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My personal predictions: Day 1: Echo Fox < Renegades NRG > CLG TL > C9 TIP < TSM IMT > DIG
Day 2: Echo Fox < NRG CLG < TSM IMT > C9 TL > Renegades DIG < TIP
I feel like CLG vs TSM and CLG vs NRG can go either way. Other then that most of the matches are pretty clear cut. I think Renegades improved a lot last week with the new support and alex ich finally showing up so we might see them coming back in a good way (if they keep crumbz off nida). C9 is very hit or miss at the moment, however until they replace balls they honestly stand no chance vs IMT.
REN > FOX: Both teams are a mess, but REN at least has their starting imports. This is only if Froggen and kfo are still out. If they're back I'd give the edge to Fox unless Freeze has a carry game with Draven or something.
CLG > NRG: Close game. I give the edge to CLG because NRG is starting to look overrated after losing to Liquid week 3 and C9 week 4. GBM hasn't been the dominant force people claimed he would be, and there are some definite weak points in the lineup. That said, they're still a top 4 team with a pretty good shot at fixing their issues and being much stronger by the time playoffs roll around, and they could easily gain an early edge here if GBM or Impact have a good game.
C9 > Liquid: Liquid's been looking good recently (although I'm not 100% convinced by Dardoch yet), but C9 have been looking unstoppable since they stopped faffing about with platooning their supports, and just embraced that they have to run the Hai-pe train into the ground. Also, if Jensen was able to convincingly beat GBM last week, he is going to absolutely goomba-stomp Fenix.
TSM > TIP: Regardless of TSM's issues, TiP without their loaned players to boost them is still a crap team with mediocre players. TSM should win with little issues off of talent alone.
IMT > DIG: Dig has no chance. IMT will at least get the 9-0, the question is: will they repeat?
Day 2 predictions:
NRG > FOX: Even if Froggen and kfo are back NRG is a better team than them, overrated or not.
CLG > TSM: CLG has a golden opportunity to take advantage of TSM's communication and synergy problems. Being CLG, there's probably a 40% chance they absolutely blow it. I'd still put them as slight favorites.
C9 > IMT: This is the upset pick for the week, mostly because I believe if any team is going to beat Immortals, it will have to be C9 on form with H A I C A L L S. I would not be surprised at all if IMT just runs C9 over, though. In particular, the mismatch on top lane could be C9's undoing.
TL > REN: TL has been looking good recently, and REN has been looking pretty messy, unable to lock down a lineup beyond their two import stars. Piglet should be able to nullify Freeze somewhat. Edge to TL.
DIG > TIP: Again, TiP without someone to boost is destined for last place. It is a Dig game, so there could be a creative throw.
On February 11 2016 06:22 BrownBear wrote: Day 1 Predictions:
RNG > FOX: Both teams are a mess, but RNG at least has their starting imports. This is only if Froggen and kfo are still out. If they're back I'd give the edge to Fox unless Freeze has a carry game with Draven or something.
After the mess that was RNG and NRG (can barely tell the acronyms apart), the official acronym for Renegades is REN in the LCS. Would be good if we used that here, too :p
On February 11 2016 06:22 BrownBear wrote: Day 1 Predictions:
REN > FOX: Both teams are a mess, but REN at least has their starting imports. This is only if Froggen and kfo are still out. If they're back I'd give the edge to Fox unless Freeze has a carry game with Draven or something.
CLG > NRG: Close game. I give the edge to CLG because NRG is starting to look overrated after losing to Liquid week 3 and C9 week 4. GBM hasn't been the dominant force people claimed he would be, and there are some definite weak points in the lineup. That said, they're still a top 4 team with a pretty good shot at fixing their issues and being much stronger by the time playoffs roll around, and they could easily gain an early edge here if GBM or Impact have a good game.
C9 > Liquid: Liquid's been looking good recently (although I'm not 100% convinced by Dardoch yet), but C9 have been looking unstoppable since they stopped faffing about with platooning their supports, and just embraced that they have to run the Hai-pe train into the ground. Also, if Jensen was able to convincingly beat GBM last week, he is going to absolutely goomba-stomp Fenix.
TSM > TIP: Regardless of TSM's issues, TiP without their loaned players to boost them is still a crap team with mediocre players. TSM should win with little issues off of talent alone.
IMT > DIG: Dig has no chance. IMT will at least get the 9-0, the question is: will they repeat?
Day 2 predictions:
NRG > FOX: Even if Froggen and kfo are back NRG is a better team than them, overrated or not.
CLG > TSM: CLG has a golden opportunity to take advantage of TSM's communication and synergy problems. Being CLG, there's probably a 40% chance they absolutely blow it. I'd still put them as slight favorites.
C9 > IMT: This is the upset pick for the week, mostly because I believe if any team is going to beat Immortals, it will have to be C9 on form with H A I C A L L S. I would not be surprised at all if IMT just runs C9 over, though. In particular, the mismatch on top lane could be C9's undoing.
TL > REN: TL has been looking good recently, and REN has been looking pretty messy, unable to lock down a lineup beyond their two import stars. Piglet should be able to nullify Freeze somewhat. Edge to TL.
DIG > TIP: Again, TiP without someone to boost is destined for last place. It is a Dig game, so there could be a creative throw.
Agree. C9 seems like the team to beat IMT based off superior calls, the game against CLG showed that IMT is somewhat sloppy but they could win off having more talent.
NRG vs CLG and C9 vs IMT seem like they will be the most anticipated matches of the week. I'm calling it in NRG and IMT's favor. It also would be really great to see somebody pull out Kog'Maw (maybe Frozen), although I still think he's probably too weak of a champion. Does anybody know which patch these games will be played on?
On February 14 2016 05:43 Shikyo wrote: So why did Crumbzz circle a few times at 2 hp waiting to get caught instead of just running away in a straight line?
Cause its Crumbzz.
Well what to expect from the two last paced teams in NA...
But these guys actually do nothing but play each day and even bootcamped in Korea. Just sad.
Wow Ren just a new kind of bad. What is Flaresz doing this game ?
On February 14 2016 05:44 Numy wrote: So is this season just Freeze trying to market himself one more time but in the money region this time?
To me he at least is proving that he's an ADC that can make it work even without a lot of team support, something that seems to be in short supply in the NA scene.
On February 14 2016 05:39 Dan HH wrote: Who can Renegades realistically replace Crumbz with?
The tricky thing here is recalling back to when this team was formed. Crumbzz is basically half of the founding duo; it's his conversations with Badawi that developed the public philosophy of Renegades. I feel like they're stuck with him, unless he steps down himself. If he does get pushed out though, I'll have a fun time mocking them and the bologna spewed about the org being both a business and a family simultaneously.
On February 14 2016 05:44 Numy wrote: So is this season just Freeze trying to market himself one more time but in the money region this time?
I can kind of see that, but players who take these sort of less desirable, prove it type contracts usually are at somewhere around the nadir of their value. And Freeze's market value should still have been pretty high prior to this season, right?
Probably an early smite for the obvious reason of... Malphite ulti knockup stops you smiting and Kindred was there. (And yes, the ulti hadn't been used, but it would have been anticipated so he probably wanted to smite before it went off)
On February 14 2016 06:46 Lonyo wrote: Probably an early smite for the obvious reason of... Malphite ulti knockup stops you smiting and Kindred was there. (And yes, the ulti hadn't been used, but it would have been anticipated so he probably wanted to smite before it went off)
On February 14 2016 06:46 Lonyo wrote: Probably an early smite for the obvious reason of... Malphite ulti knockup stops you smiting and Kindred was there.
I dont like CLG but that made me feel sorry for them. So much work for 30 mins, meticulously building a lead inch by inch. Then all thrown away in a second.
On February 14 2016 06:49 Redox wrote: I dont like CLG but that made me feel sorry for them. So much work for 30 mins, meticulously building a lead inch by inch. Then all thrown away in a second.
