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Chezinu
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Incognito
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No Brown ??? | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
They may not include brown but we know it exists! For blue has two enemies! Red and Green - wiki doesn't lie...right? So let us join forces! | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On October 26 2009 14:40 Chezinu wrote: They may not include brown but we know it exists! For blue has two enemies! Red and Green - wiki doesn't lie...right? So let us join forces! Lol how ironic. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On October 26 2009 09:08 Amber[LighT] wrote: You're coming up with this elaborate scheme that by day 3 might show us what path we need to take, yet you can't even come up with a lynch candidate for today. You seem pretty apathetic towards what we need to do tonight, as though the town can deal with the loss of one of us retards. You want to lynch me, ROL, Shikyo, Pyrr, L... but only because we disagree with you. I don't recall Ace saying he wanted to really lynch you guys. But my memory is fuzzy on it...maybe ROL but i don't recall to much of Ace actually suggesting or saying we should lynch any of you. Only some suspicion or giving his opinion about your abilities. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On October 26 2009 11:36 Ace wrote: That idea was not chosen. The idea was Vet confirmation. RoL has been bitching because I won't allow Motbob to die. I checked Judge and reveal it and now all of a sudden it's well why didn't you say to kil Judge? DURR. How many times do I have to tell you - no one is dying for confirmations. None. Unless there's a good argument for why someone should be lynched I'll pardon them. The Mafia have a measly KP of 2 and you're all hell bent on rolling people just because. Not happening. We chose BOTH ideas. They are not mutually exclusive in any way. And if we had stuck to both, we would have been fine if no vet came forward. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On October 26 2009 13:14 Incognito wrote: In addition, proving your "alignment" doesn't prove that you're a DT, as Pyrr pointed out. I dunno if this fits anything I said. I've been working on the assumption that Ace is either DT or red but I guess he could be green faking DT to get people to listen more closely to his accusations later. We did have a lot of greens fake blue the last two games (foolishness saying he knew a vig in the speed game, RoL/infundi a few games ago [infundi was medic faking vig]). I guess it could be an ego thing since he is supposedly never wrong. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On October 26 2009 22:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: We chose BOTH ideas. They are not mutually exclusive in any way. And if we had stuck to both, we would have been fine if no vet came forward. Yeah, I think I said this about 3 times or something T_T. If not vet came forward we probably could of worked something else out, but the DT sanity would still be present. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On October 26 2009 16:12 Tricode wrote: I don't recall Ace saying he wanted to really lynch you guys. But my memory is fuzzy on it...maybe ROL but i don't recall to much of Ace actually suggesting or saying we should lynch any of you. Only some suspicion or giving his opinion about your abilities. Yeah that's correct he doesn't seem to want to lynch anybody. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On October 26 2009 13:21 SugiuraMidori wrote: It would be neat if all the DT's could find each-other out Given the number of players and blue roles possible, I am guessing there is one DT in this game. Last game that Ver ran (speed game) there was one more red than blue (3 vs. 2). I think after mayor, pardoner, and BGs, there will be no more than 4 blues. 3 could be possible given the extra blue roles in this game and the low KP. Because of the new rules for DT and the reappearance of the mad hatter, I'd guess we have one of each of them. If we have 3 blues, there is probably no vig due to the mad hatter's similar role. And also no vet since no one has claimed. If we have 4 blues, I'd guess no vet just based off of no vet claiming. I really don't see a situation where we have two DTs. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On October 26 2009 16:12 Tricode wrote: I don't recall Ace saying he wanted to really lynch you guys. But my memory is fuzzy on it...maybe ROL but i don't recall to much of Ace actually suggesting or saying we should lynch any of you. Only some suspicion or giving his opinion about your abilities. He hasn't proposed a very strong lynch candidate tonight. | ||
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Shikyo
