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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On May 10 2015 13:39 739 wrote: Faker played really well against Fnatic. Dunno what about the Pawn-factor ;-) Not sure if you're trolling but Faker's ahri and azir was really underwhelming vs Fnatic, he even got solokilled by Febi twice in lane | ||
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decyfer
Australia162 Posts
On May 10 2015 13:49 MooMooMugi wrote: Not sure if you're trolling but Faker's ahri and azir was really underwhelming vs Fnatic, he even got solokilled by Febi twice in lane Still had a massive impact on the game with the Azir. Let's not forget that sweet Ezreal play in g1 too. His Ahri was underwhelming though. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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ExodusKing
8 Posts
The only reason Pawn ever solo-killed Faker was because (as stated by Pawn in pre-game trashtalk) Faker would have incredible stress to carry the odl SKT because he was only laner thats was better than SSW counterpart. Because of this he went on tilt and got desperate trying to get kills and made stupid choices. First checkmark is for Faker to have laners that are even or better than Pawns team. Check Second is for Faker to pick a smart champ. He seems to be very obsessed on proving himself on this Azir. IMO if he just would pick ezreal when the team needs a backline damage dealer (as he is a god ezreal) then they would do better. And he could probs beat pawn as hard as he beat febiven But SKT will run the GE tigers strat (one they used against GE) Run Easyhoon till you lose, then bring in Faker to rape em | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On May 10 2015 14:44 ExodusKing wrote: Faker vs Pawn would go towards Faker if two things happen. The only reason Pawn ever solo-killed Faker was because (as stated by Pawn in pre-game trashtalk) Faker would have incredible stress to carry the odl SKT because he was only laner thats was better than SSW counterpart. Because of this he went on tilt and got desperate trying to get kills and made stupid choices. First checkmark is for Faker to have laners that are even or better than Pawns team. Check Second is for Faker to pick a smart champ. He seems to be very obsessed on proving himself on this Azir. IMO if he just would pick ezreal when the team needs a backline damage dealer (as he is a god ezreal) then they would do better. And he could probs beat pawn as hard as he beat febiven But SKT will run the GE tigers strat (one they used against GE) Run Easyhoon till you lose, then bring in Faker to rape em >Marin, Bengi, Bang, Wolf better than Koro, Clearlove, Deft, Meiko Yeah OK lol. | ||
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ShootAnonymous
1948 Posts
On May 10 2015 14:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: >Marin, Bengi, Bang, Wolf better than Koro, Clearlove, Deft, Meiko Yeah OK lol. I think that the players on SKT & EDG are of comparable skill level to each other, but I think ExodusKing's point still kinda stands -- I don't get the feeling that Faker is under "incredible stress to carry the (current) SKT". (imo Deft & Meiko are in better condition than Band & Wolf, at least for today, and Koro1 has been performing great) | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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decyfer
Australia162 Posts
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On May 10 2015 14:57 ShootAnonymous wrote: I think that the players on SKT & EDG are of comparable skill level to each other, but I think ExodusKing's point still kinda stands -- I don't get the feeling that Faker is under "incredible stress to carry the (current) SKT". (imo Deft & Meiko are in better condition than Band & Wolf, at least for today, and Koro1 has been performing great) Meiko > Wolf and Clearlove > Bengi. I don't think anyone can argue with that. Koro1 vs Marin is a toss-up depending on who gets better help from the team. Marin has a higher variance (and possibly a higher ceiling) tho. And neither is Pawn under "incredible stress" to carry. I would argue that even Deft isn't. Literally everyone on EDG could carry. | ||
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ShootAnonymous
1948 Posts
On May 10 2015 15:03 chosenkerrigan wrote: Meiko > Wolf and Clearlove > Bengi. I don't think anyone can argue with that. Koro1 vs Marin is a toss-up depending on who gets better help from the team. Marin has a higher variance (and possibly a higher ceiling) tho. And neither is Pawn under "incredible stress" to carry. I would argue that even Deft isn't. Literally everyone on EDG could carry. Yes Clearlove's been doing great this tournament, but I keep expecting him to revert to his less-proactive form. >_> If you'll read ExodusKing's post you'll see that his post pertained specifically to factors affecting Fakers' performance. I was responding to Cheep's rebuttal of said post; thus whether or not Pawn is under incredible stress is besides the point (he's not). | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
