On May 20 2019 00:18 JimmiC wrote:
Basically when TL picked proactive teams they were winning (no face check I think game 2 is a win) when they picked scaling they got destroyed, manhandled.

Even with the face check if TL didn't pull an IG and run towards where Jensen had died, and instead taken mid t1 or grabbed the earth drake, there's a decent chance TL can win thanks to a Baron fight where G2 would have been forced to group up and give Impact a great chance to ult.

TL definitely underperformed in the finals and G2 stepped up. G2 totally deserve the win and the title. Best case scenario is that with Worlds in a few months TL can go for the redemption storyline and win it.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

May 19 2019 17:31 GMT

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chipmonklord17

United States11944 Posts

May 19 2019 17:57 GMT

#330

Plus TL should be flanked by TSM and C9, G2 gets Fnatic, Korea gets Griffin etc. Worlds will be sick

Aluminumtribromide

14 Posts

May 19 2019 18:05 GMT

#331

I don't know, the facecheck argument is quite pointless. TL was still ahead after that and ran it in the ground with more thoughtless engages, I don't think they would have won. G2 was playing better overall and probably would have pulled back, as except Kennen TL was quite even gold wise.

On May 19 2019 18:25 iCanada wrote:
Lets be real, people would have meme'd TL even if they won.

But probably worse now than if they didn't beat IG? Idk, I think the series is hard to judge much from, TL kind of hard threw all the games more than G2 outplaying them. Game 1 CoreJJ just straight inted like 5 times, game two they had a budding lead and for some reason just split and facechecked instead of taking a tower and free drake?

Game 3... I'm not really sure. Not sure why DL was at like 3 CS after 4 waves. Just kinda seems uncharacteristic, never seen that from him before.

DL was behind because G2 played well?! I mean he missed 2 waves because of the lvl 2 gank burning both(?) sums, backing, and then being too scared because of being 1 lvl down and getting killed just like 1 or 2 mins later. I would call that getting outplayed and not uncharecteristic.

And the double elim thing, I'll never understand that. Finals are usually garbage because one team shits the bed like TL did today. Double elim doesn't change that. As much as I would like a close final, I like the format more (EDIT: meaning semi short single elim playoff type tournaments, but more like worlds, MSI has a bit too little depth). If iG can't beat TL, well, unlucky, you are apparently not that good, I mean it's a BO5 not a BO1.

Gahlo

United States35172 Posts

May 19 2019 18:16 GMT

#332

Also leaves me pretty hype about NA/EU Rift Rivals, assuming the teams take it seriously.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

May 19 2019 18:32 GMT

#333

Yeah, I want to see how OG/FNC stack up against their counterparts, G2 was clearly a cut above everyone but RR could very well be much closer.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

May 19 2019 18:38 GMT

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chipmonklord17

United States11944 Posts

May 19 2019 23:54 GMT

#335

Just finished watching game 3, it was super weird to see older TPA

CoupDetate

1 Post

May 20 2019 06:01 GMT

#336

I went through the whole process of hunting this site down and registering it just to say this.

Impact, Xmithie, Doublelift, CoreJJ, and Jenson. You guys were great. Every game was a joy to watch. Yes, the losses in final sucked, and you guys made a lot of mistakes that G2 was able to capitalize on. Pro or not, we've all had bad games, and i've watch enough of every one of you to know that your awesome players, and you just had a really bad string of them, and G2 is in a really strong place right now. But you were there, at Finals. You didn't bring the trophy home, but for the first time in a really long time i had a lot of hope that NA would bring it home this time, and that's what made every game exciting. Shake it off and ready up for RR and the next split. I'll still be here, screaming "TL" at the top of my lungs in my living room. Keep your heads up guys, I'm looking forward to you guys bringing this same competitive excitement to Worlds!

TL then, TL now, TL Always!!

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

May 20 2019 06:23 GMT

#337

I think this was generally a successful MSI except for Sylas and Akali. Sylas just seemed too overwhelming of a playmaker at times, and he you look at him and his slappy chains and it just doesn't fit. Akali's shroud is not intuitive to a viewer right now. Also both have all these mini dashes (particularly when its Sylas vs. Akali in lane) and that is not a good viewer experience. Jumps need more visual indicators in viewing when you aren't playing, otherwise is just looks like a dude smashing his controller in Mortal Combat. Irelia, who I think is generally bad champ design for the game, does not have this issue. Her flourishes are much easier to watch.

Still, I think we need BO7 for most series.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

May 20 2019 10:33 GMT

#338

Yes, the problem with Sylas is that now that he's been out long enough, players are good enough to exploit all of his incredibly unique and almost contradictory interactions with ultimate. I mentioned it months ago, but stuff like 'Sylas stealing Kindred ult makes the champion feel like a suicidal pick' has become more nuanced, this tournament I noted that Sylas is a great pick when enemy team picks top Neeko, because he gets to grab that ultimate and hence the insane AP ratios. We also saw Faker faking Gnar, it was well played by him, but in the PB it would make me hesitate picking Gnar, which is beyond stupid. Liss, who I'm glad is out of the meta, is also prone to her own ultimate. Syla kit is already quite good, he's a massive lane bully, but his ultimate is just so incredibly gimmicky from a balance perspective.

Akali and Rek'Sai are my next two champs on the problem list. Don't think I need to go much into Akali, she's just too strong right now. The problem with Rek'Sai is that she snowballs way too hard in the hands of capable teams. Her downside is that she falls off pretty hard, but champions with basically flip coin snowballing are badly balanced imo. Enemy early game basically revolves around 'don't ever, ever, ever fight Rek'Sai 2vs2 if you don't insta blow someone up', because she does more damage with red than both opponents combined.

AdsMoFro

Japan4761 Posts

May 20 2019 11:37 GMT

#339

On May 20 2019 19:33 DarkCore wrote:
Yes, the problem with Sylas is that now that he's been out long enough, players are good enough to exploit all of his incredibly unique and almost contradictory interactions with ultimate. I mentioned it months ago, but stuff like 'Sylas stealing Kindred ult makes the champion feel like a suicidal pick' has become more nuanced, this tournament I noted that Sylas is a great pick when enemy team picks top Neeko, because he gets to grab that ultimate and hence the insane AP ratios. We also saw Faker faking Gnar, it was well played by him, but in the PB it would make me hesitate picking Gnar, which is beyond stupid. Liss, who I'm glad is out of the meta, is also prone to her own ultimate. Syla kit is already quite good, he's a massive lane bully, but his ultimate is just so incredibly gimmicky from a balance perspective.

Akali and Rek'Sai are my next two champs on the problem list. Don't think I need to go much into Akali, she's just too strong right now. The problem with Rek'Sai is that she snowballs way too hard in the hands of capable teams. Her downside is that she falls off pretty hard, but champions with basically flip coin snowballing are badly balanced imo. Enemy early game basically revolves around 'don't ever, ever, ever fight Rek'Sai 2vs2 if you don't insta blow someone up', because she does more damage with red than both opponents combined.

Rek'sai is far weaker now on live patch. The problem for Sylas remains that he uses his opponent's ults better than them. We saw that with Gnar but it goes for many champions.