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On October 26 2009 22:25 Amber[LighT] wrote: He hasn't proposed a very strong lynch candidate tonight. That has nothing to do with what you said or claimed. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On October 27 2009 02:02 Tricode wrote: That has nothing to do with what you said or claimed. explain? | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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Tricode
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You said he wants to lynch ROL, Shikyo, Pyrr, L, but I pointed out that isn't true. Then you quote what i said. Why bother even quoting me calling you out on you making up stuff that Ace never said. Then except ignore it by saying he "never proposed a lynch candidate". What does that have to do with your previous statement about him wanting him to have you guys lynched? Nothing. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On October 27 2009 02:24 Tricode wrote: You said he wants to lynch ROL, Shikyo, Pyrr, L, but I pointed out that isn't true. Then you quote what i said. Why bother even quoting me calling you out on you making up stuff that Ace never said. Then except ignore it by saying he "never proposed a lynch candidate". What does that have to do with your previous statement about him wanting him to have you guys lynched? Nothing. If you were ace on the previous page, who would you like the see lynched. It's obvious he wants to see all of us dead before he gets lynched. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
First of all I already explained why the Mafia can't kill Judge assuming he's innocent. It would confirm myself and Judge's role. I'd be confirmed DT on Day 3 without the possibility of being killed. Unless you weren't a DT and in fact are mafia(I believe this is the case). In this case you can kill judge as mafia, say something about finding out your sanity, then you get a free "dt check" on some other townie and tell the town to lynch them or you can hit them, and then you're a "confirmed dt with confirmed sanity" and by the time we notice, you can pardon someone if we haven't caught up yet. At this point like 5 days have passed and we lose. Second of all I would check both BGs to make sure they both flip the same color. If they flip differently one is Mafia. Really simple. Both should appear "blue". As If Judge dies, whatever color he flips/role I compare it to the BGs and I know whats what. Any RC I do from then in I already know what's what. Why would you need to check both BGs, since 1. You don't know which of them actually is Mafia if both are different 2. You yourself said that it's all or nothing. You said that they would sub both or none. Why do you suddenly even think there's a possibility of just one subbed BG when you completely dismissed the idea earlier? How would checking both BGs who turn up the same color prove your sanity, when you can't know if they're blue or red? I believe this is just a plan to get the BGs' names from Pyrr. Don't give them. Lastly this is no mind trick. This is a really simple plan that just means the Mafia will be dead in a few days. But your just more worried about me pulling some elaborate ruse over your eyes than reading the posts. So Motbob must be mafia. I pardoned him for no reason? You mean the reason other than...you guys didn't have a legit reason for lynching him? I'd honestly pardon any player that you guys vote for with no good reasoning as the Mafia KP isn't high, they lose in time due to confirmed DTs and their are only 21 players in the game. I'm 100% certain I'm smarter than you and this proves it. We've killed because of inactivity on the first day because - they were inactive. Motbob was accused of being inactive, then he posted. He's no longer inactive. But then someone says "o he posted after that in another forum!" - why does it matter? Other players have BARELY posted and yet you're all still set on lynching him. That looks more suspicious than anything else. What? Motbob voted for you at 15:57. He had posts in live report threads between 13:00 and like 18:00. This means he had the time to 1. Read the topic to know you were running 2. Watch the Starcraft games. His post count was 3824 the first time I noticed his vote post, which was 2 hours before he posted about his grandpa. His post count was 3832 17 hours later. Inactive? Maybe, but you don't find this suspicious? At all? His post that "proved that he isn't inactive" was this: On October 23 2009 03:55 motbob wrote: My grandpa died and I'm helping make preparations for his funeral so I'll be super inactive until Sunday. Sorry  Hey I didn't know you were this unintelligent, so let me spell it out for you: Super. Inactive. Understood? Super inactive. After he posted this, he suddenly becomes active? What the? Hey I