EPTEDG doesn't have any good reason not to sandbag if they think they're top 3 material. Even if they don't, they may as well operate under the assumption they are given how volatile 1st place in groups is looking. Only known factor for them is that they can deny SKT information and put more of their time, effort and attention span elsewhere.
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
EDG doesn't have any good reason not to sandbag if they think they're top 3 material. Even if they don't, they may as well operate under the assumption they are given how volatile 1st place in groups is looking. Only known factor for them is that they can deny SKT information and put more of their time, effort and attention span elsewhere. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On October 06 2015 11:13 Sufficiency wrote: Are we sure of this? I really don't think KT and KOO are pushovers. To EDG taking groups seriously, I am certain that they aren't. I am not sure about whether Koro1 is just being saved or used as an excuse though. But out of Group C, I will say EDG/SKT are definitely not going to show anything. On October 06 2015 11:18 Itsmedudeman wrote: You don't put your cart in front of the horse. That's how Samsung Ozone happens. Not sure how anyone could think sandbagging is a smart decision at this point considering what's been happening in other groups. You think H2K couldn't pull an upset over EDG when fucking cloud 9 is 3-0 in a group with FNC, iG, and AHQ and LGD is 0-3? If you think you can pull punches and you hold all your strats for finals that's being really optimistic. Have you seen EDG vs H2K earlier? Keep in mind, SKT vs EDG happened AFTER EDG already easily 2-0'd the others. If EDG came out of the set with a shaky game against H2k, I would be more inclined to believe otherwise. Also like I said, look at the player reactions on twitter, etc after the SKT loss. If you were 100% tryharding and you got absolutely wrecked, would you be as "yolow/e" as they were? | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 06 2015 11:23 KissBlade wrote: To EDG taking groups seriously, I am certain that they aren't. I am not sure about whether Koro1 is just being saved or used as an excuse though. But out of Group C, I will say EDG/SKT are definitely not going to show anything. Have you seen EDG vs H2K earlier? Keep in mind, SKT vs EDG happened AFTER EDG already easily 2-0'd the others. If EDG came out of the set with a shaky game against H2k, I would be more inclined to believe otherwise. Also like I said, look at the player reactions on twitter, etc after the SKT loss. If you were 100% tryharding and you got absolutely wrecked, would you be as "yolow/e" as they were? What about EDG vs H2K? The onesidedness of a single game means nothing. Snowballs happen. SKT vs. H2K wasn't one sided. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On October 06 2015 11:20 Caiada wrote: If LGD wasn't 0-3, I'd call that vTSM draft blatant sandbagging. Alas, they're 0-3... I thought the LGD draft was fine. It was clearly meant to be a draft to counter Mord/Juggernaut comps. Rylais rush Brand and Lulu give Kalista heaps of time to jump around and kill everything against a comp with low mobility/range. It didn't work because LGD played like crap around objectives, but even in that last fight LGD would have won if Imp respected Mord's melee damage and not walked into him when he popped out of Zhonyas. On October 06 2015 11:18 Itsmedudeman wrote: You don't put your cart in front of the horse. That's how Samsung Ozone happens. Not sure how anyone could think sandbagging is a smart decision at this point considering what's been happening in other groups. You think H2K couldn't pull an upset over EDG when fucking cloud 9 is 3-0 in a group with FNC, iG, and AHQ and LGD is 0-3? If you think you can pull punches and you hold all your strats for finals that's being really optimistic. 100% this. Optimistic is a nice way of putting it, I'd call it greedy. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On October 06 2015 11:32 Amarok wrote: I thought the LGD draft was fine. It was clearly meant to be a draft to counter Mord/Juggernaut comps. Rylais rush Brand and Lulu give Kalista heaps of time to jump around and kill everything against a comp with low mobility/range. It didn't work because LGD played like crap around objectives, but even in that last fight LGD would have won if Imp respected Mord's melee damage and not walked into him when he popped out of Zhonyas. If LGD's draft was fine, Pyl wouldn't have facepalmed the moment he locked in Diana ... | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On October 06 2015 11:35 KissBlade wrote: If LGD's draft was fine, Pyl wouldn't have facepalmed the moment he locked in Diana ... Exactly this. Diana was by far the wrong mid lane pick in that comp. Why pick a bunch of kite champs then a dive champ? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Are EDG and SKT potentially hiding secret OP picks? Yes, sure. Are EDG and SKT intentionally playing poorly to get second in group instead of first? Highly unlikely. Going first means you probably will play against teams like CLG; going second means you will play against teams like KOO. It's not a hard calculation. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On October 06 2015 11:39 JazzVortical wrote: Exactly this. Diana was by far the wrong mid lane pick in that comp. Why pick a bunch of kite champs then a dive champ? It's not all that bad. Diana should do well in lane vs TF and can function as a second split pusher with kill pressure on a TF. Probably not the ideal pick for a teamfight (Victor/Azir/Ori would all be better) but it's not 100% without merit. It's hardly sandbagging level of bad. Whether the team was onboard with it is another matter. | ||
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LimpingGoat
898 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On October 06 2015 11:41 Sufficiency wrote: I think you guys are getting way too conspiracy theorists with EDG. Are EDG and SKT potentially hiding secret OP picks? Yes, sure. Are EDG and SKT intentionally playing poorly to get second in group instead of first? Highly unlikely. Going first means you probably will play against teams like CLG; going second means you will play against teams like KOO. It's not a hard calculation. No one is saying they were intentionally playing poorly. Not revealing all your cards is hardly the same as playing poorly. Obviously both teams played to win. However, I highly doubt both were bringing their A game for GroupC. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 06 2015 11:18 Itsmedudeman wrote: You don't put your cart in front of the horse. That's how Samsung Ozone happens. Not sure how anyone could think sandbagging is a smart decision at this point considering what's been happening in other groups. You think H2K couldn't pull an upset over EDG when fucking cloud 9 is 3-0 in a group with FNC, iG, and AHQ and LGD is 0-3? If you think you can pull punches and you hold all your strats for finals that's being really optimistic. Ofc they're not holding it for finals. But the fact that all the other groups are so volatile means that placing first in your group is barely an advantage. So at the very least, you'd save them for bracket stage. Hell, the fact that groups are so close SUPPORTS the idea of sandbagging, rather than being an argument against it. The less advantageous being 1st in your group is, the more appealing saving strats is. If being 1st in your group holds no advantage over being second, then why would you want to reveal anything important just to place 1st in your group? On October 06 2015 11:41 Sufficiency wrote: Going first means you probably will play against teams like CLG; going second means you will play against teams like KOO. It's not a hard calculation. I mean, your intrinsic assumption here is that the 1st seed of each group is categorically better than the 2nd, which is not convincingly true of any of the other 3 groups thus far. I'd argue that all groups have been close enough that showing anything important for the sake of getting 1st seed is a questionable decision. Hell, with your KOO/CLG example, it's also still within the realm of possibility that KOO drops another game and places 2nd. So then all your work to avoid KOO was for nothing because they placed 2nd in your group and you play them as 1st seed anyway. All the group placements so far are just too volatile that you can't count on placing 1st to be a meaningful advantage over placing 2nd. | ||
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LimpingGoat
898 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 06 2015 12:38 LimpingGoat wrote: Why do people take EDG as serious contenders? What have they even done with AmazingJ on their roster? Didn't they just get smack-daddied in summer playoffs? MSI and the fact that they haven't choked against perceived lesser teams (H2K/BKT). Anyone can get destroyed SKT and they'll get another shot at them. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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