It's like they randomly decide to ignore all they been doing to win. I don't get it at all.
On February 14 2016 06:49 Redox wrote: I dont like CLG but that made me feel sorry for them. So much work for 30 mins, meticulously building a lead inch by inch. Then all thrown away in a second.
It's like they randomly decide to ignore all they been doing to win. I don't get it at all.
Got bored.
I guess they felt they were getting outscaled and decided it is a now or never moment.
This game was lost solo by Moon, at this point I don't really think he can get better. If NRG get a competent jungler they can challenge for #1 I think though.
On February 14 2016 07:00 Ansibled wrote: This game was lost solo by Moon, at this point I don't really think he can get better. If NRG get a competent jungler they can challenge for #1 I think though.
There were so many times where if moon just pressed r they wouldn't lose the fight. Even ignoring the whole not ganking and having 0 pressure he was still useless. Might as well go on sighstone nunu duty at this point.
On February 14 2016 07:00 Ansibled wrote: This game was lost solo by Moon, at this point I don't really think he can get better. If NRG get a competent jungler they can challenge for #1 I think though.
NRG should have never been in the position to win that game, they lost in p&b and were only given a chance by CLG's fuckup
On February 14 2016 07:17 IMoperator wrote: doesnt fenix have some of the best stats out of all NA LCS mids tho?
He still farms well and isn't THAT bad of a player, he just shuts off his brain every now and again. Something that was recitified by the end of last year and is for some reason back again
Seriously Hai misses bindings 24/7 and Balls TLs in too lately randomly. What is going on this game. TLs early-mid game is so garbage every single game.
On February 14 2016 07:49 Radoq wrote: Useless Quinn is useless lol. I cant believe TL thought Quinn would be better than Fiora.
it's not the champ that's bad, it's how they're playing it. This TL comp is a great 1-3-1 splitpush comp but TL got behind early and also seem to have no idea how to play it.
On February 14 2016 07:49 Radoq wrote: Useless Quinn is useless lol. I cant believe TL thought Quinn would be better than Fiora.
it's not the champ that's bad, it's how they're playing it. This TL comp is a great 1-3-1 splitpush comp but TL got behind early and also seem to have no idea how to play it.
You have to really wonder how important Yellowstar was in Fnatic, because to me, it only really seems like the package of Huni + Reignover was what made Fnatic so good last season.
On February 14 2016 08:34 Kontossis wrote: You have to really wonder how important Yellowstar was in Fnatic, because to me, it only really seems like the package of Huni + Reignover was what made Fnatic so good last season.
yeah looks the same to me. also either TSM doesn't listen to his "godlike" shotcalling, or he wasn't really that good of a shotcaller in the first place.
I am physically cringing from how he's costing TSM the game so far. No, his teammates are not impressive by any means, but holy cow, 4 mistakes already in 18 mins.
HE HEADBUTTS A LEBLANC. HE HEADB--- im done, wow.
edit: well, he's gonna get carried once again. hopefully they fire him by the start of summer split
On February 14 2016 08:34 Kontossis wrote: You have to really wonder how important Yellowstar was in Fnatic, because to me, it only really seems like the package of Huni + Reignover was what made Fnatic so good last season.
Huni + RO look so good because the rest of NA is so shit this season.
On February 14 2016 08:41 Volband wrote: Did you guys expect a Zilean to shit on LB or what? Not sure about the criticism appearing during the laning phase, which he technically won.
On February 14 2016 08:34 Kontossis wrote: You have to really wonder how important Yellowstar was in Fnatic, because to me, it only really seems like the package of Huni + Reignover was what made Fnatic so good last season.
Huni + RO look so good because the rest of NA is so shit this season.
Did they also dominate EU last season because of NA?
I dont know how relevant this "communication problems" mantra is for many of those TSM misplays. You dont tell anyone that you would like to be Zilean ulted when you get bursted out, Zilean player just has to do it. In soloQ these would be misplays just the same.
Riot should change Nautilus' model, because it looks deceptively tanky, but Feng greatly demonstrates time and time again, that he might as well been a cannon minion.
On February 14 2016 08:34 Kontossis wrote: You have to really wonder how important Yellowstar was in Fnatic, because to me, it only really seems like the package of Huni + Reignover was what made Fnatic so good last season.
Huni + RO look so good because the rest of NA is so shit this season.
Did they also dominate EU last season because of NA?
Well Fnatic did. The rest of the team might have sth to do with it lol.
fnc dint dominate the whole summer splitt as far as i remembered the games. they struggled quite a bit in the mid of the splitt into playoffs when they lost every early game and drag it out into a win because Febiven was on a scaling mid and carried them through bad early game.
Cant help but feel TIP actually had the last real battle in mid if it wasn't for a terrible bard ult blocking any damage they could do. Seraph also just looked a ton better than Feng. He almost matches Billyboss in terms of bad TP's.
I think it's also time to be strict: Either Yellowstar becomes the main shot caller or he gets benched. Because I am pretty sure he is topping the league in terms of unneceasry deaths and he doesn't have any good engagements either. If you didn't look at the players name, you would probably say he is the worst support in the league.
On February 14 2016 08:55 Hider wrote: Cant help but feel TIP actually had the last real battle in mid if it wasn't for a terrible bard ult blocking any damage they could do.
I think it's also time to be strict: Either Yellowstar becomes the main shot caller or he gets benched. Because I am pretty sure he is topping the league in terms of unneceasry deaths and he doesn't have any good engagements either.
If this hasn't already happened I don't understand TSM. Why would you get a world class shot caller and then NOT give him final say?
On February 14 2016 08:55 Hider wrote: Cant help but feel TIP actually had the last real battle in mid if it wasn't for a terrible bard ult blocking any damage they could do.
I think it's also time to be strict: Either Yellowstar becomes the main shot caller or he gets benched. Because I am pretty sure he is topping the league in terms of unneceasry deaths and he doesn't have any good engagements either.
It blows my mind that they hired him if they don't want him to be the main shotcaller who directs everyone. He has literally never been famous for his individual play so why pick him up and not use his best quality?
On February 14 2016 08:55 Hider wrote: Cant help but feel TIP actually had the last real battle in mid if it wasn't for a terrible bard ult blocking any damage they could do.
I think it's also time to be strict: Either Yellowstar becomes the main shot caller or he gets benched. Because I am pretty sure he is topping the league in terms of unneceasry deaths and he doesn't have any good engagements either.
If this hasn't already happened I don't understand TSM. Why would you get a world class shot caller and then NOT give him final say?
From the comms they let us hear and interviews it doesn't sound like he is.
On February 14 2016 08:55 Hider wrote: Cant help but feel TIP actually had the last real battle in mid if it wasn't for a terrible bard ult blocking any damage they could do.
I think it's also time to be strict: Either Yellowstar becomes the main shot caller or he gets benched. Because I am pretty sure he is topping the league in terms of unneceasry deaths and he doesn't have any good engagements either.
If this hasn't already happened I don't understand TSM. Why would you get a world class shot caller and then NOT give him final say?
I remember reading once about someone saying that TSM tried Yellowstar shotcaller in the beginning and it wasn't working well at all in scrims or something, so they elected to go with the whole democratic shotcalling thing.
But that's a quote from an unofficial/unnamed source, so it could easily be a pile of b.s.
On February 14 2016 08:55 Hider wrote: Cant help but feel TIP actually had the last real battle in mid if it wasn't for a terrible bard ult blocking any damage they could do.
I think it's also time to be strict: Either Yellowstar becomes the main shot caller or he gets benched. Because I am pretty sure he is topping the league in terms of unneceasry deaths and he doesn't have any good engagements either.
If this hasn't already happened I don't understand TSM. Why would you get a world class shot caller and then NOT give him final say?