know other people haven't posted alot, for example scamp hasn't for like 14 pages. But they still posted more than motbob's one post where he said he'll be SUPER INACTIVE. How can you say he wasn't inactive? Do you even know what the word means? He's also the person with least posts in the entire game. He also voted for you early without responding to the thread while replying to other threads in the forum. And you say it's not suspicious? What the bleep? *sadly its moderated*, but what you said about motbob's activity is complete and utter garbage. As I've already said, it's most likely that a mafia(like, say, you) just told him to vote and he did it although he was busy. Still, what you said about his lack of inactivity makes it crystal clear that you both are mafia. The Pardoner ability is never used because honestly most players that get the role have no idea how powerful it is. Like I said there's one thing in every Mafia game that is always consistent - I've never been wrong. Not once has my judgment led the town in the wrong direction. Ever. Plenty of times I've stuck my neck out to say someone is most likely innocent or there isn't enough proof based on bandwagoning and every single time I've been right. Motbob may be Mafia but we aren't going to start killing people off of hunches. Most people have no idea how powerful it is. Yes, like, YOU in the last game you were a pardoner? So you weren't wrong then, but you now are acting completely differently than then? This means that you have a different alignment than you had then. Like, mafia? Also, that's a terrible ad hominem argument. Not to mention that you're wrong. Hunches? It's a method of gaining intelligence for DTs. He also is the MOST inactive player in the thread, who said that he'd be super inactive until... Oh, yesterday. Well I haven't seen much activity out of him today either! Have you? Stop those ad hominem arguments. Say why you're not wrong this time. Don't say you're correct because you always have been, since it's nothing short of a lie. Especially since you're mafia and in that case won't even try to play for the good of the town. Actually, using this kind of an argument implies that you're desperate. I did not decide Judge was Paramedic. That's what I got back when I role checked him. Stop making stuff up. I haven't even talked to judge privately as I rarely PM players unless I have a reason. I don't know if Judge is innocent or not. If I was playing fishy I'd have easily kept the information to myself. By making it public I put a consequence on myself or Judge dying if the Mafia kill either of us. Why on earth did you think Judge would be killed by Mafia? What were you even trying to accomplish by checking him? It's the worst check ever. Why wouldn't you either help the rest of the DTs or check someone who contributes a lot and has a good chance of getting killed off? Also, why the fuck would you roleclaim DT when in past games you have 1. Been proud about NEVER revealing your role in ANY mafia game 2. Immediately lynched players who claim DT? Well I know why. It's because you're mafia and claiming DT might let you gain information, lead the town, and keep you from getting lynched. Not going to fly here. At this point it looks like you are trying to force my lynch by any means necessary. Looking at the posts I skimmed past it looks like a few knuckleheads are trying to go the same route. But the voting thread hasn't changed at all which means one of you is probably mafia waiting for someone else to vote so you can jump on the train. But I'll address that too. Hold on the rape train doesn't stop here. I think I am trying to force your lynch far more than him, but that was still a skilled observation by you. I was waiting for your response before voting for you, and you delivered. That's why I voted for you, although I think I would have anyway. Read more about what I think in my vote post. I checked Judge on Night 1 because I didn't have any BG names and the Vet never stepped forward. Duh? Why does it matter who I checked then? You're bringing attention to something that has no bearing on my motives. If any of the 3 prime choices for checking aren't there I had to pick someone instead of you know, not using my unlimited role checks. So maybe you could have, say, told the town that we'd lynch player X tomorrow, and told all DTs to check him. Tada, it helps the I've already shown no one needs to die for me to figure out their sanity. Think a little. Tonight the rest of the Detectives can all check Judge and see for themselves what color he is. I can check the BGs Nights 2 and 3. Doesn't matter what color they flip. I'll be damn near sure what sanity I am. If Judge dies thats it - game over. I know my sanity. I'll publicly post this. The other DTs will also known their sanity. Hence, Judge is protected from death. Medics