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On October 06 2015 02:22 Maluk wrote:
Isn't EDG's coach supposed to be some kind of genius, the ultimate mastermind of LoL ?
If so then why are people doubting the decision to bench Koro, I'm sure he had his say in it.
He started asking why the Korean players get paid so much more than him even though he's best top laner in LPL and one of the best in the world. GG koro.
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On October 06 2015 02:22 Maluk wrote:
Isn't EDG's coach supposed to be some kind of genius, the ultimate mastermind of LoL ?
If so then why are people doubting the decision to bench Koro, I'm sure he had his say in it.
Well Aaron did say after the SKT game, "We still have Koro1". So make that of it what you will.
That being said, Koro1 looked a little lackluster in the series against LGD/iG ...
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On October 06 2015 02:53 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 02:22 Maluk wrote:
Isn't EDG's coach supposed to be some kind of genius, the ultimate mastermind of LoL ?
If so then why are people doubting the decision to bench Koro, I'm sure he had his say in it. Well Aaron did say after the SKT game, "We still have Koro1". So make that of it what you will.
Link? Even if he didn't adapt to new patch I would prefer Gnar every game then AmazingJ.
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On October 06 2015 02:10 SkrollK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 01:58 orzeu wrote:
EDG blind picked both solo laners vs SK T and had 0 wave clear. They're probably only team that is sandbagging at this tournament. Also fuck AmazingJ, bring Koro1 back. To me, that's crystal clear : EDG knows they'll win EZPZ against H2K and BKT. They don't need to win against SKT, not even to try. So they'll just go the easy way, take that 2nd spot and not show anything about their current strong tactics and/or picks. Then, maybe in quarter, they'll actually reveal something. As for now, the objective is just to go out of the group. They can do that really easily while keeping their secret stuff hidden. So, they just do that. EDIT : I actually am quite with you on the bring back Koro 
This sounds awfully EDG-apologetic. Going second in the group means they have to play a first place from a different group, which could potentially be KOO or KT.
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perhaps Koro1 is EDG's secret weapon and Aaron hiding him until quarter/semis depends on who they play against.
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On October 06 2015 05:14 Mensol wrote:
perhaps Koro1 is EDG's secret weapon and Aaron hiding him until quarter/semis depends on who they play against.
It's possible, but sandbagging to play the first place team in a different group sounds like a terrible, if not delusional, idea.
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I think they can beat all first places without Koro1 maybe expect OG.
Of course group stage not done yet but i assume that first places going to be KOO, C9 and OG.
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Of course TBQ was "sick". I wouldn't expect anything less from a slumping Chinese team.
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It's more likely that EDG are doing their best to secure first place in their group and just aren't good enough to touch SKT. It's more likely that Koro1 is either performing worse than AmazingJ in scrims/practice or there are serious internal issues with him. Denying Occam's Razor is the stuff of wishes and dreams.
C9 are in a really sweet spot here. It's funny to see people saying they only have 1 comp and it will get banned away from them. This is a patch with a ton of huge power picks. Morde & GP are pretty standard red side bans and on top of that teams need to deny or draft something to deal with Trist, Azir, Veigar & Darius. This gives C9 an insane amount of flexibility and severely limits their opponents. It's not like they're simply outdrafting teams too. They're playing extremely well around their opponents win conditions. For example warding/playing deep vs Rengar and spreading out to deny Fnatics wombo combo. Throw in #haishotcalling, 2 genuinely strong threats in Incarnation/Sneaky and a tournament where the fancied teams are imploding and/or look mortal and you have a team capable of making a very deep run.
They're in a seriously strong position and anyone denying that is living in a world where Meteos is still shotcalling and Incarnation is still adapting to the pro game. They're not that team anymore and they're only getting stronger.
Who knows, maybe they go 0-3 on Sunday but this week didn't look like a fluke by any stretch.
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We're going to see edg get serious and get an epic match, or this was all edg could do and skt will own them. Either way I'm very excited. Seeing the quality of eastern teams' p/b, I could totally see edg's draft being bad not on purpose.
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France12880 Posts
Yeah I think this whole "China always sandbagging" is becoming more and more a crual joke...
Imp so angry he was fountain BMing/suiciding in soloQ!
If EDG has a good draft and try hard it can be pretty epic yeah, their teamfight looks sharp af.
And yes C9 are in a sweet spot because even if they would be slightly non favored vs all of the other teams, they would still qualify 4 times out of 5 or something like that...
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On October 06 2015 03:00 orzeu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 02:53 KissBlade wrote:On October 06 2015 02:22 Maluk wrote:
Isn't EDG's coach supposed to be some kind of genius, the ultimate mastermind of LoL ?
If so then why are people doubting the decision to bench Koro, I'm sure he had his say in it. Well Aaron did say after the SKT game, "We still have Koro1". So make that of it what you will. Link? Even if he didn't adapt to new patch I would prefer Gnar every game then AmazingJ.
