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Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
March 04 2016 13:54 GMT
#161
Bjerg played like absolute shit in this game btw. This dive bot was prob on him. "I can w 4 lets go in"
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
March 04 2016 13:54 GMT
#162
Considering they they earn more money with every delay, it is not too far stretched to think they partly do it on purpose.
Science>Mechanics
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 04 2016 13:55 GMT
#163
On March 04 2016 22:49 MuddyJam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 22:41 nafta wrote:
So a team that has 1 person who always decides 50 minutes in what they will do and other people who ask for ganks and call summoners/ward positions has democratic shotcalling. Good to know.



yes. Seeing are that 1% of games that goes it 50mins+. But again your making a straw man and ignoring what people are giving you in feedback. This games is mostly about rotations, side wave management etc. You need a collectively input from people. Case and point by your logic:
you define the shotcalling based on who makes a very specific call which rarely comes up and is mostly defined for them based on other elements like scaling (for a 50mins game one team will generally always win a tf).

Was just giving a specific example but whatever you can't make the difference between can and will.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-04 13:55:48
March 04 2016 13:55 GMT
#164
Counter Strike has been going well, at least I haven't witnessed any major delays there.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 04 2016 13:57 GMT
#165
On March 04 2016 22:48 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 22:33 Mensol wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:29 Naphal wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:23 Mensol wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:21 Gahlo wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:19 Disengaged wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:14 MuddyJam wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:10 Disengaged wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:08 MuddyJam wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:05 nafta wrote:
[quote]
Have yet to see democratic shotcalling really work tbh.


depends how you define it.
Everyone in a play should give information and look for and spot options.

Hard to criticise shot calling methods when you don't hear the mics


We've heard how TSM does their shotcalling through numerous "Mic checks" though. They shout over one another while Yellowstar can barely be heard through it all


shot calling is not managing a tf. Macro play has nothing to do with how a team fight is played out. You could have beautiful calling during a tf and still be a clown fiesta and vise versa. The mic checks you see in riots stuff makes for a nice 5 minute video but doesn't really give much insight. A better example would be the mic check on SKT a while back where they are planning mores for the next minute talking about rengar ulti and what is there plan.


Well, I mean, compare the TSM mic checks during team fights and C9 teaming fighting. Hai is the person giving the orders. Saying who to kill, when to back off, when to switch targets, while everyone else is giving small information like whether someone used a summoner, or if an ability is on CD. That kind of information lets Hai decide the best course of action while fights are breaking out.

To be fair, Hai is one of the best shot callers in the world.

So is Yellowstar.


problem is, if nobody listens, does he make a sound?

If you put Hai on this TSM, nobody would listen him as well. the loudest on making the calls on current TSM, and no way your voice going over Bjergsen and DL screaming lol.

Hai is one of the best shotcaller ever played this game.

Wow. I feel old. I read the exact same "west is the best" fanboyism in S2 before Asia came into the picture and showed how bad everyone (except a few European teams) were mediocre.

I hope YS gets sent home ASAP because the ass-licking he gets from some of you is unbearable. You don't even know who called what in TSM today, but surely he is not to blame. Then again, who knows, maybe his shotcalling is the exact opposite of his actual gameplay, which would mean he's the best shotcaller in the universe. (After Hai, of course)


Zzz, TSM games bringing the tensions. I really hope they will never fade away; it'd be boring.

Dont take it offensive but are you new to LoL scene? Just because he has been playing bad in one split doesnt mean that he is a bad player. He already showed success with different kind of rosters in his career, has two Worlds semi finals and one Worlds final in his name.

Everyone on TSM playing bad anyway, perhaps except DL idk. They are mess anyway and its nothing to do with Yellowstar.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-04 13:59:07
March 04 2016 13:58 GMT
#166
Surprised by how rarely we see morgana into gragas. With a kog on your team vs him so makes even more sense.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 04 2016 13:58 GMT
#167
It's been looong time since i watched EU and China team playing. I have no idea what to expect.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
March 04 2016 14:02 GMT
#168
On March 04 2016 22:58 Mensol wrote:
It's been looong time since i watched EU and China team playing. I have no idea what to expect.


You know it's a LPL against LCS game when all the analysts say that LPL is going to win.
Radoq
Profile Joined January 2015
1809 Posts
March 04 2016 14:02 GMT
#169
On March 04 2016 22:58 Mensol wrote:
It's been looong time since i watched EU and China team playing. I have no idea what to expect.


Origen is in a slump but maybe Soaz got tournament buff.
Radoq
Profile Joined January 2015
1809 Posts
March 04 2016 14:07 GMT
#170
EU LANESWAP
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9146 Posts
March 04 2016 14:10 GMT
#171
RNG have to force fights since they don't seem to have any clue how to move around the map
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 04 2016 14:10 GMT
#172
Soaz why on earth would you flash when you 120% dead.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-04 14:14:15
March 04 2016 14:13 GMT
#173
On March 04 2016 22:57 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 22:48 Volband wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:33 Mensol wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:29 Naphal wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:23 Mensol wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:21 Gahlo wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:19 Disengaged wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:14 MuddyJam wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:10 Disengaged wrote:
On March 04 2016 22:08 MuddyJam wrote:
[quote]

depends how you define it.
Everyone in a play should give information and look for and spot options.

