EPTwouldnt be surprised if riot purposely manipulated it so that the weekend had the best games
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
wouldnt be surprised if riot purposely manipulated it so that the weekend had the best games | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 02 2015 05:34 nafta wrote: Problem is according to riot there can only be one stream and every single game has to be streamed on it so that can't happen. Why? 2 groups of 8, Bo1s is 56 games 4 groups of 4, Bo2s is 48 games The increase in # of games should not totally ruin scheduling. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 02 2015 05:34 nafta wrote: Problem is according to riot there can only be one stream and every single game has to be streamed on it so that can't happen. Yea pretty much the issue that happens. Got to have a shit format instead of compromising the broadcast by a bit for group stages. So dumb. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On October 02 2015 05:37 TheYango wrote: Why? 2 groups of 8, Bo1s is 56 games 4 groups of 4, Bo2s is 48 games The increase in # of games should not totally ruin scheduling. Because he said it seeds into a double elim bracket? I like that a lot more obviously but it will never happen. | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
On October 02 2015 05:37 TheYango wrote: Why? 2 groups of 8, Bo1s is 56 games 4 groups of 4, Bo2s is 48 games The increase in # of games should not totally ruin scheduling. Then you've got to watch the shitters get stomped 7 times instead of 6... | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Small group size + single elim bracket makes the tournament outcome highly dependent on seeding. Seeding-dependence is usually not an issue if your seeding paradigm is fair enough, but the lack of international competition coupled with regional strength disparity makes it intrinsically impossible for Riot to have enough information about inter-region strength to seed fairly, while retaining a format where seeding hugely impacts the outcome. You can address either of these issues separately to reduce the seeding-dependence of the tournament OR both at once. But if hitting both issues is a time constraint issue, that doesn't preclude you from fixing one of them. On October 02 2015 05:41 cuppatea wrote: Then you've got to watch the shitters get stomped 7 times instead of 6... Assuming there's only 1 shit team in the entire tournament, yes. But if we assume there are multiple, you see them get stomped less because shitter teams playing each other makes closer games, while segregating them into separate groups prevents them from playing each other. If you have 1 shit team in the tournament, they get stomped 7 games rather than 6. But if you have two shit teams in one group, they each get stomped 6 games and then play a close set against each other. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
riot gotta market their game guys | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 02 2015 05:46 oneofthem wrote: the group stages are honestly whatever. they never matter. it's an acceptable bargain to pay for some good series later on. I don't see how this produces better games than a fairer format. The good teams still play each other in bracket either way, it's just whether you also get to see them play each other in groups. Segregating them from one another in small groups doesn't help you accomplish anything. The only thing Riot really gains in terms of marketing their game is that they minimize the possibility of a region-dominant bracket. In both seasons 3 and 4, the bracket arrangement minimized the likelihood of a Korea vs. Korea final. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On October 02 2015 05:48 TheYango wrote: I don't see how this produces better games than a fairer format. The good teams still play each other in bracket either way, it's just whether you also get to see them play each other in groups. Segregating them from one another in small groups doesn't help you accomplish anything. The only thing Riot really gains in terms of marketing their game is that they minimize the possibility of a region-dominant bracket. In both seasons 3 and 4, the bracket arrangement minimized the likelihood of a Korea vs. Korea final. it does ensure that all the good teams do advance though, instead of not having regional seeding and you could potentially get groups of death with multiple KR/CN teams and decent NA/EU teams. The group stages are boring but they do ensure that the best teams have great chances of moving through. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On October 02 2015 05:26 stuchiu wrote: now that I look at it, all of them should be stomps I think KT and LGD will manage to put up a fight vs. TSM and Origen, myself. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 02 2015 06:46 Itsmedudeman wrote: It's kind of a toss up of who's more overrated between KOO, KT, and iG right now. Was iG ever overrated by anyone who's actually watched them play any event other than Regionals? | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
I would prefer groups to be double elimination brackets over round robin though. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On October 02 2015 06:47 TheYango wrote: Was iG ever overrated by anyone who's actually watched them play any event other than Regionals? Well honestly before regionals the top meta was very different you can't deny the new patch boosts them a lot. This was just a bo1 from a team that is notorious for being inconsistent( by this I mean they are your typical good mechanical team but very limited brain usage). It really isn't the end of the world lol. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 02 2015 06:47 TheYango wrote: Was iG ever overrated by anyone who's actually watched them play any event other than Regionals? I mean, people just look at rookie/kakao and keep spouting mid-jungle synergy like it's 2013. It really has nothing to do with how bad kid/kitties are though. The team clearly lacks leadership and someone who can really control the mid-late game. | ||
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