EPTTL Mafia XV - Page 37
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
Let us merge as one and conquer the world of Liquidia! | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
We could have helped him determine his sanity with the Motbob plan but he's sure of Motbob's innocence for no reason. We won't be able to check his sanity now because we'll be too afraid to kill someone who might be the medic. Judge won't be able to help because he can't come forward and say Ace is a liar unless he is a blue role other than Medic. If he is medic, than I guess he could privately claim blue to Ace but then he would want to publicly claim green or we lose the fucking medic but if he claims green publicly when blue than Ace's story gets out of whack and we lose our trust in the DT. I think we have to be more on guard against a fake DT this game because we can kill a few innocents and not prove shit about whether the DT is fake or not. Fuck, if push comes to shove and a fake DT gets called out on a shit ton of contradictions he can always just say he guessed his state wrong and blame it on someone else. As for passing on the info, I'd love to do that to a confirmed townie but I don't think it is worth it for anything less than that. I also find it really unlikely that if the bgs were mafia they wouldn't have killed us night 1. We keep BG names secret in normal games. I fail to see how spreading the names outweighs the risk, especially at this point. Ace roleclaimed DT before the end of Night 1 for god sakes. If both BGs are red and Ace isn't and they didn't hit us both last night then the reds must be confident that even as a DT he is better alive than dead. If there is at least one innocent BG (I'd put this well over 50% chance at this point, probably over 90%), then keeping the BGs secret is the optimal play. I'm trying to think of a reason for the reds to slow play a two BG set up and all of the reasons suck. Confirmed innocents are likely to happen relatively rapidly. Ace could become one soon. I am starting to think we don't have a vet but I will pass on the info if I find someone I feel I can trust. So I guess maybe Ace thinks that if Judge is medic then the mafia won't kill him for fear of confirming a BG protected DT? Maybe, but if so I better keep the BG names well hidden to protect Ace and I can give him the BG names once he's confirmed. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
If I die that means both BGs were Mafia aka they are dead. However we all know the bodyguards should always appear blue. Pay fucking close attention to that statement. bodyguards should always appear blue Do you get it now? If you give me the names, I can role check them Nights 2 and 3. Judge has already flipped blue for me. Once I check them WHATEVER COLOR THEY FLIP VIRTUALLY GUARANTEES MY SANITY. Do. You. Understand? Judge has flipped blue - doesn't matter if he's a medic or not none of us know my sanity. Mafia can't fucking kill him because if I check the BGs also it confirms my sanity by Night 2. Bodyguards are gauranteed blue. If I rolecheck them it doesn't matter what color they flip. I know what color they should be. This eliminates 4 of the 6 possible DT combinations. How hard is this to understand? It isn't and all this stalling your doing just keeps making the case against you stronger. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On October 25 2009 18:29 Ace wrote: and for fucking sakes read the OP and the thread. As long as I always publicly post what roles I find it doesn't matter. They have a KP of TWO. It'll be pretty hard for them to just up and easily kill judge. duh? If medics can protect themselves then yes. On October 25 2009 18:29 Ace wrote: Do you get it now? If you give me the names, I can role check them Nights 2 and 3. Judge has already flipped blue for me. Once I check them WHATEVER COLOR THEY FLIP VIRTUALLY GUARANTEES MY SANITY. Do. You. Understand? 'Fraid not. Why would you check more than one of the BGs? And you'd still have 2 possible sanities left as far as I can tell since you still don't know what Judge really is. [QUOTE]On October 25 2009 18:29 Ace wrote: Judge has flipped blue - doesn't matter if he's a medic or not none of us know my sanity. Mafia can't fucking kill him because if I check the BGs also it confirms my sanity by Night 2. [Quote] It does matter somewhat because unless you or judge are mafia is is confirmed that if Judge is blue, he's a medic. So they at least now would know they don't have to worry about hitting a vet or a less valuable blue. [QUOTE]On October 25 2009 18:29 Ace wrote: Bodyguards are gauranteed blue. If I rolecheck them it doesn't matter what color they flip. I know what color they should be. This eliminates 4 of the 6 possible DT combinations. How hard is this to understand? It isn't and all this stalling your doing just keeps making the case against you stronger. [/QUOTE] You haven't managed to jedi mind trick me out of wondering whether or not you are a DT or not in the first place by completely ignoring the issue. I don't see why you need both either. Anyway we can discuss it further there's no reason to get pissed off when DTs can't check during the day anyway. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