I think its about having a clear structure in terms of when a specific player is supposed to be the main shotcaller.
In old Fnatic, Huni was responsible for TPs and was fantastic at doing so. Reingover was responsible for engagements and was fantastic for doing so. YS is more about map movements and vision control, and should probably have that role as well. But for some reason it hasn't worked out that way. You would think the coaching staff is focussing all of the attentions on setting up a proper communication structure, but it really doesn't seem that way.
Don't you need a certain amount of respect to be an effective shotcaller? After this game, I would not trust him to be in control of his own characters, let alone to tell me (assuming I'm an LCS caliber guy in this scenario) what to do. Look at his very first death: He could flash away to safety, or flash in going full ham, and exhausting someone. What did YS do? He slowly walked up to pulverize one people, not even exhausting anyone and just dying for free. It was a complete failure in every possible way; decision making, mechanical execution, you name it.
Then there was that time when he just W-Q-d someone in 1v4 or 1v5, not even pressing ult.
I remember reading once about someone saying that TSM tried Yellowstar shotcaller in the beginning and it wasn't working well at all in scrims or something, so they elected to go with the whole democratic shotcalling thing.
DL said something that indicated that. In an interview he started out by saying that they all came from these different backgrounds with various expectations of what the other players were like, and then indicated that these expcations weren't true. After that he also said e had some type of expectation that YS was this big shotcaller. So I think its probably reasonable to assume that YS is not a Hai-type of shotcaller and Huni + RO were a big part of why the old Fnatic was succesful.
But if that's true, there is no good reason for keeping YS in the starting lineup.
On February 14 2016 08:44 Jindo wrote: NA blue ez are rather underwhelming
Mainly? They aren't playing him with Viktor/LCS plays more tanks than LCK.
So last season Viktor was kind of average. His strengths were against Azir but he was weak to pick and weak to having a strong tank line on the other team
However in LCK/LPL this season tanks are rare and teams tend to go with massive damage poke/siege teams. So Viktor negates all of EZ's weaknesses (low wave clear) and at the same time the Frozen Fist proc's from EZ make it really easy for Viktor to kite around and lack of engage means you can't fight either of them. There is a "big three" combo of Graves/Viktor/EZ* which is really popular and really strong and at the moment seem to only be losing to
A: Lategame picks (I.E. Thresh hooks leading to whombo engages) B: Braum (which totally negated CJ's "big three" comp last game) and/or good engage tanks.
Ezreal is only one component of this though, since his damage in and of itself isn't that strong until he is really farmed, and his wave clear is weak; making it hard for him to hold towers/farm while still being useful in team fights. And NA isn't playing EZ with the right combo in mid to utilize his strengths.
On February 14 2016 09:03 Volband wrote: Don't you need a certain amount of respect to be an effective shotcaller? After this game, I would not trust him to be in control of his own characters, let alone to tell me (assuming I'm an LCS caliber guy in this scenario) what to do. Look at his very first death: He could flash away to safety, or flash in going full ham, and exhausting someone. What did YS do? He slowly walked up to pulverize one people, not even exhausting anyone and just dying for free. It was a complete failure in every possible way; decision making, mechanical execution, you name it.
Then there was that time when he just W-Q-d someone in 1v4 or 1v5, not even pressing ult.
Yeh, I felt the same thing. It seems that he just takes a lot of dumb decisions. In the recent TSM legends show we also saw him making a call telling everyone to go top and Kindred to go mid. Bjergsen instead said " I go mid" and then Kindred farmed enemy jungle and the rest of them took top tower. So Bjergsens call was actually better than Yellowstar. And while that ofc could just be a simple exception, it's a worrying trend.
I remember reading once about someone saying that TSM tried Yellowstar shotcaller in the beginning and it wasn't working well at all in scrims or something, so they elected to go with the whole democratic shotcalling thing.
DL said something that indicated that. In an interview he started out by saying that they all came from these different backgrounds with various expectations of what the other players were like, and then indicated that these expcations weren't true. After that he also said e had some type of expectation that YS was this big shotcaller. So I think its probably reasonable to assume that YS is not a Hai-type of shotcaller and Huni + RO were a big part of why the old Fnatic was succesful.
But if that's true, there is no good reason for keeping YS in the starting lineup.
People seem to think most of Fnatic's success last season was due to Yellowstar's success story of being a veteran with a group of rookies and leading them to victory, but it seems like it was a stroke of luck that they got the best top/jungle in the western world with a very good mid and ADC.
I remember reading once about someone saying that TSM tried Yellowstar shotcaller in the beginning and it wasn't working well at all in scrims or something, so they elected to go with the whole democratic shotcalling thing.
DL said something that indicated that. In an interview he started out by saying that they all came from these different backgrounds with various expectations of what the other players were like, and then indicated that these expcations weren't true. After that he also said e had some type of expectation that YS was this big shotcaller. So I think its probably reasonable to assume that YS is not a Hai-type of shotcaller and Huni + RO were a big part of why the old Fnatic was succesful.
But if that's true, there is no good reason for keeping YS in the starting lineup.
People seem to think most of Fnatic's success last season was due to Yellowstar's success story of being a veteran with a group of rookies and leading them to victory, but it seems like it was a stroke of luck that they got the best top/jungle in the western world with a very good mid and ADC.
Yeh this was the story that was being told, and given Immortal's succes and TSM's lack of, it seems reasonable to conclude that it was pretty far off. RO and Huni were probably the major factors for their succes.
Why pick Janna when you don't how to play vs Soraka lane? The soraka pick should be expected with the Janna ban. Would make more sense to ban Soraka and pick Janna.
On February 14 2016 09:24 Mensol wrote: Huni is having brain fart time to time but damn, ReignOver is solid as fuck.
To be fair, RO did have a breakdown that costed them the lead vs Koo Tigers G1.
But both RO and Huni make so many important - and yes risky - plays. But these plays work out 95% of the time and easily pay for the 5% where it doesn't work out.
I wonder if Jatt held himself from voicing Kalista's ult as broken. I don't see another word for it when we have this example. We only lack Lulu or Janna used offensively with that ult and we'll have seen even the defensive supports used to initiate. o/
On February 14 2016 09:34 Miefer wrote: POB is doing good on mid. he gets no support and gets camped still even on cs.
Elise came twice, maybe 3 times, and Ahri roamed top multiple times, actually. If you want a camp look at RO camping for Huni.
On February 14 2016 09:30 Hider wrote: I don't understand why Huni is playing Gangplank. According to Montecristo he cannot play it because he performed poor at it once in summer playoffs.
Because obviously a performance against the legendary billyboss/kirei dynamic duo gives us a very good demonstration of his skill level
On February 14 2016 09:30 Hider wrote: I don't understand why Huni is playing Gangplank. According to Montecristo he cannot play it because he performed poor at it once in summer playoffs.
Because obviously a performance against the legendary billyboss/kirei dynamic duo gives us a very good demonstration of his skill level
No but basing the skill level of a player from 1 game, and assuming that skill level is unchanged several months later is retarded and it is what Montecristo did at worlds.
Monte and Thorin spews so much dumb shit (mostly the latter though), and its almost never called out on. It seems that Thorin has decided to focus more on CSGO though, which is a good thing.
well monte had only these games after playoffs to base his opinion. between end of summer and worlds wasnt any official games to get any information on huni champ pool. also its last years buisnes. its not like monte said that right now.
On February 14 2016 09:30 Hider wrote: I don't understand why Huni is playing Gangplank. According to Montecristo he cannot play it because he performed poor at it once in summer playoffs.
Because obviously a performance against the legendary billyboss/kirei dynamic duo gives us a very good demonstration of his skill level
No but basing the skill level of a player from 1 game, and assuming that skill level is unchanged several months later is retarded and it is what Montecristo did at worlds.