can choose to save another target. We move on to the next day and the cycle repeats. No one needs to be lynched off of shitty hunches. If a DT already checked motbob fine, let them keep checking other people. If motbob is mafia we'll find out eventually. But you won't be lynching him off of non-credible hunches because some random guy said "o he's inactive!" when Scamp hasn't even posted much either. How would the real DTs checking Judge help AT ALL since as you said, he's not going to die anyway and they have NO WAY of knowing what his role even is? Checking Judge is in no way different from the real DTs checking someone random. They have just as much chance of getting their sanities verified in that way, except that the mafia won't actually avoid lynching them like they would be avoiding Judge. Oh yes, and you checking both BGs really doesn't help at all because they could both be red or both be blue and you'd have no way of knowing. The only way this would work is if one BG was mafia. Couldn't you even figure that out? Apparently. Earlier, you even said that this is impossible or highly likely for mafia to have subbed only one BG. Now your entire plan hinges on that being the case. Sounds credible! Some random guy? Hunches? Dude, I posted more credible things about him than you have posted about you being a DT, so strip that attitude. He's the most inactive person in the thread, who also happened to vote for YOU. Who do you think you are kidding? Scamp hasn't posted much and definitely is suspicious. Not as suspicious though. Oh, and later on in your post you say that you haven't tried to point at any people. You seem to be hinting quite a bit to Scamp's direction, though. Now as for your misreading of the rules and my plan, let me explain (I'm going to have to do this more than once). A color in quotes represents what they show up to me as, a color in CAPS represents what they really are game wise. You're wrong! That was pretty quick, especially for someone who blames others for misreading the rules. The BGs can appear to be red as well. Please read the rules before you post, you're making a fool out of yourself. Also, even if both always showed up as blue, you've only confirmed your role to 50/50. In two nights. Same thing that could have been accomplished in one night. It's too bad that the plan is completely ruined by BGs being able to appear to be Mafia, as well. Judge shows up as "blue". I don't know his real role. Bodyguards are a BLUE role. If the bodyguards both don't flip the same color one of them is Mafia. Point blank. I rolecheck the Bodyguards. It does not matter what color they flip. If they flip "blue" that means them and Judge all have the same role. This means either all 3 are Mafia or all 3 are legit blues. If they flip any other color but blue and match I know it's highly possible Judge is plain green. You'll know one of them is Mafia. You don't know which, though. This is the only way your plan gives you something. You can't know if they're all mafia or all blue roles. So you gain nothing of importance. So in this, the most likely case, in 3 days you're able to confirm that Judge is "most likely" green? Sounds like an amazing accomplishment in 3 days!!! Not like we couldn't have, say, almost guaranteed every DT to figure their sanities out by picking who to lynch first two days in a row. Oh, you don't want to lynch people for no reason, right? Well news flash, Ace! We need to lynch people to be able to kill the mafia. Since when have you been such a scared player? Oh man what if we don't hit a mafia... well then out DTs figure their sanities out, and then we catch some mafia! It's a lot better than your plan that's able to figure out that 1. One of BGs can be mafia but we don't know which 2. BGs and Judge are same role but we don't know which 3. Judge is most likely green in three days, only for yourself. How is this beneficial to the town?? This is a team game, not a solo game. Oh, did I mention that this plan requires Pyrr to tell you who the BGs are? That instantly makes this a completely failed plan. If they appear any color and I never see that color again in a future RC I know that both of them are Mafia. If any of the bodyguards die I know they are legit and I now know my sanity. Remember the rules say Mafia bodyguards appear as RED not BLUE. So I automatically know by not seeing what RED appears as to me ever again if they'd be legit. This isn't hard to understand. Do you even know that this would happen on night 4, and if we lynch our first mafia on day 5 we're screwed anyway? Not to mention that the other plan figures all DTs' sanities out by day three! You can't even guarantee your sanity like this until it's too late. Also, you say "This isn't hard to understand". I guess you say that as a since you know that some people are having a difficulty