Top Lane: Koro1 vs Marin + Show Spoiler + Koro1 has the upper hand in the matchup as he is not only able to play tanky initiators that EDG needs to go ham all the time (Maokai & TP/Smite Hecarim), he is able to bust out the Irelia and become a carry threat from the top lane. Marin on the other hand has had pretty mediocre games on anything that is not Gnar. His Rumble is decent but is not as good as Huni's Rumble this tournament. He will most likely fall back on Gnar if its against Rumble or Maokai. Jungle: Clearlove vs Bengi + Show Spoiler + Clearlove takes this matchup as well over the veteran SKT jungler. Unlike Bengi, he does not have a limited champion pool of 2 junglers in his arsenal. Clearlove has shown he can bust out a unconventional pick like Nautilius when Reksai, Gragas, and Sejuani are all taken away from him. The only saving grace for Bengi is his heavy early jungle pressure he can apply as Nunu and his deep ward control. Other than that, Clearlove excels more at teamfighting, ganking, and dragon control. Mid: Pawn vs Faker/Easyhoon + Show Spoiler + This is the tough one to call, in my personal opinion, I think Pawn has the slight slight advantage over Faker and maybe even or less favored over Easyhoon. Against Faker, I believe Pawn can beat Faker on anything champion Faker plays except for Leblanc. Simply because Pawn can play assassins in this meta like Kassadin and Fizz like a monster and Faker looked really shaky on his Ahri and Azir in the series vs. FNC. Against Easyhoon, I feel like Pawn will have a harder time because Easyhoon's control mage playstyle is not calm and controlled, its also safe because he almost nearly never dies in lane. Also, I think Easyhoon's Azir and Cassio play is on a higher level than Fakers with the possibility of pulling out the Ziggs and Vladmir if needed be. ADC: Deft vs Bang + Show Spoiler + In the ADC position at this tournament at least, I think Bang has shown a slightly more solid performance than Deft has. Although both players have showed they are capable of carrying their teams, each with one pentakill apiece, I find Bang contributions to SKT's victories are slightly more impactful than Deft's to EDG's victories. Both marksman champion pools' are almost identical, as the two are deadly on Urgot and Kalista if left open, the point where they start to differ is Bang can pull out the Ezreal for a safer/kite style of ADC and Deft sometimes favors Jinx if he believes his team can provide enough peel. Ultimately, whoever has the better positioning and team backing them up will carry his team to the win. Support: Meiko vs. Wolf + Show Spoiler + These two supports are the secondary playmakers of the team, often being the first or second one to initiate a pick or start a teamfight. However, the main point to highlight in this matchup is Thresh being the very highly contested pick between the two. As both players have shown they prefer Thresh over any other support, it would be smart to ban or pick it early in the pick/ban phase, note the other might just fall back on Alistar if they cannot secure Thresh. In the head to head, I think Meiko is a slightly better Thresh as he seems to have a higher successful hook rate while Wolf has his whiff moments. Their ward control is about equal but I believe in the end, Meiko will have a stronger impact in the game with his early roams and playmaking than Wolf will. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On May 10 2015 15:14 ShootAnonymous wrote: Yes Clearlove's been doing great this tournament, but I keep expecting him to revert to his less-proactive form. >_> If you'll read ExodusKing's post you'll see that his post pertained specifically to factors affecting Fakers' performance. I was responding to Cheep's rebuttal of said post; thus whether or not Pawn is under incredible stress is besides the point (he's not). No, it's directly relevant whether EDG or SKT is better, because he said- "Faker would have incredible stress to carry the odl SKT because he was only laner thats was better than SSW counterpart" If Meiko/Clearlove/Koro > Wolf/Bengi/Bang (which is true), then his point doesn't stand, so Faker would be back to "incredible stress" mode. | ||
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ShootAnonymous
1948 Posts