Monte and Thorin spews so much dumb shit (mostly the latter though), and its almost never called out on. It seems that Thorin has decided to focus more on CSGO though, which is a good thing.
Compared to a lot of the riot casters they really don't that is why it never happens.
Also when that is your only evidence why would you decide he can play it? Don't see anything wrong with that statement.
On February 14 2016 09:43 Lost My Will To Live wrote: Reignover is too good for NA and EU.
I think the scary thing is that in Korea, he was considered a bottom tier jungler and had the moniker "game over."
It worries me that even with this level of domination in NA, Immortals will still get dominated on the international stage. Similar to C9 in season 3 summer.
On February 14 2016 09:42 Ansibled wrote: H2k with Ryu I would say is better.
If you want to judge them on recent performances with Selfie it seems a bit harsh.
Immortals doesn't have a glaring weakness, whereas Odo even loses lane to the likes of Csacsi and Kikis. I imagine that would be exploited hard. Plus Forgiven has the dumbest builds lately.
On February 14 2016 09:43 Lost My Will To Live wrote: Reignover is too good for NA and EU.
I think the scary thing is that in Korea, he was considered a bottom tier jungler and had the moniker "game over."
It worries me that even with this level of domination in NA, Immortals will still get dominated on the international stage. Similar to C9 in season 3 summer.
This might be a shocking discovery for you but players can improve. All those players at some point weren't even diamond level.
On February 14 2016 09:43 Lost My Will To Live wrote: Reignover is too good for NA and EU.
I think the scary thing is that in Korea, he was considered a bottom tier jungler and had the moniker "game over."
It worries me that even with this level of domination in NA, Immortals will still get dominated on the international stage. Similar to C9 in season 3 summer.
It was like 1.5 years ago. Smeb was also used to be meme, now he is top tier.
On February 14 2016 09:43 Lost My Will To Live wrote: Reignover is too good for NA and EU.
I think the scary thing is that in Korea, he was considered a bottom tier jungler and had the moniker "game over."
It worries me that even with this level of domination in NA, Immortals will still get dominated on the international stage. Similar to C9 in season 3 summer.
Dunno, he was doin pretty well against SKT at MSI last year. Part of the reason they took SKT to 5 games. Players can develop and grow and you know improve over time.
There are 4-5 teams in EU who are better than IMT. Do you not watch the games ? Ye try early camping for a GP vs any half decent team. Not even speaking of the shit Turtle does every game. And their support is playing Soraka lol.
On February 14 2016 09:50 Kenpark wrote: There are 4-5 teams in EU who are better than IMT. Do you not watch the games ? Ye try early camping for a GP vs any half decent team. Not even speaking of the shit Turtle does every game. And their support is playing Soraka lol.
lol have u watched eu lol. just a bunch of clowns runnin around.
On February 14 2016 09:39 Hider wrote: Remember guys, H2K are definitely a better team than Immortals.
On February 14 2016 09:37 nafta wrote:
On February 14 2016 09:30 Hider wrote: I don't understand why Huni is playing Gangplank. According to Montecristo he cannot play it because he performed poor at it once in summer playoffs.
Because obviously a performance against the legendary billyboss/kirei dynamic duo gives us a very good demonstration of his skill level
No but basing the skill level of a player from 1 game, and assuming that skill level is unchanged several months later is retarded and it is what Montecristo did at worlds.
Monte and Thorin spews so much dumb shit (mostly the latter though), and its almost never called out on. It seems that Thorin has decided to focus more on CSGO though, which is a good thing.
Compared to a lot of the riot casters they really don't that is why it never happens.
Also when that is your only evidence why would you decide he can play it? Don't see anything wrong with that statement.
You do sound incredibly salty though.
When did I decide he could play it? I didn't say anything about that. I just said it was dumb he would decide to play it but when Monte told him could not play it. (That was what happened during worlds).
In terms of salty, I think its extremely problematic when two community creators have such a gigantic impact on creating what people are supposed to mean of different players. There are ton of thing wrongs with their argumentation and how they come to conclusions.
You do sound incredibly salty though.
Well you could opt not to misinterpret what I actually wrote.
Yea randomly bringing up a comment from someone months ago and saying "wow look at him how wrong he is" doesn't sound salty at all it is only me misinterpreting.
On February 14 2016 09:43 Lost My Will To Live wrote: Reignover is too good for NA and EU.
I think the scary thing is that in Korea, he was considered a bottom tier jungler and had the moniker "game over."
It worries me that even with this level of domination in NA, Immortals will still get dominated on the international stage. Similar to C9 in season 3 summer.
And Smeb got the LongPanda award during the same time frame. People improve and find teams that suit them better. RO performed well internationally with Fnatic VS junglers like Bengi, Kakao, Clearlove, etc., I don't think the "GameOver" moniker has been relevant for about 5 months now.
well monte had only these games after playoffs to base his opinion. between end of summer and worlds wasnt any official games to get any information on huni champ pool. also its last years buisnes. its not like monte said that right now.
The default assumption should be that Huni - who is mechanically strong and likes to play carries - probably had practiced a ton of Gangplank and would be very good at it by Worlds. Unless you performed extensive research on his soloq games/scrims, you shouldn't say anything else about his expected level of the champion going into worlds.
his games on gp looked lackluster and at worlds gp was banned every game anyway. i cant even remember when monte said that during worlds. also just becasue huni has good mecahnics doent mean he can play every champ godlike. look at byfargiven. cant play kalista even super gifted mechanically.
No. He played it against EDG, whereafter EDG banned it the next game. Why did other teams even ban it vs Fnatic? Didn't they listen to Monte?
And it's weird, but Fnatic - during worlds - was actually the team most willing to take GP and play it into Morde. Seems weird. Shouldn't Deilor know that Huni cannot play it? Or shouldn't Huni himself know he cannot play it?
also just becasue huni has good mecahnics doent mean he can play every champ godlike. look at byfargiven. cant play kalista even super gifted mechanically.
Sneaky played bad Jhin during one soloqgame I watched. So I am going to assume he will continue to be bad at it even if it becomes meta and he has had 2 months to practice on it.
My default assumption is that mechanically gifted players cannot actually learn to play mechanically difficult champions if they weren't good on it after one week.
/S
TLDR; You should understand the implications of a default assumption. A default assumption doesn't mean something is 100%, but its the most likely scenario.
i cant even remember when monte said that during worlds
Monte on SI prior to worlds (like 1-2 weeks) was so happy to tell the viewers about Huni not being able to play the champion. He stated it one episode. Then next episode, he wanted to bring it up again: "Hey Thorin let me tell you who can and cannot play GP. Soaz can, Huni cannot". (or something like that).
Pls get your facts straight before talking nonsense. Fnc didnt pick GP at all. It was a 3 0 vs edg with GP banned every game. Even in group stage GP banned 100%. And 2 weeks before worlds to Februar 2016 u cant change your mind? Huni was Bad at gp i agree withm onte before worlds from what er saw. He could have improved now 4 months later. But to be honest vs dig he wasnt outstanding either. . But whatever picking a Quote from somebody 4-5 months ago to prove he is wrong now seems you are just nitpicking because you are biased vs monte..
No. He played it against EDG, whereafter EDG banned it the next game. Why did other teams even ban it vs Fnatic? Didn't they listen to Monte?
And it's weird, but Fnatic - during worlds - was actually the team most willing to take GP and play it into Morde. Seems weird. Shouldn't Deilor know that Huni cannot play it? Or shouldn't Huni himself know he cannot play it?
also just becasue huni has good mecahnics doent mean he can play every champ godlike. look at byfargiven. cant play kalista even super gifted mechanically.
Sneaky played bad Jhin during one soloqgame I watched. So I am going to assume he will continue to be bad at it even if it becomes meta and he has had 2 months to practice on it.