On twitter somewhere along with one of the many Chinese translations. As I said though, Koro1 didn't play amazing against LGD/iG during the playoffs so who knows.
There is no question that LGD played very badly. TBQ being sick (which could be a lie but oG.Amazing was one of the people who actually said it was true) doesn't explain GodV/Acorn's awful tilt. Acorn in particular was just doing random TP's that made absolutely no sense.
iG is just random. I really have no idea whether they're good or bad even while watching regular LPL.
EDG is the one team I am 100% sure is not entirely tryharding during groups though. Despite their whole "oh these teams are so tough," they're always laughing and grinning even after the SKT loss. On top of that, they did the exact same thing during MSI with the rando picks and honestly that should've been a 3-1 finals in their favor IMO. Mind you, I don't even like EDG but I would be quite surprised if they don't make a big run right after groups.
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On October 06 2015 08:43 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 03:00 orzeu wrote:On October 06 2015 02:53 KissBlade wrote:On October 06 2015 02:22 Maluk wrote:
Isn't EDG's coach supposed to be some kind of genius, the ultimate mastermind of LoL ?
If so then why are people doubting the decision to bench Koro, I'm sure he had his say in it. Well Aaron did say after the SKT game, "We still have Koro1". So make that of it what you will. Link? Even if he didn't adapt to new patch I would prefer Gnar every game then AmazingJ. On twitter somewhere along with one of the many Chinese translations. As I said though, Koro1 didn't play amazing against LGD/iG during the playoffs so who knows. There is no question that LGD played very badly. TBQ being sick (which could be a lie but oG.Amazing was one of the people who actually said it was true) doesn't explain GodV/Acorn's awful tilt. Acorn in particular was just doing random TP's that made absolutely no sense. iG is just random. I really have no idea whether they're good or bad even while watching regular LPL. EDG is the one team I am 100% sure is not entirely tryharding during groups though. Despite their whole "oh these teams are so tough," they're always laughing and grinning even after the SKT loss. On top of that, they did the exact same thing during MSI with the rando picks and honestly that should've been a 3-1 finals in their favor IMO. Mind you, I don't even like EDG but I would be quite surprised if they don't make a big run right after groups.
Why would they sandbag then risk running into KOO/KT though? It's not exactly a toss up.
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United States47024 Posts
Because showing important strategies and losing anyway is worse than showing nothing and losing?
Like, even if they consider their chances vs. SKT to be like 50/50, I'm pretty sure there's a good argument for sandbagging being the better option. They'd rather take the guaranteed match against KOO/KT without showing anything over a 50% chance of having to still face them anyway, despite revealing something important in groups.
The only way it would really be "worth it" to tryhard and use important elements of your ban/pick in groups is if they believe doing so means they could assuredly beat SKT doing so. And I don't think anyone can feel THAT confident against SKT, no matter how good their prep is.
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Guys EDG is sandbagging with their inferior lane swapping and awful dragon strategic misplay
*edit* k i was kind of mean
but if you wanna claim EDG sandbag, you can probably say something similar to SKT, how much do you think they care about Renekton or Mid Ryze being revealed or whatever
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United States47024 Posts
On October 06 2015 10:28 scrubtastic wrote:
but if you wanna claim EDG sandbag, you can probably say something similar to SKT, how much do you think they care about Renekton or Mid Ryze being revealed or whatever
I'm pretty sure absolutely no one believes SKT is trying. That was never really up for debate.
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On October 06 2015 08:43 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 03:00 orzeu wrote:On October 06 2015 02:53 KissBlade wrote:On October 06 2015 02:22 Maluk wrote:
Isn't EDG's coach supposed to be some kind of genius, the ultimate mastermind of LoL ?
If so then why are people doubting the decision to bench Koro, I'm sure he had his say in it. Well Aaron did say after the SKT game, "We still have Koro1". So make that of it what you will. Link? Even if he didn't adapt to new patch I would prefer Gnar every game then AmazingJ. On twitter somewhere along with one of the many Chinese translations. As I said though, Koro1 didn't play amazing against LGD/iG during the playoffs so who knows. There is no question that LGD played very badly. TBQ being sick (which could be a lie but oG.Amazing was one of the people who actually said it was true) doesn't explain GodV/Acorn's awful tilt. Acorn in particular was just doing random TP's that made absolutely no sense. iG is just random. I really have no idea whether they're good or bad even while watching regular LPL. EDG is the one team I am 100% sure is not entirely tryharding during groups though. Despite their whole "oh these teams are so tough," they're always laughing and grinning even after the SKT loss. On top of that, they did the exact same thing during MSI with the rando picks and honestly that should've been a 3-1 finals in their favor IMO. Mind you, I don't even like EDG but I would be quite surprised if they don't make a big run right after groups.