On May 10 2015 15:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: No, it's directly relevant whether EDG or SKT is better, because he said- "Faker would have incredible stress to carry the odl SKT because he was only laner thats was better than SSW counterpart" If Meiko/Clearlove/Koro > Wolf/Bengi/Bang (which is true), then his point doesn't stand, so Faker would be back to "incredible stress" mode. What you are saying is differnt from what chosen is saying. Chosen's post was talking about Pawn's stress level, when before that the conversation was only about Faker's stress level, Faker's teammates, Pawn's teammates. Were you talking about Pawn's stress level? I certainly wasn't. Apart from that I agree with the logic of your post except! I hold the opinion that the ">" isn't as big a ">" as it was on the old SKT, thus when pertaining to Faker's stress levels the ">" is insufficient to cause 'incredible stress'. (I apologise if I'm not being entirely coherent here; stayed up to watch MSI, haven't slept. will henceforth hold my silence re: pawn's stress level or the lack of thereof) | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On May 10 2015 17:16 Naphal wrote: man i would love to see a 3rd place match =( but well riot keeping the interregional exchange to a minimum. Riot hates having legitimate tournaments with good competition. They've done a great job growing esports scenes in Countries That Are Not Korea, but if we were going to have pure competition then Besiktas wouldn't be at this event (or they'd lose in some giant group stage qualifier). Riot also doesn't do double elim or large qualifiers because every game gets live air time to help promote the teams/sponsors/infrastructure and so there isn't time for it -- compare this to SC or even now HS where you have multiple streams going on for the less important parts and then switch to a single main event once you've thinned the riffraff down to your top 4/8/16 | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
Q: Who was the most difficult player to deal with during the semi finals? A: I would have to say Faker. Our midlaner Febiven is very scared of Faker. Even bringing his name up will make him nervous. We were hoping Easyhoon would play (laughs), Febiven did well against Easyhoon during scrims. Against Faker, I think he was too nervous from the beginning so he didn't play as well as he usually does. . That looks like the reason we did not see Easyhoon that series, and I'm impressed with Febiven, he really showed up this tournament. You could see he was nervous first two games (well halfway through second at least), I mean Faker must be his idol. I wonder if Easyhoon actually lost lane multiple times vs Febiven in scrims. In the ADC position at this tournament at least, I think Bang has shown a slightly more solid performance than Deft has. Although both players have showed they are capable of carrying their teams, each with one pentakill apiece, I find Bang contributions to SKT's victories are slightly more impactful than Deft's to EDG's victories. Both marksman champion pools' are almost identical, as the two are deadly on Urgot and Kalista if left open, the point where they start to differ is Bang can pull out the Ezreal for a safer/kite style of ADC and Deft sometimes favors Jinx if he believes his team can provide enough peel. Ultimately, whoever has the better positioning and team backing them up will carry his team to the win. Deft can also play Ezreal to a scary high level, he just hasn't done so in a long time (last time I can remember was vs Vasilli Sivir at start of season, and he did pretty well). Deft Jinx is scary, and don't forget his Corki, that's practically an Ezreal replacement. EDG might tear apart SKT tbh, although I actually think Reignover is better than Clearlove after this series, who was a big reason Bengi looked so lackluster first few games. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
SKT 3-0 confirmed | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
"Q: How do you prepare your bans? A: After yesterdays matches, we thought we should ban Lulu. Even though we were ahead, they came back and won because of the team comp. We didn't have too much thought about Maokai at first, but Marin seemed to prefer it and was very good on Maokai so we decided on that during the game. Faker didn't use Leblanc during scrims, so we didn't worry about it in game 2 and 3, but starting from game 4, we were scared that Faker would be mad." | ||
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decyfer
Australia162 Posts
I think if SKT get ahead then they are most likely going to win the game. They usually pick good scaling comps, and I'd expect EDG to be overly aggressive and make a few misplays. I think EDG's over aggression will be nullified if Bengi gets his hand on Nunu aswell, because there will be alot more wards on the map early Should be a good series. The one we all really wanted to see. | ||
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