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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
October 04 2015 10:45 GMT
#4641
On October 04 2015 19:36 Inflicted wrote:
I think GODV will play a lot better vs TSM since Santorin has no presence

what do you mean he has no presence? he ganked bjerg's lane once yesterday :OOOO
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
MuddyJam
Profile Joined September 2014
535 Posts
October 04 2015 10:51 GMT
#4642
On October 04 2015 19:35 Kenpark wrote:
TSM vs LGD will be interesting. Big mismatches across all lanes. Bjergsen should dumpster Gold V, while the other lanes are heavily LGD favoured. I expect some good TSM early game, getting a slight lead followed by awful midgame decisions on both sides and in the end Imp will carry it home in a +40min game.

Am I the only one, who finds it mildly funny, how Thorin and Monte were shitting and laughing at the lolesports top 20 rankings and now 3 days in their ranking couldnt be off more. Remember Thorin had GodV as the third best player of the whole tournament. That guy got now schooled around by Peke and Nagne, failing skillshots and flashes left and right and looks like one of the weakest midlaners in the tournament.
The best player of any western team by far was supposed to be Huni according to Thorin. Huni now basicaly lost Fnatic their game alone, while Peke, Sneaky, DL, Inca and Febiven are all performing really really well.




TSM should pick a scaling comp like OG did. You need the safely of such a composition and it then calls for LGD to make good calls.


Thorin has a long history of having no real clue. GodV is just this year Namei who got hyped up no end then turns out is not very good. He also was hyping up Pray as one of the best adc's of all time until KOO got destroyed at IEM and in the LCK. As for the others, people seems to have had a viewpoint of here are two really good players, one if Korean and the other is from EU say. The Korean one will then be viewed as some cut above based some how. If you watch Sneaky's reaction to the group draw he rants about this a little bit. It all feeds into Thorins boom bust cycle though. Make a opinion, stick with it. If it turns out right, your brag about it. If its wrong you drop it, doesn't matter how often you mess up. People will watch his content because to then see the salty reaction.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
October 04 2015 10:54 GMT
#4643
On October 04 2015 19:45 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 19:36 Inflicted wrote:
I think GODV will play a lot better vs TSM since Santorin has no presence

what do you mean he has no presence? he ganked bjerg's lane once yesterday :OOOO

I thought that santorin being 12th in damage per minute in a 10 team competition was a funny stat.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
October 04 2015 10:54 GMT
#4644
I hope C9 vs Fnatic delivers today.
Also KOO vs CLG might be fun.
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
October 04 2015 10:57 GMT
#4645
On October 04 2015 19:54 Yorbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 19:45 Undead1993 wrote:
On October 04 2015 19:36 Inflicted wrote:
I think GODV will play a lot better vs TSM since Santorin has no presence

what do you mean he has no presence? he ganked bjerg's lane once yesterday :OOOO

I thought that santorin being 12th in damage per minute in a 10 team competition was a funny stat.

ye hahaha
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
October 04 2015 11:10 GMT
#4646
TaoBao Quan vs Santorin, the jungle matchup we've all been waiting for. Going to go and make an offering to my LoveLin shrine.
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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
October 04 2015 11:11 GMT
#4647
On October 04 2015 20:10 Haasts wrote:
TaoBao Quan vs Santorin, the jungle matchup we've all been waiting for. Going to go and make an offering to my LoveLin shrine.


We need a H2k vs TSM showmatch
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
October 04 2015 11:16 GMT
#4648
H2K is surely better than TSM. kaSing and Hjarnan has been very impressive even when they are losing.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
October 04 2015 11:27 GMT
#4649
dunno about hjarnan but kasing is good that's true
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
October 04 2015 11:33 GMT
#4650
Will Origen get Fingerboomed today? Or will Soaz xPeke all over KT?

Only one way to find out
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12875 Posts
October 04 2015 11:44 GMT
#4651
On October 04 2015 19:35 Kenpark wrote:
TSM vs LGD will be interesting. Big mismatches across all lanes. Bjergsen should dumpster Gold V, while the other lanes are heavily LGD favoured. I expect some good TSM early game, getting a slight lead followed by awful midgame decisions on both sides and in the end Imp will carry it home in a +40min game.

Am I the only one, who finds it mildly funny, how Thorin and Monte were shitting and laughing at the lolesports top 20 rankings and now 3 days in their ranking couldnt be off more. Remember Thorin had GodV as the third best player of the whole tournament. That guy got now schooled around by Peke and Nagne, failing skillshots and flashes left and right and looks like one of the weakest midlaners in the tournament.
The best player of any western team by far was supposed to be Huni according to Thorin. Huni now basicaly lost Fnatic their game alone, while Peke, Sneaky, DL, Inca and Febiven are all performing really really well.