Hard to criticise shot calling methods when you don't hear the mics


We've heard how TSM does their shotcalling through numerous "Mic checks" though. They shout over one another while Yellowstar can barely be heard through it all


shot calling is not managing a tf. Macro play has nothing to do with how a team fight is played out. You could have beautiful calling during a tf and still be a clown fiesta and vise versa. The mic checks you see in riots stuff makes for a nice 5 minute video but doesn't really give much insight. A better example would be the mic check on SKT a while back where they are planning mores for the next minute talking about rengar ulti and what is there plan.


Well, I mean, compare the TSM mic checks during team fights and C9 teaming fighting. Hai is the person giving the orders. Saying who to kill, when to back off, when to switch targets, while everyone else is giving small information like whether someone used a summoner, or if an ability is on CD. That kind of information lets Hai decide the best course of action while fights are breaking out.

To be fair, Hai is one of the best shot callers in the world.

So is Yellowstar.


problem is, if nobody listens, does he make a sound?

If you put Hai on this TSM, nobody would listen him as well. the loudest on making the calls on current TSM, and no way your voice going over Bjergsen and DL screaming lol.

Hai is one of the best shotcaller ever played this game.

Wow. I feel old. I read the exact same "west is the best" fanboyism in S2 before Asia came into the picture and showed how bad everyone (except a few European teams) were mediocre.

I hope YS gets sent home ASAP because the ass-licking he gets from some of you is unbearable. You don't even know who called what in TSM today, but surely he is not to blame. Then again, who knows, maybe his shotcalling is the exact opposite of his actual gameplay, which would mean he's the best shotcaller in the universe. (After Hai, of course)


Zzz, TSM games bringing the tensions. I really hope they will never fade away; it'd be boring.

Dont take it offensive but are you new to LoL scene? Just because he has been playing bad in one split doesnt mean that he is a bad player. He already showed success with different kind of rosters in his career, has two Worlds semi finals and one Worlds final in his name.

Everyone on TSM playing bad anyway, perhaps except DL idk. They are mess anyway and its nothing to do with Yellowstar.

I brought my example from S2, so that should answer your question. I started watching LoL in the era, when we were starstruck by such gargantuans like TSM, Moscow 5, CLG, SK, etc. It was the glory days of blissful ignorance. In SC2, everyone was skeptic from the start, given the history of BW? but, hey, it's a new game, a team game, TSM and M5 got to be the best teams in the world, right? Right?! Then MLGs came, then the WC, and the bubble popped. Basically that was the last time when NA could be considered good and they still crashed hard. Though, to be fair, S3 C9 got fucked majorly by Riot's incompetent WC system, they deserved much more than one BO3.
So no, I can't do anything else but roll my eyes, when I read that [insert western player here] is the best at something in the world. Hai has a great story behind him, Riot doing a great job establishing these, so we get hooked in, and he is a really good shotcaller, but by no means the best in the world. It's just so happened that we are sold stories about western people, instead of praising all the shotcallers in the dominating regions from Asia. What will make you tune into NA LCS every week? Knowing that Hai is this demi-god shotcaller, carrying C9 and showing the west how it's done, or some "boring, well-mannered" asian guy, who is even better than him, but he doesn't have nearly as dramatic history as Hai and C9.

And as for YS, how is he not to blame? First of all, I haven't heard any voice comms from this game, I don't know who to blame for the calls, but if you do, please provide me with a source. Maybe there's a leaked voice comm already, where YS telling the team the winning strategy, but Dlift and Bjerg just called him fatty and laughed at him, proceeding to throw the game.
Also, speak up! If Hai was on TSM and they would not listen to him, he would tell them fair and square what's the situation: either listen to him, or he leaves and they can keep running around like headless chickens. Or, at the very least, he could play like... good? Yes, you guys washed him out with excuses that he is not supposed to be a mechanical god, he is a shotcaller, blabla, but right now, he is utterly shallow performance wise. Grab a random CS support and he will be capable of doing what YS pulled off so far in this season, without taking up an import spot.
Radoq
Profile Joined January 2015
1809 Posts
March 04 2016 14:14 GMT
#174
Soaz tilt lol.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 04 2016 14:15 GMT
#175
On March 04 2016 23:14 Radoq wrote:
Soaz tilt lol.


At what point is it just being bad? You can't call every single game tilt man.
Deriao
Profile Joined April 2015
United States132 Posts
March 04 2016 14:17 GMT
#176
soaz seems to be off.
is it it communication
.....
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
March 04 2016 14:17 GMT
#177
This tournament is unwatchable for me. So much buffering for no reason.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
March 04 2016 14:17 GMT
#178
On March 04 2016 23:17 Gahlo wrote:
This tournament is unwatchable for me. So much buffering for no reason.

I'm having no issues.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
March 04 2016 14:18 GMT
#179
Starting to believe in the CLG 2nd place dream
Liquipedia"Expert"
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 04 2016 14:20 GMT
#180
RNG playing pretty dam well. They had that early deficit from the laneswaps but kept their cool and just swung the momentum their way.
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