My default assumption is that mechanically gifted players cannot actually learn to play mechanically difficult champions if they weren't good on it after one week.
/S
TLDR; You should understand the implications of a default assumption. A default assumption doesn't mean something is 100%, but its the most likely scenario.
i cant even remember when monte said that during worlds
Monte on SI prior to worlds (like 1-2 weeks) was so happy to tell the viewers about Huni not being able to play the champion. He stated it one episode. Then next episode, he wanted to bring it up again: "Hey Thorin let me tell you who can and cannot play GP. Soaz can, Huni cannot". (or something like that).
I mean on the worlds patch GP was a better midlaner if your mid could play it anyway, only reason to send it top is if you had some gp socialist like origin or something.
On February 15 2016 05:42 Redox wrote: Most obvious malph ult ever. Idk.
Yeah, although he did have a really good feel for the range, I thought he would only clip half of them. Terrible positioning by NRG though, it's Malphite for God's sake, he lives for his ult otherwise he's just a big rock.
On February 15 2016 05:57 Miefer wrote: the infamous korea bootcamp. curse of na lcs teams
Seriously what the fuck were NRG and REN doing there? Monte mentioned REN getting smashed by ROX in scrims (no surprise there) but I just have to imagine they improved at least 1% from their time there right?
What was he supposed to do, he does negative damage to Malphite, and his team kept getting blown up. Plus a fed Cait and Corki with their ranged poke, he can't get near enough to do consistent damage.
How does moon, with evelyn and not great pink ward coverage, HAVE ONE GANK PRE 20 MINUTES?!?!?! You are playing fucking evelyn, DO SOMETHING. When impact was getting ganked by malphite/graves, slowly dying at top lane, did you all see what moon was doing?
Moon was busy slowly killing the scuttle bug. Corki had time to get to top before moon EVEN MADE A MOVE TO GO TO TOP! The most worthless jungle NA.
On February 15 2016 06:16 suicideyear wrote: it's clg vs tsm and guaranteed to be a huge clown fiesta but i still manage to have no hype for it. am i getting old
I kinda expect CLG to win this one without clowning but you never know
With lane Swaps all Eve can gank early was a CC less GP vs corki. After that it was 3 man mid constantly and top lane pushed to Tier 2 with Eve having sightstone and no done junge item. Can only blame the Eve pick. Play wise there was nothing to gank.
On February 15 2016 06:20 Miefer wrote: With lane Swaps all Eve can gank early was a CC less GP vs corki. After that it was 3 man mid constantly and top lane pushed to Tier 2 with Eve having sightstone and no done junge item. Can only blame the Eve pick. Play wise there was nothing to gank.
Yep, unless he carried a ward and tried to get behind the Cait farming with a tp flank there wasn't anything else he really could do
On February 15 2016 06:16 suicideyear wrote: it's clg vs tsm and guaranteed to be a huge clown fiesta but i still manage to have no hype for it. am i getting old
The gap between Immortals and the rest kills the hype in NA, they're so good it's hard to take other teams seriously
A bit off topic but this would be the perfect meta for meteos. Lane Swaps with junger farming to mid game and he doesnt have to buy aegis as nid, graves or kindred. Maybe nrg should get out the big bucks.
CLG are idiots. If they're going to play like this then this game is done, regardless of counterpicking themselves after gifting TSM a t1 botlane combo.
On February 15 2016 06:41 DarkCore wrote: TSM is just slowly winning this game, moments of excitement but ultimately a pretty straight forward game.
I don't mind the Ashe pick tbh in itself, it's just I don't see her living through so much engage.
I wouldn't mind them picking Varus, if they were going for similar kit....Varus is in a much better state than Ashe. But even that is super bad because TSM has high mobility and hard knockup comp in Lissandra, Graves, Kalista and Alistar..Absolutely bad for Ashe/Varus or any no mobility champ.
clg tried to be slick and try and put together some kind of team comp
you're not ppd drafting for evil geniuses with some crazy counterpick to everything, just pick fiora/graves and the power picks like everyone else, i can't believe they let this draft through
I am so tilted right now....I was looking forward to a good match between Clg and TSM. This is worse than any of the matches I've seen all season (didn't bother watching IMT vs TIP).
... Ashe ults. Kalista ults and sends Alistar forward. The "ball" containing Alistar goes through the arrow.
The arrow is considering to have "hit" him and so noone gets stunned, because he can't be cc'd in this state (nor take damage). Meanwhile the "ball" ends its path so it does its thing, gets people cc'd, and Alistar pretty much isn't cc'd at all between the travel time and the "bounce" post-landing.
On February 15 2016 06:49 Sunaj wrote: Thing is, TSM doesn't look different, CLG just literally lost in champ select Jatt lol.
IKR...I can't believe CLG made TSM look better than they are actually playing atm. The circlejerk around TSM being best team in NA is back for the week, boys. \
Even without the champ select thing, Huhi got solo killed and while CLG's botlane did fine Svenskeren, for all the camps he lost, had a lot more actual presence in the lanes and pressured bot enough that all CLG lanes were behind.
First match of the split I bet TSM because CLG aren't ever clutch. TSM play like shit and lose. This time I bet CLG because TSM are clueless and directionless and CLG have a good macro game to simply get more stuff than TSM and ride that lead. CLG gifts TSM everything they're comfortable on/is braindead enough for them not to fuck up too much, then get wrecked by themselves. Urgh.
On February 15 2016 06:54 wei2coolman wrote: This is the kind of TSM I expected, glad they look good this game.
That game looked bad not just for CLG, but for TSM as well. They couldn't close the game cleanly or fast...IMT/C9 would've close the game in literally less than 20 min.
On February 15 2016 06:48 Alaric wrote: ... Ashe ults. Kalista ults and sends Alistar forward. The "ball" containing Alistar goes through the arrow.
The arrow is considering to have "hit" him and so noone gets stunned, because he can't be cc'd in this state (nor take damage). Meanwhile the "ball" ends its path so it does its thing, gets people cc'd, and Alistar pretty much isn't cc'd at all between the travel time and the "bounce" post-landing.
Hopefully C9/IMT don't out-draft themselves like CLG and actually give us good games. I have to go atm, so can't watch the match. FeelsBadMan. Hopefully its a good game and I can watch it later. This CLG-TSM show has tilted me .
On February 15 2016 07:04 Numy wrote: I missed the game but I see TSM with Fiora/Ali/Kalista/Graves and CLG with a freaking Ryze. What on earth went down in the drafting phase.
First pick Ryze for CLG, then Ashe against TSM's Kalista and Alistar... What could go wrong with this draft lol?
On February 15 2016 06:54 wei2coolman wrote: This is the kind of TSM I expected, glad they look good this game.
You expected TSM that wins vs awful draft? Nice.
Well that's how I expected them to play since the beginning of the season, they have good players everywhere. I still expect shotcall issues, but they were also falling part individually throughout the season. At least they looked decent individually this game.
On February 15 2016 07:04 Numy wrote: I missed the game but I see TSM with Fiora/Ali/Kalista/Graves and CLG with a freaking Ryze. What on earth went down in the drafting phase.
First pick Ryze for CLG, then Ashe against TSM's Kalista and Alistar... What could go wrong with this draft lol?
It's baffling that these teams have multiple people working on the draft and yet completely shit the bed so hard so often.
Pobelter didn't do anything much with Lux most of yesterday. At least early, although it does get more power late game, but he had pretty much no impact for most of the early game with it.
On February 15 2016 07:44 Redox wrote: 4k dmg for Jhin, not so bad.
It's not about whether Jhin does "not so bad", but whether he does better than a different champion in the same role would do, like... Kalista. Or Lucian. Or Corki.
Well, as a C9 fan I am still satisfied. They gave Immortals the biggest fight they possibly could, but Immortals just has much better mechanics and team fighting.