Wasn't it obvious that Huni was the weakest link of fnatic, because he was so prone to tilting?
Like Huni can be super good but there is this little chance that he tilts hard, wants to go ham too much and bam, his team is in a bad spot.
I don't know about Monte but I heard Thorin has no clue about the game, so no wonders his predictions are off, he is like "Oh Huni does a lot of kills, he must be the be$t".

I don't know if TSM beating LGD would be funny, chinese teams getting shat on was cool because $$$ korean imports $$$ didn't beat the "friendship power" anime like, but I want to see and understand the hype about Imp and GodV, since I didn't catch a lot of their LPL games :o.
WriterMaru
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
October 04 2015 11:50 GMT
#4652
On October 04 2015 20:44 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 19:35 Kenpark wrote:
TSM vs LGD will be interesting. Big mismatches across all lanes. Bjergsen should dumpster Gold V, while the other lanes are heavily LGD favoured. I expect some good TSM early game, getting a slight lead followed by awful midgame decisions on both sides and in the end Imp will carry it home in a +40min game.

Am I the only one, who finds it mildly funny, how Thorin and Monte were shitting and laughing at the lolesports top 20 rankings and now 3 days in their ranking couldnt be off more. Remember Thorin had GodV as the third best player of the whole tournament. That guy got now schooled around by Peke and Nagne, failing skillshots and flashes left and right and looks like one of the weakest midlaners in the tournament.
The best player of any western team by far was supposed to be Huni according to Thorin. Huni now basicaly lost Fnatic their game alone, while Peke, Sneaky, DL, Inca and Febiven are all performing really really well.


Wasn't it obvious that Huni was the weakest link of fnatic, because he was so prone to tilting?
Like Huni can be super good but there is this little chance that he tilts hard, wants to go ham too much and bam, his team is in a bad spot.
I don't know about Monte but I heard Thorin has no clue about the game, so no wonders his predictions are off, he is like "Oh Huni does a lot of kills, he must be the be$t".

I don't know if TSM beating LGD would be funny, chinese teams getting shat on was cool because $$$ korean imports $$$ didn't beat the "friendship power" anime like, but I want to see and understand the hype about Imp and GodV, since I didn't catch a lot of their LPL games :o.


didnt thorin also say how shit the new FNC was before they went on their winning spree? not to flame one guy but i think all "professional" analysis in LoL works with a pretty small sample size and more imagination and expectation than hard facts, plus some plain old favorism for good measure.
MuddyJam
Profile Joined September 2014
535 Posts
October 04 2015 11:51 GMT
#4653
Predictions

TSM > LGD
Assuming TSM wins draft with something scaling.
KT > OG
Kt bit too clean and polished for OG. Super hyped for top lane match up though. Also Soaz can have the counter pick so should give him the edge. Two best top laners in the world imo (plus marin).
IG < AHQ
C9 < FNC
Fnc should pick/ban tris but more widely target sneaky. If huni doesn't get flustered like yesterday they should be fine. If c9 win despite this then they are legitimately very good.
KOO > CLG
didn't watch FW vs KOO. If KOO lose they are probably not making it out.
PNG < FW

Yesterday was stomping China, will today be stomping Korea?

Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9195 Posts
October 04 2015 11:54 GMT
#4654
On October 04 2015 20:50 Naphal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 20:44 Poopi wrote:
On October 04 2015 19:35 Kenpark wrote:
TSM vs LGD will be interesting. Big mismatches across all lanes. Bjergsen should dumpster Gold V, while the other lanes are heavily LGD favoured. I expect some good TSM early game, getting a slight lead followed by awful midgame decisions on both sides and in the end Imp will carry it home in a +40min game.

Am I the only one, who finds it mildly funny, how Thorin and Monte were shitting and laughing at the lolesports top 20 rankings and now 3 days in their ranking couldnt be off more. Remember Thorin had GodV as the third best player of the whole tournament. That guy got now schooled around by Peke and Nagne, failing skillshots and flashes left and right and looks like one of the weakest midlaners in the tournament.
The best player of any western team by far was supposed to be Huni according to Thorin. Huni now basicaly lost Fnatic their game alone, while Peke, Sneaky, DL, Inca and Febiven are all performing really really well.


Wasn't it obvious that Huni was the weakest link of fnatic, because he was so prone to tilting?
Like Huni can be super good but there is this little chance that he tilts hard, wants to go ham too much and bam, his team is in a bad spot.
I don't know about Monte but I heard Thorin has no clue about the game, so no wonders his predictions are off, he is like "Oh Huni does a lot of kills, he must be the be$t".