Here's what I see through Ace's behavior: Motbob must be mafia. Ace pardoned someone for no reason, and even more importantly, this guy is "inactive." Well WTF Ace we have always killed someone because of activity on the first day, why change that now? He's useless to the town if you keep him alive and inactive, and I'm sure Qatol and Ver would have preferred if you didn't do that, but there must be a reason they allowed you to pardon him, he needs to stay alive for the mafia KP. Without him the mafia cannot succeed. Even if they mod-killed them, which I'm surprised they're not doing, the would be down one mafia member and one lynch away from having 1 KP per night. Ace is probably mafia. You used the pardoner ability when, in most games played here, we have NEVER used the pardoner ability. In fact, the one time the pardoner role was used IIRC, that pardoner was mafia and he was protecting a fellow mafia member. So if we lynch you, we can confirm that Motbob is red... and maybe one other person. You decided that vx70GTOJudgexv was a paramedic. That's a good choice to make a fake claim. I mean all you have to do is tell Judge to protect someone and instead you just don't kill them, makes it look like he's doing good. Then when the town numbers dwindle he just turns sides. It's a good plan, really. What would be better is if you guys made w8c the godfather, and then he could pick the paramedic role, so when we "don't believe you," we can just waste a role-check on him and see he's a "medic." Since the other two depend on your survival and you won't let us go through with the motbob plan, we should lynch you. The town deserves to know if you actually have a plan inside of your head or if you were saving one of your own. EVERYONE should vote to lynch ACE today. This gives us valuable information about at least four other townies! (Motbob, Judge, myself, pyrr and anyone else Ace has ridiculed in this game) We do not need the pardoner role to win this! | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On October 25 2009 18:10 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Not sure as to where this game is going. Guess I'll consider seeing how this plan from Ace develops... I think the people threatening to lynch Ace though are retarded, although I'm still baffled why he picked me rofl. I'd rather lynch RoL personally. He rubs me the wrong way. Well, what suspicious stuff have I done all game? Voting for pyrr doesn't count. He is a friend of mine and I like how he conducts himself in games more than L and Ace by FAR. Although hes not being as active this game, but I need to read his new posts first. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On October 25 2009 18:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I do want to pass on the information. I'm not sure why we can be sure about Ace's RC yet. Also, why am I the first person to say that if he is a DT then he may have just OUTED THE FUCKING MEDIC?! He says he wants to give us some info in case he dies. Well, that info does dick for us. If Judge isn't mafia it lets the mafia know there's a 50% chance that Judge is the medic. Fucking grand. If he's a real DT he should have kept that shit to himself. How does it help us to know that check result if Ace dies tonight? Doesn't tell us shit cuz Ace would be dead before his sanity mode can be determined so its useless. Only the drugged DT and Sane DT flip blues the correct way. Rest of the sanities random generate a blue role if that is the role that is supposed to be wrong (IE if you see greens as blues, then the blue role is random generated) Ace probably won't die tonight either. We could have helped him determine his sanity with the Motbob plan but he's sure of Motbob's innocence for no reason. We won't be able to check his sanity now because we'll be too afraid to kill someone who might be the medic. Judge won't be able to help because he can't come forward and say Ace is a liar unless he is a blue role other than Medic. If he is medic, than I guess he could privately claim blue to Ace but then he would want to publicly claim green or we lose the fucking medic but if he claims green publicly when blue than Ace's story gets out of whack and we lose our trust in the DT. I think we have to be more on guard against a fake DT this game because we can kill a few innocents and not prove shit about whether the DT is fake or not. Fuck, if push comes to shove and a fake DT gets called out on a shit ton of contradictions he can always just say he guessed his state wrong and blame it on someone else. This is the part I have an issue with. I don't see why you would check judge when we had another plan to get DT's sanity along with the vet plan, and what most people are ignoring is that we haven't even told the vet to come forward yet which is the main reason for him saying motbob must be the Vet! Oh and my favorite problem with Ace's idea. Without a person dying you don't know the REAL role of them. Normally with the DT sanity plan here is how it works. A DT checks a person we are going to lynch IE motbob. Now he can be one of three things. The actual blue if he was a drugged/sane DT or a red or blue and one of the other sanity's. Now Ace decides to check the BG (whose name