understanding the plan in order to make you seem far superior, but the statement isn't true at all. Even if I understand everything you said, I still find it impossibly difficult to understand, assuming you were town, WHY you would do this kind of a horrendous plan that lets you figure your sanity in like 5 days, which is way too late in the first place and doesn't help any other possible DTs at all. The other, checking-and-lynching plan would have let every DT know their sanity by day 3, day 4 in worst case scenario. I don't understand, if you're town, why you're against lynching so much. Lynching for information is usually far better than having an inactive amongst which the mafia can hide. You're ought to know this, too. There's no hope for you. Believe whatever you want. Oh that I do, although I don't need your permission for that. You are wrong about something, though. You are the one with no hope. I like it how you completely bypassed my post. Scared? Oh god, some red text next. Gonna be a pain in the ass to read. I know the bodyguards if Mafia will show up as MAFIA. DURRRRR! Now time to own you, moron. This is the last time I'm going to explain this. You guys are so fucking SLOW it's funny. Judge appears "blue". Let's assume he's innocent. Doesn't matter if he is BLUE OR GREEN. If the bodyguards are Mafia they will be RED, as in they appear as MAFIA to a normal role check. A RED player can appear as anything to me. We know this. But I just checked Judge. So... If a bodyguard appears "blue" to me, I know them and Judge all have the same type. If all 3 appear "blue" I'm almost positive Judge is innocent at that point. If both bodyguards don't appear the same color one is guaranteed Mafia. There's no denying this. Let's say the bodyguards both appear "green" to me. I know what they should be though - BLUE. If any of them happen to die I am virtually guaranteed my sanity. Same thing happens with Judge. Let's say they appear "red" to me. Same thing. However let's also say I keep rolechecking people and I never see another "red". Ever. Or I rolechecked someone, who appeared "green" to me, they ended up dying and flipped a BLUE role. Both bodyguards are Mafia because if they were really BLUE they should have appeared "green" to me, not "red" because a legit BLUE just died and flipped "green" to me. Let's not assume Judge is innocent. Why would we do that? If both the bodyguards appear as red, it proves that red means either red or blue. What does that prove? Nothing. You still need more rolechecks to confirm your sanity. A lot more than the other plan, which would also let other DTs to confirm their sanities in two, maybe three days, and, important: Doesn't require Pyrr to give you the BG into. That's the biggest loophope of your plan. It's highly unlikely that all three will show up as the same color, since there most likely aren't more than 3-4 blues in the game anyway. But even if that incredibly unprobable scenario happens, you're able to... figure that they're the same color. Either mafia or blue. But you won't know more. You need another day to figure that out, and then it's day 5 where it's too late to kill the first mafia anyway if we want to win. I like how you say this first as if this is somehow probable. I don't know the exact %, but I'd say that the chance for them all being the same color, if roles were chosen randomly, would just be a couple of silly %'s. And even with that small of a chance you get NOTHING definitive. Sounds like a plan! If they both appear green to you, it means that both the BGs are same color, but doesn't tell you anything else. You also have no clue about your sanity. A good use of 3 days... not. You could assume that green would mean blue in that case, but you still wouldn't be able to know Judge's role at all and need another check to know your sanity. 4 days for confirming sanity. For only one DT. This plan is so slow and overly complicated, and it still hinges on you getting BG info. Which you hopefully won't get. Which immediately makes the plan impossible. If they both appear red to you, red either means red or blue, you figured nothing out except that they both are same color. Same as above, 4 days to figure your sanity instead of 2 days for EVERY DT instead of one with that other plan. Instead of saying that, let's say that we need to lynch a mafia the next day or we can't win. You can't infinitely keep R/Cing people, you need to nail mafias asap. We can't waste 4 days to figure your sanity out. This plan makes no sense if you're DT. If you turn out to be a DT this game, I want you to address Tricode as His Majesty to make up for calling him a bad player even though you're playing so much worse. Motbob wasn't inactive, stop trying that shit. 1. Look at the part about him earlier in this post 2. Dictionary definition for you since it seems like you