On February 15 2016 07:51 Radoq wrote: Jhin still confirmed garbage lol.
he got some clutch ults off but ultimately kalista just did way more DPS than him and there's no way for jhin to ever match that dmg output because of reload function
but unlike the other reload hero graves, jhin doesn't' have that kind of burst to do ironman numbers
On February 15 2016 07:53 Kyo Yuy wrote: Well, as a C9 fan I am still satisfied. They gave Immortals the biggest fight they possibly could, but Immortals just has much better mechanics and team fighting.
Dunno about that, I think the mechanics are true but I think C9 could have won this game with actual ADC. Jhin looks spectacular and got some good kills, but imagine a Lucian in any of those team fights.
On February 15 2016 07:51 nafta wrote: Fun game at least. Rush and balls very underwhelming jhin not very useful rip
rush played well, reignover was just better
When you get outclassed this much you didn't play well.
ok then
How many big plays did he have? How many lanes did he gank compared to RO? Jungle is the most influental role. You can't be this far behind while making no influental plays and claim to be relevant.
On February 15 2016 07:51 Radoq wrote: Jhin still confirmed garbage lol.
he got some clutch ults off but ultimately kalista just did way more DPS than him and there's no way for jhin to ever match that dmg output because of reload function
but unlike the other reload hero graves, jhin doesn't' have that kind of burst to do ironman numbers
He's got traps and 3k range poke, he's better not outdamage the 400 range dude.
On February 15 2016 07:51 Radoq wrote: Jhin still confirmed garbage lol.
he got some clutch ults off but ultimately kalista just did way more DPS than him and there's no way for jhin to ever match that dmg output because of reload function
but unlike the other reload hero graves, jhin doesn't' have that kind of burst to do ironman numbers
He's got traps and 3k range poke, he's better not outdamage the 400 range dude.
you're right, but i expect the next 2 weeks to have a handful of jhins losing in pro play and riot giving him kneejerk damage buffs and making him s tier for no real reason
On February 15 2016 07:51 Radoq wrote: Jhin still confirmed garbage lol.
he got some clutch ults off but ultimately kalista just did way more DPS than him and there's no way for jhin to ever match that dmg output because of reload function
but unlike the other reload hero graves, jhin doesn't' have that kind of burst to do ironman numbers
He's got traps and 3k range poke, he's better not outdamage the 400 range dude.
you're right, but i expect the next 2 weeks to have a handful of jhins losing in pro play and riot giving him kneejerk damage buffs and making him s tier for no real reason
gotta make him s tier so people will spend money on buying him.
On February 15 2016 07:53 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Also, what a disgusting game by WildTurtle, even if we ignore maw/steraks, Lux shields, fotm, Nidalee heals and Braum, etc, etc.
I'm curious why you think maw/steraks is bad in that specific scenario.
The biggest issue with Jhin is that it takes 2 seconds for him to reload after firing his 4 shots.
2 seconds of doing literal 0 damage in a teamfight. 2 seconds of just walking around, hoping no one jumps on you and blows you up.
If they want to buff Jhin to be competitive and more useful in a teamfight, let AS boost how fast his reload speed is. Basically have it be where if you have normal ADC runes and build one Zeal-based item (probably Rapidfire Cannon) that it'll decrease his reload speed to 1 second.
Honestly, if C9 was going to pick Jhin into Kalista, they needed to ban Braum or bait IMT to go Kalista + Alistair, as the Braum shield is why Jhin didn't get some kills early on when Sneaky and Hai traded kills early on in bot lane with Turtle and Adrian.
On February 15 2016 07:51 Radoq wrote: Jhin still confirmed garbage lol.
he got some clutch ults off but ultimately kalista just did way more DPS than him and there's no way for jhin to ever match that dmg output because of reload function
but unlike the other reload hero graves, jhin doesn't' have that kind of burst to do ironman numbers
He's got traps and 3k range poke, he's better not outdamage the 400 range dude.
His 3k range poke is on a 2 minute cooldown. He just seems terrible in the ADC role for the team. So many times in these fights he was just running around not actually attacking anyone. Maybe it was just Sneaky playing poorly but dam Jhin looked horrible in that game.
He might work well in a poke comp, but with that comp he was useless. You have close range engage AOE damage top/support, kind of jungle. You have short range with some AOE mid who's immobile. Viktor was the waveclear which hurts you in fights.
Jhin is better to support with a long range poke comp, probably, which they didn't have. They also had no secondary ADC/marksman to do basic shit like take down towers, and Malphite isn't suited for that either.
Basically there were things missing that it seems like Jhin needs, like a tower killer and some poke damage for him to add to. They had a close range engage comp with no tower killing ability and an ADC who sucks at close range bursting really.
On February 15 2016 07:53 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Also, what a disgusting game by WildTurtle, even if we ignore maw/steraks, Lux shields, fotm, Nidalee heals and Braum, etc, etc.
I'm curious why you think maw/steraks is bad in that specific scenario.
I dont think he's saying they're bad items, but they are super defensive choices.
On February 15 2016 07:53 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Also, what a disgusting game by WildTurtle, even if we ignore maw/steraks, Lux shields, fotm, Nidalee heals and Braum, etc, etc.
I'm curious why you think maw/steraks is bad in that specific scenario.
I dont think he's saying they're bad items, but they are super defensive choices.
The maw + steraks combo is actually genius and allows Turtle to go head first into 1v4 to start off a teamfight and still live at the end. Yeah he was super ahead but most players would rather build 2 more damage items i'd assume
On February 15 2016 08:02 Lonyo wrote: He might work well in a poke comp, but with that comp he was useless. You have close range engage AOE damage top/support, kind of jungle. You have short range with some AOE mid who's immobile. Viktor was the waveclear which hurts you in fights.
Jhin is better to support with a long range poke comp, probably, which they didn't have. They also had no secondary ADC/marksman to do basic shit like take down towers, and Malphite isn't suited for that either.
Basically there were things missing that it seems like Jhin needs, like a tower killer and some poke damage for him to add to. They had a close range engage comp with no tower killing ability and an ADC who sucks at close range bursting really.
The thing is traditionally you still want a source of primary consistent damage in a poke comp to deal as either cleanup for tower pushing. If Jhin is now in your ADC position while needing a poke comp that means you now need both consistent damage and poke champs in your other roles. So say you have something like Varus mid with Jhin bot. That just seems awful, what does Jhin offer in that situation that another ADC couldn't do better?
I just don't see him as a viable bot laner in his current state. Maybe if his numbers are completely broken then they can force him but his kit just seems bad for it.
On February 15 2016 08:08 MooMooMugi wrote: The maw + steraks combo is actually genius and allows Turtle to go head first into 1v4 to start off a teamfight and still live at the end. Yeah he was super ahead but most players would rather build 2 more damage items i'd assume
I completely agree, I just misunderstood the implication.
On February 15 2016 08:02 Lonyo wrote: He might work well in a poke comp, but with that comp he was useless. You have close range engage AOE damage top/support, kind of jungle. You have short range with some AOE mid who's immobile. Viktor was the waveclear which hurts you in fights.
Jhin is better to support with a long range poke comp, probably, which they didn't have. They also had no secondary ADC/marksman to do basic shit like take down towers, and Malphite isn't suited for that either.
Basically there were things missing that it seems like Jhin needs, like a tower killer and some poke damage for him to add to. They had a close range engage comp with no tower killing ability and an ADC who sucks at close range bursting really.
The thing is traditionally you still want a source of primary consistent damage in a poke comp to deal as either cleanup for tower pushing. If Jhin is now in your ADC position while needing a poke comp that means you now need both consistent damage and poke champs in your other roles. So say you have something like Varus mid with Jhin bot. That just seems awful, what does Jhin offer in that situation that another ADC couldn't do better?
I just don't see him as a viable bot laner in his current state. Maybe if his numbers are completely broken then they can force him but his kit just seems bad for it.