he gets from Pyrr) who should turn up blue. But lets pretend the BG came up red now Ace can be one of these. Insane DT- Green Blue Red Crooked DT- Blue Green Red That is after two checks, because now he KNOWS what blue must come up as, but has no idea what judge really was. Oh by the way. All this is assuming that the BG check wasn't on a mafia. If the BG was a mafia that fucks everything up. This plan has so many holes in it along with the longest possible time span of determining sanity. Please stop being stupid. Yeah, that's right we just used two checks and got exactly the same place as one. Without Judge dying there is NO confirmation of his role | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Veteran please role claim NOW Now is the time you should be role claiming if you exist and aren't inactive T_T The only issue is we don't have the lynch check for the DT's, but if the Vet claims motbob SHOULD be lynched. It gives the Dt's there santiy upon checking the role calling Vet if they checked motbob last night, and since I doubt Ace is actually a DT I am hoping that is what happened. so I will say it again Vet please role call this will establish a person we can follow from now on instead of listening to office holders. At this point in the game they can';t kill you before our plan comes to fruition or take extra lives off before the DT's can check you, so now is the ideal time. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Ace still is fishy. It's nowhere near guaranteed you're a DT, not even likely. RCing Judge was a pretty bad move for a player like you. Why wouldn't you RC someone more likely to die, someone who's been contributing a lot or has annoyed a lot of people? This RC makes no sense at all. I already addressed the pardoning issue as well, that's just bad play. Really, the pardon thing and "a suspicious bandwagon against the most useless player who has been acting suspicious and hasn't contributed at all" is just a load of crap. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Mafia Bodyguards, with the exception of the Godfather, show up as Mafia to Rolechecks and do not protect an innocent Mayor. as was pointed out by RoL. If he had read the text he pointed to, he would know this. But here's the problem. Ace wasn't told the bodyguard names by pyrr as far as we can tell, so how would he know that they're both blue? The answer is fairly obvious: he knows how many people were subbed in. How? Well, that's pretty obvious, isn't it? His check is on someone random and he is preventing us from going ahead with our day 1 plan to have a confirmed check, which he follows up by asking for bodyguard protection despite stating that the bodyguards are innocent. What have we learned here: ace is mafia, and both bodyguards are innocent. Alternate version: Ace doesn't FUCKING READ THE GODDAM RULES AND IS PLAYING LIKE A BUCKET OF ASSBALLS. :3 | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 26 2009 02:13 L wrote: Ace keeps saying that he needs to know the bodyguards names so that he can check them. He says he needs to do so in order to find out what blue is. He points someone to the bodyguard role to chastise them, yet ignores this: as was pointed out by RoL. If he had read the text he pointed to, he would know this. But here's the problem. Ace wasn't told the bodyguard names by pyrr as far as we can tell, so how would he know that they're both blue? The answer is fairly obvious: he knows how many people were subbed in. How? Well, that's pretty obvious, isn't it? His check is on someone random and he is preventing us from going ahead with our day 1 plan to have a confirmed check, which he follows up by asking for bodyguard protection despite stating that the bodyguards are innocent. What have we learned here: ace is mafia, and both bodyguards are innocent. Alternate version: Ace doesn't FUCKING READ THE GODDAM RULES AND IS PLAYING LIKE A BUCKET OF ASSBALLS. :3 I can't help but come to the exact same conclusion. Either Ace is mafia or he's playing like complete garbage. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
But here's the problem. Ace wasn't told the bodyguard names by pyrr as far as we can tell, so how would he know that they're both blue? They appear as blue unless they are red, the bodyguard role itself is a "blue" role. But besides that, I 100% agree. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
"Don't kill active, contributing players. Even if you think Tricode is worthless right now with no clues to go on killing actives will hurt even more at this point." So if we can't kill active players and can't kill the most inactive player in the game because "there is a 5% chance he's the veteran" who the hell can we kill? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 26 2009 02:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: They appear as blue unless they are red, the bodyguard role itself is a "blue" role. "unless they are red" yes | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
Mafia Bodyguards, with the exception of the Godfather, show up as Mafia to Rolechecks oh shit I didn't realize that part. yet another reason I doubt we have two mafia bgs at this point. | ||
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