have forgotten what the word means: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inactivity You're wrong. He was and still is inactive. Nice that you couldn't address anything properly except via an incorrect statement. Now you're making stuff up. I never downplayed the importance of DTs figuring out their sanity. I made it very well known you won't be lynching motbob because of random accusations. So once again, you're wrong. I'm sorry, but you did say that all DTs checking motbob and then lynching him wasn't important enough and talked something about a bandwagon. Can't be arsed to go back to see that post, although I think I've addressed it before. Before that you pardoned him using the DTs' inability to check as a partial reason. We would have lynched motbob because of him being the most inactive poster in the thread and also as a means of figuring out the DTs' sanities. I'm not wrong. You are. Sorry. Durr because it was? Before Night 1 he doesn't have any idea what role I can be. Day 2 I roleclaim and publicly let everyone know who I rolechecked. This gives the possibility to know my role on 2 fronts and allows you to know if I was really Mafia I'd be an idiot for letting you know about the BG switch AND putting myself up to the magnifying glass. It was common sense that at that point you could trust me with the BG names because if both BGs are legit and ended up dying the next night then obviously who's the only person that could be Mafia? Me. Think ahead silly. We weren't talking about "before night 1" at all. During night 1, rather. I don't understand why you couldn't have role claimed then and have all the other DTs check Judge as well. Did you think that the Mafia, if they had subbed both BGs, would now be more likely to hit you than before? No, they would have hit you anyway, wether you claimed or not, if that was your plan. It made no sense to wait until claiming then. Of course you wouldn't kill them right away, you're supposedly too smart for that. Seriously, I was notified for using the wine-in-front-of-me argument too much, but you are using it all the time. You still definitely aren't any safer to trust the info with than anyone else, and I still don't think the info should be given to you. Ever. Stop your bullshit. We are right on schedule. I have no Vets and no BGs yet. Doesn't matter who I checked. There is no Vet plan as the Vet hasn't claimed. Judge isn't going to be killed either as I'll just pardon him unless someone shows some real good analysis on him. Why on earth would you pardon Judge if his death would help you figure your sanity? Also, you completely forgot about choosing people to lynch and DTs checking them. I guess your 5-day-sanity-figure-and-be-too-late-to-do-anything is a better plan. Not. Oh that's extremely simple really. In past games I've never revealed my role unless I had to. This game I can easily reveal my role because look at the ruleset and the circumstances: KP of 2, I'm in office, and I can prove my sanity quickly. With the possibilty of a BG switch I had to hope to survive Night 1 so I could roleclaim Day 2. Now we're at Day 2. I roleclaim DT right? Right. Now pay attention. If I die before any bodyguards show up dead, both BGs are Mafia. Pyrr releases the name, if he doesn't he's Mafia. Simple really. 2 Mafia or 1 Mafia dead. I also post my Rcs publicly. If I die or they die I'm further along on my sanity and/or the town gets more information on who's really what. So now I've put pressure on the Mafia to kill me before I find out my sanity and just have a role list and turn this into Mafia 2. They only have a KP of 2 so there isn't much damage they can do fast enough to stop me. Of course this also assumes the town is paying attention and not arguing with me and that's why we have the situation we do now. What would it have to do with you surviving night 1? Are you honestly suggesting that they'd switch both BGs and wouldn't kill you if you weren't mafia regardless if you claimed DT? What the fuck? It would have been so much better to claim on night 1 and say tell every DT to check the same person, who we'd lynch the next day. Actually, you wouldn't have to claim at all. You say you can prove your sanity quickly. Yes, optimally you'll have it proven by night 4, so you use a check on night 5, and we get something concrete of it on day 6, when the game is almost over already. How the fuck is that "quick"? And you still had no reason at all to R/C DT if you actually were a DT. Unless you wanted the BG names and more credibility to get them. So it makes the most sense that you didn't sub two BGs, or you's know them. Oh yeah, you kept hinting that you were DT even before you claimed. Mafia could have easily picked that up, so you make no sense. They'd have definitely killed you, open claim or not. You're further along your sanity yes, but