I mean, I don't know about EDG. They could be hiding, or the things that were concerning in playoffs against LDG and iG might have only been temporarily solved in regionals. I don't know.
iG is pretty obvious: their botlane is getting absolutely dumpstered (in the Ashe game Kid was behind in CS and EXP despite having a lane freeze solo, how?) and Kakao looked shellshocked in game one, and had basically a teamcomp loss vs. C9. I think Rookie and ZZtai are playing at or near the expected level.
LGD...Acorn is a huge mystery, his laning and shotcalling have disappeared. GodV isn't a mystery, to me at least, he lost pretty definitively to Pawn and DoingB in playoffs and got carried by botlane, which is still doing fine, just not total dumpster levels of crushing. And no one really expected much from TBQ...
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On October 06 2015 09:56 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 08:43 KissBlade wrote:On October 06 2015 03:00 orzeu wrote:On October 06 2015 02:53 KissBlade wrote:On October 06 2015 02:22 Maluk wrote:
Isn't EDG's coach supposed to be some kind of genius, the ultimate mastermind of LoL ?
If so then why are people doubting the decision to bench Koro, I'm sure he had his say in it. Well Aaron did say after the SKT game, "We still have Koro1". So make that of it what you will. Link? Even if he didn't adapt to new patch I would prefer Gnar every game then AmazingJ. On twitter somewhere along with one of the many Chinese translations. As I said though, Koro1 didn't play amazing against LGD/iG during the playoffs so who knows. There is no question that LGD played very badly. TBQ being sick (which could be a lie but oG.Amazing was one of the people who actually said it was true) doesn't explain GodV/Acorn's awful tilt. Acorn in particular was just doing random TP's that made absolutely no sense. iG is just random. I really have no idea whether they're good or bad even while watching regular LPL. EDG is the one team I am 100% sure is not entirely tryharding during groups though. Despite their whole "oh these teams are so tough," they're always laughing and grinning even after the SKT loss. On top of that, they did the exact same thing during MSI with the rando picks and honestly that should've been a 3-1 finals in their favor IMO. Mind you, I don't even like EDG but I would be quite surprised if they don't make a big run right after groups. Why would they sandbag then risk running into KOO/KT though? It's not exactly a toss up.
?I don't think EDG has ANY worry for KT or Koo. Their only threat in this tournament would've been SKT and LGD. We see how LGD is right now so why give anything away to a team you're probably going to see in the Finals?
Fnatic was supposed to also be a potential strong contender but I also dunno wtf is going on with them either.
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On October 06 2015 11:11 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 09:56 Sufficiency wrote:On October 06 2015 08:43 KissBlade wrote:On October 06 2015 03:00 orzeu wrote:On October 06 2015 02:53 KissBlade wrote:On October 06 2015 02:22 Maluk wrote:
Isn't EDG's coach supposed to be some kind of genius, the ultimate mastermind of LoL ?
If so then why are people doubting the decision to bench Koro, I'm sure he had his say in it. Well Aaron did say after the SKT game, "We still have Koro1". So make that of it what you will. Link? Even if he didn't adapt to new patch I would prefer Gnar every game then AmazingJ. On twitter somewhere along with one of the many Chinese translations. As I said though, Koro1 didn't play amazing against LGD/iG during the playoffs so who knows. There is no question that LGD played very badly. TBQ being sick (which could be a lie but oG.Amazing was one of the people who actually said it was true) doesn't explain GodV/Acorn's awful tilt. Acorn in particular was just doing random TP's that made absolutely no sense. iG is just random. I really have no idea whether they're good or bad even while watching regular LPL. EDG is the one team I am 100% sure is not entirely tryharding during groups though. Despite their whole "oh these teams are so tough," they're always laughing and grinning even after the SKT loss. On top of that, they did the exact same thing during MSI with the rando picks and honestly that should've been a 3-1 finals in their favor IMO. Mind you, I don't even like EDG but I would be quite surprised if they don't make a big run right after groups. Why would they sandbag then risk running into KOO/KT though? It's not exactly a toss up. ?I don't think EDG has ANY worry for KT or Koo. Their only threat in this tournament would've been SKT and LGD. We see how LGD is right now so why give anything away to a team you're probably going to see in the Finals? Fnatic was supposed to also be a potential strong contender but I also dunno wtf is going on with them either.
Are we sure of this? I really don't think KT and KOO are pushovers.
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You don't put your cart in front of the horse. That's how Samsung Ozone happens. Not sure how anyone could think sandbagging is a smart decision at this point considering what's been happening in other groups. You think H2K couldn't pull an upset over EDG when fucking cloud 9 is 3-0 in a group with FNC, iG, and AHQ and LGD is 0-3? If you think you can pull punches and you hold all your strats for finals that's being really optimistic.
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