guess is the mafia would have killed us already if both BGs were red cause the odds of passing on info only goes up.

On October 25 2009 12:51 Tricode wrote:
So i guess we have to put the ball in Ace's court and ask what will you do about the next lynch?

Also to make things less suspicious they wouldn't want to kill Ace or people would get the idea something was wrong.

On October 25 2009 13:32 L wrote:


Yeah, I basically prompted you to roleclaim before the night ended so we could make a move, but you didn't. The wine in front of me defense and the after-the-fact roleclaim look pretty bad.

You could have made a perfectly fine pitch by stating you were a DT and giving us the details beforehand, yet you didn't.

I really don't get this.

On October 25 2009 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Dear ace, you may be a one man marching at a far speedier pace.
For you see, we don't actually know the role judge could be
for if you have read the dt role, you would see how inaccurate you could be your so drole
Now you have to prove your mind set, or a noose incorrect someone may get.

Dear man please listen to my plea, don't make me talk about a big green tree

On October 25 2009 13:36 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Lol the fact that we're not lynching you after pardoning someone who's inactive anyway makes no sense. Everybody is treading lightly around you Ace, and you come through with this elaborate post, yet how can we believe anything.

Go ahead and lynch me. Maybe it will open some peoples eyes in this game.

I'm a Detective. So yea.

My idea is to ask Pyrr who are his bodyguards. I'll rolecheck each of them and if they all flip the same they are either all green or highly doubting all Mafia. Any mismatching and I'll spill the beans since Mafia BGs show up as whatever color to me. With the Vet plan I'll just be able to figure it out because BGs when checked should show up as Blue and I'll compare it with the Vet check to know which DT I am. This will deter the Mafia from even attempting to slide any bodyguards into the leadership, and also Pyrr can use the self-checking scheme from Mafia 2. All the BGs(both really) should get a PM listing the others. If any of them are fake it doesn't matter as the Mafia BGs dont protect the elected officials and killing them also speeds up my rolechecking.

Now I know someone is probably thinking all the Mafia has to do is slide 2 Bodyguards in right now and kill both myself and Pyrr at night - it won't work. Pyrr as soon as you receive your bodyguard info tell me their names and I'll check one of them.

On October 26 2009 10:44 Shikyo wrote:
"I checked Judge on Night 1 because I didn't have any BG names and the Vet never stepped forward. Duh? Why does it matter who I checked then? You're bringing attention to something that has no bearing on my motives. If any of the 3 prime choices for checking aren't there I had to pick someone instead of you know, not using my unlimited role checks."

Why the fuck didn't you say that we'd lynch judge today and that every DT should check him? It'd have been the same. Expect that every other DT would have been able to confirm their sanity as well. You're playing so selfish there's no way you can be town at all. Or you've just lost all of your skill. And yes, your pardoner style isn't consistent with your past behavior. Scum.

On November 04 2009 11:17 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
One votes, two votes, I don't give a shit I just don't get why it keeps changing. It's counts for 1 day 1, then 2 day 2, just figure out what your rules are and stick to it. I think it is true that in previous games the mayor has had votes doubled on double lynch days; however, this game, the mayor description states "You gain one extra vote for lynch voting. " Doesn't say that I get 3 extra for the double lynch. Under double lynch it says "This means everyone gets two votes to distribute between two different people. " Doesn't say "except for the mayor who gets four". Given that he's counted my vote as 1 all day it doesn't seem fair to double it at the last minute when the rules don't mention that possibility.


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On November 06 2009 05:43 SugiuraMidori wrote:
LOL compare how I played as mafia to how I play now you silly muffin..

And to be honored to be GF? That'd be pretty awesome.. but I don't think anyone would give me that.


You keep thinking my rage wasn't legit, maybe you should get your time machine out and come visit me and see my face and how angry I was at the bullshit that appeared letting Pyrr not have to use the x2 power and getting Scamp x'd instead of Shikyo. Which, IMO, is the BIGGEST CROCK OF SHIT I have ever seen since playing mafia... blatantly changing how the game has been understood because you're screwing up on counting votes in the first place? (Which by the way... Qatol said changed nothing of past votes so it wasn't something that needed a fix.)

AND apparently, since you don't believe I was raging, do I need to be a pathetic excuse for a human being like you or Ace and have a curse word every 6 words? I'm sorry that I actually have a bit more tact than that, so take your stupid testosterone and shove it up your pathetic butt...

ALSO Pyrr not going on with the x2 votes and being the swing vote for Shikyo/Scamp is more than enough suspicion on Pyrr to kill him too.. but while we're at it, why not kill everyone but myself and Tricode and be done with it.. I don't even know Tricode that well, but it seems stupid he'd be GF at this point. So to me that leaves only the two of us as innocent.

ALSO .. you keep whining and whining about it.. and perhaps I shouldn't say this.. but it's Qatol that keeps coming out telling me about my flawed logic, so go whine at him for pointing out I'm being a retard about things such as when I was gung-ho about Vivi and Redtooth being red.. as he's the one that suggested that "why lynch Shikyo on the off chance that he's a legit DT and the town loses their last information checker." Sounded plenty fine to me. And considering, despite being a co-mod to the game, he's prolly a better player than you, and definitely better at logic than I, I always rethought things and changed up a ton, hence why I made that plan this morning after having change the vote to you.. I got the wild idea that making that plan was the only hope for town to win, because I'd already rather given up on the game after the rule bullshit that's been going on... figured I'd try to contribute at least one last thing before mafia gets rid of me.

In fact, I'm still rather convinced that the mafia will win, and not the town, and they know it too, hence no gg. At least when I check Amber and Shikyo checks motbob.. town gets a definite answer on who is the red.. and then you can go hunt for GF.. unless Shikyo is full of shit.. hence my plan laid out.. and big friggin deal if you die, get over it, you haven't helped the town any anyhow, you're far more likely a mafia than I ever was.

This game really did end when Ace lost control of his vocabulary and the lot of us that got annoyed and had to get the mods to step in, as I was about ready to just stop playing and let a modkill happen so I wouldn't have to deal with it in the future, that's how utterly disgusting it was.




But I digress, I'm going to go have a nice weekend at a friends house. I'll be on the train to LA in 3 hours.. that train-ride is 18 hours.. and then I get to my friends and have internet again.. I really hope that the mods understand 100% that I want to check Amber regardless of who goes to river Styx today. Then I will go through with my plan before the night ends, well just before the post is made so as to be legit and not give anyone any chance to tell Shikyo what he should role in case he's GF. Then the night post will happen with me dead, and I even know a great way to do it:: Me in the library reading the rule books and getting staked from behind. Then I can occasionally refresh the thread and watch the town lose if they don't care for my plan, or I slipped up in one small spot (which of course no one has made any attempts to point out).

I have a math test I need to work on, 4 Anthropology assignments and a survey-report to do, two LaTeX assignments, and 10 Math HW's to do in the 5 weeks left of school. So I have no problems dieing this late in the game now that I'm most assuredly overwhelmed.