way behind the plan to figure sanities out by day 3. Your plan gets us ONE DT's sanity in 5-6 days. Terrible. Town doesn't get any information unless you die since we can't know if you are DT because of your super slow sanity plan. Town will know that you're bullshitting by like day 6, and that's way too late. A role list on day 6 doesn't do shit for us because at that point we're already pretty much mathematically beaten. Yes they can do it fast enough because your plan is so slow. And why wouldn't we argue with you if you're playing so bad? We aren't voting just to fucking kill people for the sake of killing them. Get this through your dumb skull. We aren't going to just fucking pardon people for the sake of pardoning them. Get this through your dumb skull. Also, we're not doing it just for killing, we're doing it for information. Now we get to my favorite part, the wine-in-front-of-me arguments! 1.)Ace is Mafia. Why would he bring attention to the fact that bodyguards can be subbed in? If he was was Mafia he would have kept that aspect quiet, hoping no one believed it. He also wouldn't have run for a role and just killed 2 possible innocents in office on Night 1. Of course he didn't do this so ok his possibility of being guilty aren't as high but he's still fishy. 2.) He roleclaims DT on Day 2. He said he had a plan on Day 1 and wanted some critical information. He also supported the Vet idea. Why? If he was Mafia surely he'd want to kill the bodyguards if Pyrr gave him the info...however he publicly roleclaimed on Day 2 and posted the result of his check. Damn. No Mafia fake claiming a DT would ever do that because now he is accountable on multiple fronts. Sure it also gives him multiple ways to prove he is a legit DT via behavior but he's gotta be lying right? 3.) Shit, Ace can't be Mafia. I just realized that his rolecheck plan when I pull my head outta my ass makes perfect sense. It does add up! Also if Ace was Mafia why hasn't he tried to accuse anyone by now, or lead the town to lynch an innocent? He's playing defensive trying to preserve lives rather than kill just anyone. 4.) Ace has to be legit. Dang, lemme stop being an idiot and actually listen to him. We've ignored his advice in games before and got fucked over when he was actually innocent and gave us the keys to winning. 1. Because anyone knows this and no one would miss this. I at least would have pointed it out. You brought attention to the fact so that you could make that very argument, since you knew that it had no harm because people would notice anyway. Also, you didn't mention/didn't say it was smart subbing only one BG, so it's likely that this is exactly what you have done. 2. How are you accountable on both fronts? He can just say his sanity was what it was. As I said, with your system you figure your sanity out by like Day 5, after which it's too late to kill you off anyway. Especially if you pardon a mafia before that. Or even an innocent, since we have to lynch him again anyway. Did you mention that you didn't support the check-into-lynch idea? Didn't think so. You most likely supported the vet idea because you thought it was the lesser good for the town and thought it'd be suspicious if you didn't support either. 3. Yes you can, you didn't say anything that would make it seem like you're not a mafia. That's a terrible conclusion to make with all the holes in this wine defense. The rolecheck plan doesn't make sense because it's too late to do anything on day 5 or 6 which is when you are able to figure your sanity out(instead of 3 with the other plan). Also, you need BG info for this. Also, you haven't done that so that you could use this wine argument. Although, you did point at Scamp before, but I don't know if that counts. About playing defensively, if motbob and you are mafia, it's pretty clear why you'd want to spare his life. 4. Still waiting for those keys, since you've given us nothing but the keys to a crushing defeat. Also, you can do better than using an ad hominem argument. Or can you? Doubt it. I guess I'll post this and get to the other posts after a while, I wrote this for almost 2 hours straight. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 26 2009 11:01 dreamflower wrote: In the interest of lynching someone who isn't an elected official and has been acting suspiciously, I'd like to mention Vivi57 and Chezinu as people we could possibly agree to lynch. Both have been fairly quiet this game and, as far as I know, haven't contributed much in their posts. I specifically remember Vivi saying he wanted to vote Tricode for the first lynch, only to vote for Tricode as mayor. Then he switches at the last minute to Ace, because "he wanted Tricode as mayor, not pardoner," even though Tricode was demonstrating he was pretty clearly town-aligned at that point and a townie pardoner seems like a valuable thing to have. Instead, he joined a late vote swing to push someone else into office. Chezinu also hasn't posted much of value, as far as I can tell. Mostly some rhymes in response to Bloodycobbler's (in which the pupil seems to have surpassed his master in terms of quality). He also made an early post stating how he was "brown" (a mix of red and green, I assume?), yet also insinuating he was the mad hatter. It seemed like he was trying to justify not posting much in the game by trying to emulate a blue or green role. I mention this whole thing partly because I'm very hesitant to lynch any elected office so early, or even active players like Amber[light], which seems the likely outcome if everyone joins in the finger-pointing. Now that everyone's accounted for and has had time to post, I think it's better if we all agree to lynch someone acting suspicious and unhelpful (like Vivi or Chezinu) and get the detectives to rolecheck them to find out their sanity. I completely agree with you about both vivi and chezinu. However, with Ace as the pardoner, he can pardon either of them with something stupid like "not enough evidence" and we have to lynch him anyway. This sets us back by an entire day and I don't want to risk this. That's one of the main reasons I believe that we need to lynch Ace. L's post at the end of page 39 is great and I agree with it. Also, Ace's defense halfway through the page is pathetic and a sign of resignment. On October 26 2009 11:26 Ace wrote: RoL you're an idiot. I already I would have went along with a Vet plan IF THE VET STEPPED UP. There's no need to lynch anyone just to confirm DTs. The Mafia has a shitty KP of TWO. Anyone proclaiming we need to lynch townies so the DTs can be claimed in two days is a fucking fool. Just be patient and let the Mafia bleed to death. This is exactly why you're always mentioned in the bottom rung of player tiers because you are so fucking slow. My entire plan gives ALL the DTs credibility because everytime I check someone and announce it they can check them too. Once I figure out my sanity and let everyone know, they by tuen are just about guaranteed their sanity else. Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Normally it's not a good idea to call people smarter than you idiots. There definitely is a need to lynch someone to confirm a DT, unless we want to hope for them to be killed by the mafia. As I've already said, your garbage method is way too slow and unreliable. Don't you know they'd just be normal lynches that we'd just decide on earlier so that the DTs could check them the night before? We would be lynching mafia suspects like that, of course. Do you really think we'd just aimlessly lynch people? Are you really that stupid? You figure your sanity by the 5th day and we can lynch a person based on your information on the 6. day. We can't miss any lynches or we lose. A terrible plan. Do you even know the purpose of lynches? It's killing mafia. Why do you keep saying we'd be lynching townies? We'd be lynching mafia. Do you think pardoning helps thinning out the mafia numbers? No it doesn't. Why the durrrrr? It makes it sound as if it's obvious that you're right, but it definitely isn't. In fact, you are wrong. Durr my ass. On October 26 2009 11:33 L wrote: L said almost what I meant to say, but let me write my own response:We were never lynching people just to confirm DTs. The Idea was we'd choose during the night so that the DT could check prior to the day we lynch so we save a day/night cycle. Do you even read shit? Yes we are. Bite me. Seriously though, we're lynching people to kill mafia. Confirming sanities is just a side effect. Get a clue. On October 26 2009 11:36 Ace wrote: That idea was not chosen. The idea was Vet confirmation. RoL has been bitching because I won't allow Motbob to die. I checked Judge and reveal it and now all of a sudden it's well why didn't you say to kil Judge? DURR. How many times do I have to tell you - no one is dying for confirmations. None. Unless there's a good argument for why someone should be lynched I'll pardon them. The Mafia have a measly KP of 2 and you're all hell bent on rolling people just because. Not happening. Not chosen by whom? It's not like you decide. Also, the plans don't close each other out. We could very well do both. Also, if you had announced you're a DT on night 1 and told other DTs to check him and then we'd have lynched him today, that wouldn't really be a problem, now would it? Stop calling the mafia KP measly, it will still kill the town if we don't lynch any mafia. Sorry about some of the language in these couple of posts. If I am allowed to, I can edit them to be less offensive if necessary. However, I think that you need to fight fire with fire. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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