I agree, he's bad because he doesn't have a role that others can't do far better. I was trying to say what I think he seems to need to support him, not that he would be the best choice in such a comp. He needs all those things and there are still better choices. He just isn't worth picking.
crumbzz out here getting caught and dying every teamfight every game but lcs teams apparently can't find spots for players like shrimp who have to go back to korea because...?
On February 15 2016 08:47 suicideyear wrote: crumbzz out here getting caught and dying every teamfight every game but lcs teams apparently can't find spots for players like shrimp who have to go back to korea because...?
On February 15 2016 08:47 suicideyear wrote: crumbzz out here getting caught and dying every teamfight every game but lcs teams apparently can't find spots for players like shrimp who have to go back to korea because...?
especially renegades lmao
shrimp is on apex as a sub for eve.
Does Shrimp have NA residency? I doubt it.
Both NRG and Renegades need a better NA jungler. I can only think of Contractz who probably wont leave Ember.
On February 15 2016 08:47 suicideyear wrote: crumbzz out here getting caught and dying every teamfight every game but lcs teams apparently can't find spots for players like shrimp who have to go back to korea because...?
especially renegades lmao
shrimp is on apex as a sub for eve.
Does Shrimp have NA residency? I doubt it.
Both NRG and Renegades need a better NA jungler. I can only think of Contractz who probably wont leave Ember.
The thing is traditionally you still want a source of primary consistent damage in a poke comp to deal as either cleanup for tower pushing. If Jhin is now in your ADC position while needing a poke comp that means you now need both consistent damage and poke champs in your other roles. So say you have something like Varus mid with Jhin bot. That just seems awful, what does Jhin offer in that situation that another ADC couldn't do better?
What happens if you have Corki mid for consistent damage?
Hmmm interesting. Piglet pretty much saying in this interview that there's still some kinds of attitude problems within the team, but they're working on it?
On February 15 2016 07:51 Radoq wrote: Jhin still confirmed garbage lol.
he got some clutch ults off but ultimately kalista just did way more DPS than him and there's no way for jhin to ever match that dmg output because of reload function
but unlike the other reload hero graves, jhin doesn't' have that kind of burst to do ironman numbers
He's got traps and 3k range poke, he's better not outdamage the 400 range dude.
His 3k range poke is on a 2 minute cooldown. He just seems terrible in the ADC role for the team. So many times in these fights he was just running around not actually attacking anyone. Maybe it was just Sneaky playing poorly but dam Jhin looked horrible in that game.
On February 15 2016 08:47 suicideyear wrote: crumbzz out here getting caught and dying every teamfight every game but lcs teams apparently can't find spots for players like shrimp who have to go back to korea because...?
especially renegades lmao
shrimp is on apex as a sub for eve.
Does Shrimp have NA residency? I doubt it.
Both NRG and Renegades need a better NA jungler. I can only think of Contractz who probably wont leave Ember.
replace alex ich with NA midlaner cause he's deadweight and pick shrimp up or something
On February 15 2016 08:55 Apex wrote: Hmmm interesting. Piglet pretty much saying in this interview that there's still some kinds of attitude problems within the team, but they're working on it?
After he said that about dardoch, there was laughing in the background, and piglet smirked. Pretty sure it was piglet joking around in this instance.
On February 15 2016 09:00 ramon wrote: what happened to move, did he go back to korea?
i believe so. odd man out of the grv-to-EF transition, i ready somewhere he was talking to lcs teams but wasn't sure if he was still contracted to gravity so it fell through
On February 15 2016 08:47 suicideyear wrote: crumbzz out here getting caught and dying every teamfight every game but lcs teams apparently can't find spots for players like shrimp who have to go back to korea because...?
especially renegades lmao
shrimp is on apex as a sub for eve.
Does Shrimp have NA residency? I doubt it.
Both NRG and Renegades need a better NA jungler. I can only think of Contractz who probably wont leave Ember.
replace alex ich with NA midlaner cause he's deadweight and pick shrimp up or something
On February 15 2016 08:47 suicideyear wrote: crumbzz out here getting caught and dying every teamfight every game but lcs teams apparently can't find spots for players like shrimp who have to go back to korea because...?
especially renegades lmao
shrimp is on apex as a sub for eve.
Does Shrimp have NA residency? I doubt it.
Both NRG and Renegades need a better NA jungler. I can only think of Contractz who probably wont leave Ember.
replace alex ich with NA midlaner cause he's deadweight and pick shrimp up or something
Ok which NA midlaner
when the situation calls for mediocrity there is only 1 NA mid to call...
On February 15 2016 08:47 suicideyear wrote: crumbzz out here getting caught and dying every teamfight every game but lcs teams apparently can't find spots for players like shrimp who have to go back to korea because...?
especially renegades lmao
shrimp is on apex as a sub for eve.
Does Shrimp have NA residency? I doubt it.
Both NRG and Renegades need a better NA jungler. I can only think of Contractz who probably wont leave Ember.
replace alex ich with NA midlaner cause he's deadweight and pick shrimp up or something
Ok which NA midlaner
honestly like goldenglue isn't much worse than alexich and he doesnt take an import slot. I'd take basically any NA mid in challenger over alex at this point tbh.
On February 15 2016 08:47 suicideyear wrote: crumbzz out here getting caught and dying every teamfight every game but lcs teams apparently can't find spots for players like shrimp who have to go back to korea because...?
especially renegades lmao
shrimp is on apex as a sub for eve.
Does Shrimp have NA residency? I doubt it.
Both NRG and Renegades need a better NA jungler. I can only think of Contractz who probably wont leave Ember.
replace alex ich with NA midlaner cause he's deadweight and pick shrimp up or something
Ok which NA midlaner
when the situation calls for mediocrity there is only 1 NA mid to call...
shine the batsignal for the mandatory cloud
Honestly I think ManCloud+Shrimp or Move is much better than Alex+Crumbz, that may be the right call rofl Plus Zed is about to be meta, it's Manclouds time!
Ren also had this more than a business we are a family thing goin on, so they cant really deport Alex and his family back to russia without massive backslash.
On February 15 2016 07:51 Radoq wrote: Jhin still confirmed garbage lol.
he got some clutch ults off but ultimately kalista just did way more DPS than him and there's no way for jhin to ever match that dmg output because of reload function
but unlike the other reload hero graves, jhin doesn't' have that kind of burst to do ironman numbers
He's got traps and 3k range poke, he's better not outdamage the 400 range dude.
His 3k range poke is on a 2 minute cooldown. He just seems terrible in the ADC role for the team. So many times in these fights he was just running around not actually attacking anyone. Maybe it was just Sneaky playing poorly but dam Jhin looked horrible in that game.
His W has 2500 range, I was refering this.
His w isn't really a poke, the damage is so low, it's range really only serves to set up off teammates.
On February 15 2016 08:47 suicideyear wrote: crumbzz out here getting caught and dying every teamfight every game but lcs teams apparently can't find spots for players like shrimp who have to go back to korea because...?
especially renegades lmao
shrimp is on apex as a sub for eve.
Does Shrimp have NA residency? I doubt it.
Both NRG and Renegades need a better NA jungler. I can only think of Contractz who probably wont leave Ember.
replace alex ich with NA midlaner cause he's deadweight and pick shrimp up or something
Okay, I know everyone is fed up with Moon and Crumbz, but are we really gonna ignore Shrimp's 8-death Lee Sin game VS Dig? He didn't exactly look better.
On February 15 2016 08:47 suicideyear wrote: crumbzz out here getting caught and dying every teamfight every game but lcs teams apparently can't find spots for players like shrimp who have to go back to korea because...?
especially renegades lmao
shrimp is on apex as a sub for eve.
Does Shrimp have NA residency? I doubt it.
