Sylas is the worst designed champion in league. He comes with a built in sheen and tiamat, so hitting his abilities isn’t important. He has a skill shot gapcloser but don’t worry because if you miss his w gap closes. Obligatory self healing xD. And of course the point and click ult steal that for some reason comes with it’s own damage ratios so you can steal utility ults and get crazy utility on a high damage ultimate.

Gahlo

United States35172 Posts

May 20 2019 20:02 GMT

#342

On May 21 2019 04:01 Slusher wrote:
Sylas is the worst designed champion in league. He comes with a built in sheen and tiamat, so hitting his abilities isn’t important. He has a skill shot gapcloser but don’t worry because if you miss his w gap closes. Obligatory self healing xD. And of course the point and click ult steal that for some reason comes with it’s own damage ratios so you can steal utility ults and get crazy utility on a high damage ultimate.

Don't forget the ability that heals' damage executes and gives bonus healing when you're low.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

May 20 2019 20:15 GMT

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cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

May 20 2019 21:24 GMT

#344

On May 20 2019 20:37 AdsMoFro wrote:

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Rek'sai is far weaker now on live patch. The problem for Sylas remains that he uses his opponent's ults better than them. We saw that with Gnar but it goes for many champions.

I don't think the ult steal is inherently a broken or bad idea. But its implemented so stupidly. Why is the cooldown at ranks 2 & 3 so much shorter than other impactful ults? It should be on the Sylas not to steal something crappy like Corki or Zoe ult. As it is he can have a stored Karthus ult, then jump in on enemies at 60%, steal an Amumu ult, wreck everybody, then waltz out and maybe even do a 3rd ult during the chasedown.

Also why does he need 3 freaking dashes?

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

May 21 2019 01:46 GMT

#345

The cooldown is probably because they were trying to recreate the Rubick fantasy inside of league, if you have an aghs on Rubick, you pretty much only cast other people spells in a team fight and casting multiple ults is a really cool outplay. However this translates poorly for 2 reasons 1)Spell scaling in Dota is minimal compared to league, we're talking like ~5% increase is a lot, so a spell that's intended for damage will do damage and a spell that's intended for utility will be utility. 2)Counterplay, Rubick ult is also point and click, however he can only steal the last spell casted so you can counterplay it by having a spell on deck to use directly after, or you can target him with your ult becuase he loses his stolen spell on death.

(this also prevents the mega tilting level 6 Sylas casting your ult on you when you are 5)

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

May 21 2019 09:57 GMT

#346

The lv 5 vs 6 thing is beyond stupid imo, if they ever nerf him (which they will), that would be on the easiest QoL changes to make.

I don't think the ult steal is inherently a broken or bad idea. But its implemented so stupidly.

I disagree, I think the mechanic is gimmicky and inherently broken. There are lots of champions in League at this point which have unorthodox mechanics that set them outside the normal balance 'region'. Almost all of those champs are broken or have been: Ryze, Vlad, Guinsoo/AS ADC off the top of my head. Balancing these champs is hard because they interact so differently with items, but balancing their numbers is also impossible because their kit is the problem, numbers either have no impact (see Akali) or they get nerfed into oblivion.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

May 21 2019 21:18 GMT

#347

I agree with your concept of some champs being nearly impossible to balance (this has been my Rengar stance for a long time, as an example), but I don't think Ult stealing is that big of an issue. This is probably just a difference of opinion. But fundamentally you would be using a high cd spellslot for a high impact spell. This does mean you are going to get shit on by Corki and a lot of other champions who don't have high impact ults. Thats just balance. Its a concept for a champ that gets picked 4th/5th.

And it might even be true you have to put the ability on a support to make it work, so that support ults with inflated ratios aren't stolen by a guy with farm. IDK. I just think its easier to balance by an order of magnitude that something like Windwall, Shroud, or Undying Rage .

Yorbon

Netherlands4272 Posts

May 21 2019 21:43 GMT

#348

I don't really play the game anymore, so haven't encountered Sylas in a real game, but judging from watching MSI and the wiki information I think Sylas is ridiculous.

The things that baffle me about the ult:
- It changes ad-ratio into ap-ratio
- Full ap-ratio is applied. Especially for supportive champs, this is way too strong, because these are balanced around the rest of their kit.
- Cooldown is 15 seconds, (if I understand correctly) with CDR you can use 5 different ults in 50 seconds. ??

I also think the mana cost is way too low. For such a strong ability, 200 would be more like it instead of 75.

But that's my noob pov.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

May 22 2019 09:26 GMT

#349

On May 22 2019 06:43 Yorbon wrote:
I don't really play the game anymore, so haven't encountered Sylas in a real game, but judging from watching MSI and the wiki information I think Sylas is ridiculous.

The things that baffle me about the ult:
- It changes ad-ratio into ap-ratio
- Full ap-ratio is applied. Especially for supportive champs, this is way too strong, because these are balanced around the rest of their kit.
- Cooldown is 15 seconds, (if I understand correctly) with CDR you can use 5 different ults in 50 seconds. ??

I also think the mana cost is way too low. For such a strong ability, 200 would be more like it instead of 75.

But that's my noob pov.

The justification for the 15s lv 3 ult I believe is that Sylas is supposed to be pretty bad in late game fights (in reality, I'd say it's entirely matchup dependent, because if he gets a Karthus ult then lategame he's dealing big damage). Also, most team fights don't last long enough for him to get more than 1 or 2 ults off. I can't think of a situation where I thought Sylas getting too many ults was the reason his team won. Not to mention there's a good chance that there are a few ults he can't do anything with, stealing Jayce ult is nice for lane but not in a team fight.

This does mean you are going to get shit on by Corki and a lot of other champions who don't have high impact ults.

In a team fight, Corki ult isn't great on Sylas, but it is annoying to play against in lane, the same way that stealing Jayce ult actually makes him viable into the matchup. But the bigger problem is that Sylas has a choice of 5 ultimates in fights, there is no need for him to steal Corki ultimate if he doesn't see value in it. And that is what is problematic, at pro level, you got a player like Faker who suddenly has access to 5, often powerful, abilities that are designed to be game changing. Smart players can abuse that so hard, there are just so many scenarios as the non-Sylas team that you have to consider, the burden of thought is not on Sylas but he also gets rewarded for using his brain.