EPT[NA LCS] Spring Split 2016 Week 5 - Page 9
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
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riotjune
United States3392 Posts
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Miefer
Taiwan229 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9371 Posts
I think it's also time to be strict: Either Yellowstar becomes the main shot caller or he gets benched. Because I am pretty sure he is topping the league in terms of unneceasry deaths and he doesn't have any good engagements either. If you didn't look at the players name, you would probably say he is the worst support in the league. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On February 14 2016 08:55 Hider wrote: Cant help but feel TIP actually had the last real battle in mid if it wasn't for a terrible bard ult blocking any damage they could do. I think it's also time to be strict: Either Yellowstar becomes the main shot caller or he gets benched. Because I am pretty sure he is topping the league in terms of unneceasry deaths and he doesn't have any good engagements either. If this hasn't already happened I don't understand TSM. Why would you get a world class shot caller and then NOT give him final say? | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On February 14 2016 08:55 Hider wrote: Cant help but feel TIP actually had the last real battle in mid if it wasn't for a terrible bard ult blocking any damage they could do. I think it's also time to be strict: Either Yellowstar becomes the main shot caller or he gets benched. Because I am pretty sure he is topping the league in terms of unneceasry deaths and he doesn't have any good engagements either. It blows my mind that they hired him if they don't want him to be the main shotcaller who directs everyone. He has literally never been famous for his individual play so why pick him up and not use his best quality? On February 14 2016 08:56 chipmonklord17 wrote: If this hasn't already happened I don't understand TSM. Why would you get a world class shot caller and then NOT give him final say? From the comms they let us hear and interviews it doesn't sound like he is. | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
On February 14 2016 08:56 chipmonklord17 wrote: If this hasn't already happened I don't understand TSM. Why would you get a world class shot caller and then NOT give him final say? I remember reading once about someone saying that TSM tried Yellowstar shotcaller in the beginning and it wasn't working well at all in scrims or something, so they elected to go with the whole democratic shotcalling thing. But that's a quote from an unofficial/unnamed source, so it could easily be a pile of b.s. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9371 Posts
On February 14 2016 08:56 chipmonklord17 wrote: If this hasn't already happened I don't understand TSM. Why would you get a world class shot caller and then NOT give him final say? I think its about having a clear structure in terms of when a specific player is supposed to be the main shotcaller. In old Fnatic, Huni was responsible for TPs and was fantastic at doing so. Reingover was responsible for engagements and was fantastic for doing so. YS is more about map movements and vision control, and should probably have that role as well. But for some reason it hasn't worked out that way. You would think the coaching staff is focussing all of the attentions on setting up a proper communication structure, but it really doesn't seem that way. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
Then there was that time when he just W-Q-d someone in 1v4 or 1v5, not even pressing ult. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9371 Posts
I remember reading once about someone saying that TSM tried Yellowstar shotcaller in the beginning and it wasn't working well at all in scrims or something, so they elected to go with the whole democratic shotcalling thing. DL said something that indicated that. In an interview he started out by saying that they all came from these different backgrounds with various expectations of what the other players were like, and then indicated that these expcations weren't true. After that he also said e had some type of expectation that YS was this big shotcaller. So I think its probably reasonable to assume that YS is not a Hai-type of shotcaller and Huni + RO were a big part of why the old Fnatic was succesful. But if that's true, there is no good reason for keeping YS in the starting lineup. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On February 14 2016 08:44 Jindo wrote: NA blue ez are rather underwhelming Mainly? They aren't playing him with Viktor/LCS plays more tanks than LCK. So last season Viktor was kind of average. His strengths were against Azir but he was weak to pick and weak to having a strong tank line on the other team However in LCK/LPL this season tanks are rare and teams tend to go with massive damage poke/siege teams. So Viktor negates all of EZ's weaknesses (low wave clear) and at the same time the Frozen Fist proc's from EZ make it really easy for Viktor to kite around and lack of engage means you can't fight either of them. There is a "big three" combo of Graves/Viktor/EZ* which is really popular and really strong and at the moment seem to only be losing to A: Lategame picks (I.E. Thresh hooks leading to whombo engages) B: Braum (which totally negated CJ's "big three" comp last game) and/or good engage tanks. Ezreal is only one component of this though, since his damage in and of itself isn't that strong until he is really farmed, and his wave clear is weak; making it hard for him to hold towers/farm while still being useful in team fights. And NA isn't playing EZ with the right combo in mid to utilize his strengths. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9371 Posts
On February 14 2016 09:03 Volband wrote: Don't you need a certain amount of respect to be an effective shotcaller? After this game, I would not trust him to be in control of his own characters, let alone to tell me (assuming I'm an LCS caliber guy in this scenario) what to do. Look at his very first death: He could flash away to safety, or flash in going full ham, and exhausting someone. What did YS do? He slowly walked up to pulverize one people, not even exhausting anyone and just dying for free. It was a complete failure in every possible way; decision making, mechanical execution, you name it. Then there was that time when he just W-Q-d someone in 1v4 or 1v5, not even pressing ult. Yeh, I felt the same thing. It seems that he just takes a lot of dumb decisions. In the recent TSM legends show we also saw him making a call telling everyone to go top and Kindred to go mid. Bjergsen instead said " I go mid" and then Kindred farmed enemy jungle and the rest of them took top tower. So Bjergsens call was actually better than Yellowstar. And while that ofc could just be a simple exception, it's a worrying trend. | ||
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Kontossis
Canada256 Posts
On February 14 2016 09:05 Hider wrote: DL said something that indicated that. In an interview he started out by saying that they all came from these different backgrounds with various expectations of what the other players were like, and then indicated that these expcations weren't true. After that he also said e had some type of expectation that YS was this big shotcaller. So I think its probably reasonable to assume that YS is not a Hai-type of shotcaller and Huni + RO were a big part of why the old Fnatic was succesful. But if that's true, there is no good reason for keeping YS in the starting lineup. People seem to think most of Fnatic's success last season was due to Yellowstar's success story of being a veteran with a group of rookies and leading them to victory, but it seems like it was a stroke of luck that they got the best top/jungle in the western world with a very good mid and ADC. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9112 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9371 Posts
On February 14 2016 09:07 Kontossis wrote: People seem to think most of Fnatic's success last season was due to Yellowstar's success story of being a veteran with a group of rookies and leading them to victory, but it seems like it was a stroke of luck that they got the best top/jungle in the western world with a very good mid and ADC. Yeh this was the story that was being told, and given Immortal's succes and TSM's lack of, it seems reasonable to conclude that it was pretty far off. RO and Huni were probably the major factors for their succes. | ||
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riotjune
United States3392 Posts
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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