Both NRG and Renegades need a better NA jungler. I can only think of Contractz who probably wont leave Ember.
replace alex ich with NA midlaner cause he's deadweight and pick shrimp up or something
Okay, I know everyone is fed up with Moon and Crumbz, but are we really gonna ignore Shrimp's 8-death Lee Sin game VS Dig? He didn't exactly look better.
that's one game on a team he had no practice on, he's looked better in the other professional games he's played. And while that's vs worse competition, he looked a lot better that split than Crumbz did.
Odds on Meteos to another team after this split? He's arguably an upgrade in pretty much every team except IMT and C9, and some teams like REN and NRG woefully need a new jungler.
It hinges on how the competitive jungling meta changes? As last I checked, Meteos wants two things: He wants to play jungle his way, and he wants a team environment that's... less than 100% competitive. The former tends to be cited more often.
Guess Dignitas failed the test of competency today.
On February 15 2016 09:00 ramon wrote: what happened to move, did he go back to korea?
Yeah, apparently he was confused about when he was going to be a free agent or something, and by the time he announced that he was, most rosters were already filled up and he went back to Korea. Also, not sure why people keep saying that Renegades should get Goldenglue. Why would he leave a team where he's making over $90k a year to join a team that's probably worse and where he would make less money?
Also, Shrimp was apparently extremely nervous in his one LCS game, so I don't think you can really judge too much from that, especially considering they likely had little to no practice together.
No. He played it against EDG, whereafter EDG banned it the next game. Why did other teams even ban it vs Fnatic? Didn't they listen to Monte?
And it's weird, but Fnatic - during worlds - was actually the team most willing to take GP and play it into Morde. Seems weird. Shouldn't Deilor know that Huni cannot play it? Or shouldn't Huni himself know he cannot play it?
also just becasue huni has good mecahnics doent mean he can play every champ godlike. look at byfargiven. cant play kalista even super gifted mechanically.
Sneaky played bad Jhin during one soloqgame I watched. So I am going to assume he will continue to be bad at it even if it becomes meta and he has had 2 months to practice on it.
My default assumption is that mechanically gifted players cannot actually learn to play mechanically difficult champions if they weren't good on it after one week.
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TLDR; You should understand the implications of a default assumption. A default assumption doesn't mean something is 100%, but its the most likely scenario.
i cant even remember when monte said that during worlds
Monte on SI prior to worlds (like 1-2 weeks) was so happy to tell the viewers about Huni not being able to play the champion. He stated it one episode. Then next episode, he wanted to bring it up again: "Hey Thorin let me tell you who can and cannot play GP. Soaz can, Huni cannot". (or something like that).
I really have no idea what you're talking about.
Really? Which part didn't you understand?
That default assumption =/ 100% probability (?) The Sneaky anology intended to demonstrate that one game on a new champ =/ good indication of the skill level of how good the player is 2-3 months in the future? That Monte just prior to worlds was very happy to tell the audience that Huni could not play GP? (based on useless data)
Neither seem hard for me to understand. But maybe my communication was off. Please enlighten me.
On February 14 2016 23:30 Miefer wrote: lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/2015_Season_World_Championship/Picks_and_Bans/Bracket_Stage
Pls get your facts straight before talking nonsense. Fnc didnt pick GP at all. It was a 3 0 vs edg with GP banned every game. Even in group stage GP banned 100%. And 2 weeks before worlds to Februar 2016 u cant change your mind? Huni was Bad at gp i agree withm onte before worlds from what er saw. He could have improved now 4 months later. But to be honest vs dig he wasnt outstanding either. . But whatever picking a Quote from somebody 4-5 months ago to prove he is wrong now seems you are just nitpicking because you are biased vs monte..
It was picked in G2 vs EDG though. The game was however remade. In the remade game, EDG had to readjust their P/B and ban Morde. If Fnatic/Huni was not comfortable playing GP, they would probably ban Morde and GP on red side as most teams did. However, EDG on the other hand wasn't willing to play GP into Morde.
So just by looking at the P/B-strategies of the team, it shows alot about the players champion pool.
crumbzz isnt even good in solo q and has a mediocre/terrible attitude. Why he's still in pro play is beyond me. I guess just like irl having connections/friends helps and Dignitas' owner "hands off" style means his job isnt really in jeopardy.
On February 15 2016 23:59 VayneAuthority wrote: crumbzz isnt even good in solo q and has a mediocre/terrible attitude. Why he's still in pro play is beyond me. I guess just like irl having connections/friends helps and Dignitas' owner "hands off" style means his job isnt really in jeopardy.
To me, the biggest indication that Crumbzz was done as a jungler came from when he got the boot from dignitas in the 2015 Spring Split. He had been playing abysmally, got replaced by CloudNguyen, he lambasted his team and his teammates saying that the problem was that they weren't getting enough vision or following his calls and that the team was going to crash and burn without him, and next week dig played SO much better without him it was like a different team, and they started picking up wins again.
I think Crumbzz moved into coaching then, which is fine, but I don't know why Renegades thought he'd be any good as a player again after that. Why not take a chance on a challenger jungler over someone who isn't any good in soloqueue, is nowhere near LCS-caliber on stage, and is well past his prime. It's like if TIP now decided that what's missing in their roster is to buy Chauster from CLG and start him in the jungle again.
Crumbzz isn't exactly just a player recruited by Renegades. So, from this interview with Chris Badawi back in last March:
Q. So how did you get in touch with Crumbzz and Alex?
So initially, I was in the running to purchase Curse Academy from Steve Arhancet. I got outbid but I formed a relationship with Steve and during that process he invited me to work with Liquid for a couple of weeks and see what it is that I wanted to get out of the scene. Steve opened a lot of doors for me and really welcomed me into the scene. I made a lot of great connections and met a lot of good people. After my experience with Liquid, I decided to create my own team and we parted on good terms. Steve was really wonderful throughout the whole process.
I saw Crumbzz left Dignitas, had drinks with him and talked about what we wanted out of the future. We wanted to create something that was really player centric - less of a company and more a family, something like the early Cloud 9 - a bunch of guys doing something that they loved. The scene is so competitive and there is so much money involved that there is a lot of pressure on these guys and a lot of the times their love of the game diminishes. Overall I think it is possible for players to play this game for a living and have fun doing it.
I decided I wanted to create an atmosphere and a team where they felt like they were part of an organization - something they were proud of and were personally invested in the outcome of how the organization does and Crumbzz really liked the philosophy. So he and I together started talking about what kind of team we wanted and what kind of roster we wanted. Crumbzz suggested Alex and I talked with Alex to see if he was contracted to any team. He said he wasn’t and so we ended up getting Alex. Crumbzz and Alex are two of the nicest people I’ve ever met in my life. Any team with these two kind, professional and distinguished personalities at its core will be an absolute pleasure for all involved - not to mention Alex is a legend and Crumbzz has been in the scene from the start.
So with this philosophy in mind, I started to search for other players and found Yuno. All three of us agreed that she was a diamond in the rough. We’re now three strong and still looking to solidify the rest of the roster. We have plenty of time until the Challenger Series qualifiers.
So the vibe presented to the public is that Crumbzz is there less because of his skills as a player and more because of a philosophical match.
It does get me wondering where Crumbzz/Alex fall in the power structure in Renegades, though. The manager in place at the time, Mason Long, is listed on esportspedia to have left in April*. And I've no idea how much authority the current manager, Leonyx, has from Badawi.
*aside, if you look at Mason Long's esports resume, it says differently. His resume (which can be found here) lists his tenure as manager of Misfits (Renegades' previous name) from January 3 to August 12 of 2015. There is some overlap with what he listed as his time as coach of CLG.Black, which was for October 1, 2014 to February 7, 2015. That one month overlap of jobs gets an eyebrow raise from me, but I can't dig up more on that to go further. Misfits wasn't even publicly announced until March.
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