I don't know if TSM beating LGD would be funny, chinese teams getting shat on was cool because $$$ korean imports $$$ didn't beat the "friendship power" anime like, but I want to see and understand the hype about Imp and GodV, since I didn't catch a lot of their LPL games :o.


didnt thorin also say how shit the new FNC was before they went on their winning spree? not to flame one guy but i think all "professional" analysis in LoL works with a pretty small sample size and more imagination and expectation than hard facts, plus some plain old favorism for good measure.


He made a video called "how fnatic lost the offseason" or something like that. Altough it's hard to blame him for not predicting that no names Huni, Reignover and Febiven will crush their competition in Europe.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 04 2015 11:56 GMT
#4655
well koo has a decent chance of being stomped upon. but i don't think that should qualify as stomping korea.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-04 11:58:14
October 04 2015 11:57 GMT
#4656


T_T_T_T come on LGD.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 04 2015 11:59 GMT
#4657
they can still make it out of that group if goldv turns up. i dont know if he'll ever get out of gold though.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
October 04 2015 12:01 GMT
#4658
On October 04 2015 20:51 MuddyJam wrote:
Predictions

TSM > LGD
Assuming TSM wins draft with something scaling.
KT > OG
Kt bit too clean and polished for OG. Super hyped for top lane match up though. Also Soaz can have the counter pick so should give him the edge. Two best top laners in the world imo (plus marin).
IG < AHQ
C9 < FNC
Fnc should pick/ban tris but more widely target sneaky. If huni doesn't get flustered like yesterday they should be fine. If c9 win despite this then they are legitimately very good.
KOO > CLG
didn't watch FW vs KOO. If KOO lose they are probably not making it out.
PNG < FW

Yesterday was stomping China, will today be stomping Korea?



I agree with all except for TSM and KOO winning. I think LGD and CLG will win today.
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MuddyJam
Profile Joined September 2014
535 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-04 12:03:06
October 04 2015 12:01 GMT
#4659
On October 04 2015 20:56 oneofthem wrote:
well koo has a decent chance of being stomped upon. but i don't think that should qualify as stomping korea.


would be more if somehow OG beats KT. Not really stomping but you get the idea.

Quick comment on Febiven. He was like top 5/10 in challenger before be joined fnatic and wrecking people. If you listened to interviews with other mids they all said he was super strong.

edit: reading that LGD tweet makes me more confident in my TSM prediction.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-04 12:05:40
October 04 2015 12:03 GMT
#4660
On October 04 2015 20:50 Naphal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 20:44 Poopi wrote:
On October 04 2015 19:35 Kenpark wrote:
TSM vs LGD will be interesting. Big mismatches across all lanes. Bjergsen should dumpster Gold V, while the other lanes are heavily LGD favoured. I expect some good TSM early game, getting a slight lead followed by awful midgame decisions on both sides and in the end Imp will carry it home in a +40min game.

Am I the only one, who finds it mildly funny, how Thorin and Monte were shitting and laughing at the lolesports top 20 rankings and now 3 days in their ranking couldnt be off more. Remember Thorin had GodV as the third best player of the whole tournament. That guy got now schooled around by Peke and Nagne, failing skillshots and flashes left and right and looks like one of the weakest midlaners in the tournament.
The best player of any western team by far was supposed to be Huni according to Thorin. Huni now basicaly lost Fnatic their game alone, while Peke, Sneaky, DL, Inca and Febiven are all performing really really well.


Wasn't it obvious that Huni was the weakest link of fnatic, because he was so prone to tilting?
Like Huni can be super good but there is this little chance that he tilts hard, wants to go ham too much and bam, his team is in a bad spot.
I don't know about Monte but I heard Thorin has no clue about the game, so no wonders his predictions are off, he is like "Oh Huni does a lot of kills, he must be the be$t".

I don't know if TSM beating LGD would be funny, chinese teams getting shat on was cool because $$$ korean imports $$$ didn't beat the "friendship power" anime like, but I want to see and understand the hype about Imp and GodV, since I didn't catch a lot of their LPL games :o.


didnt thorin also say how shit the new FNC was before they went on their winning spree? not to flame one guy but i think all "professional" analysis in LoL works with a pretty small sample size and more imagination and expectation than hard facts, plus some plain old favorism for good measure.
Not to defend anyone, but in analyzing teams in a game like lol, you're bound to small sample sizes, because average performance seems to change rapidly in time, with the exception of only a few teams. This in combination with a relatively small amount of matches per amount of time will make both predictions and prediction errors pretty volatile. Also, I think going from a domestic to international setting increases volatility (how to deal with different styles?). And the current state of the game (small amount of games on this patch with a lot of power picks) increases that even further. So getting predictions wrong for this worlds is to be expected.

That's no excuse for lack of facts, imagination and bias of course. But I think it's something to keep in mind when judging analysts on their predictions (at least at worlds).
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