EPTEDG takes 2015 Mid-Season Invitational - Page 14
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Buonomo
Canada84 Posts
On May 05 2015 02:16 Saradin wrote: That's more of an impact on how often you can play the sport at all. Higher ping doesn't prevent you from playing; it's just a handicap to deal with. And if you're actually competitive level, you'd kick ass and get noticed anyway. Like WildTurtle from Toronto or Quas from Venezuela. In other words, if an extra tenth of a second of latency is really enough to keep you down from rising above the rabble, you were never truly elite in the first place. Blaming ping is just a sign of a defeatist attitude; that your mentality isn't cut out for professional competition. Here's a repost of an argument I had on reddit, its not all about ping. Also this *isn't* an excuse for me as a player, I'm from Vancouver, on the west coast, so my ping is decent and I'm still only low plat. I'd just like to see NA able to compete as a region internationally and I'm tired of EU+KR>EU jokes. "Of the 25 American born players 15 are from California. Essentially, its due to a combination of the servers being there, making it significantly easier for you to reach challenger and be noticed by a team, and the fact that the LCS is hosted in California, meaning that California born players barely have to move to join an LCS team. Pobelter and Daydreamin even attended highschool, without having to transfer schools, while in LCS. The people from California are so circumstantially advantaged that it actually limits NA's talent pool. It's like having a nationwide race and having 19/20 people run it while wearing 10 pound ankleweights, the people you get at the end aren't the fastest people, they just weren't wearing ankleweights." "Think of the major barriers to an aspiring e-sports pro. Acceptance/motivation is a major one, whether a parent or guardian will allow their kid to move out and put aside their education to go pro; and whether the kid is even sufficiently motivated to do so. Obviously players from California would have to deal with this issue, but it is much less of a concern than for a player from another state/country. After all, the idea of your kid moving across the country, with you only being able to see him in the off-season, and completely dropping his education to play video games for a living isn't something a parent will readily agree to. And its a major life choice for the kid as well, not everyone is just going to jump at the opportunity. Your kid is just moving a couple hours down the highway, still attending highschool (which, as stated above, some LCS players did) and making a significant secondary income obviously sounds like a way better deal." To follow up on Quas and WT, you have to be a pretty exceptional person to be committed enough to travel across the country/to a different country, putting your entire future at risk by taking a job with really low job security and putting you education at the wayside. Plus you have to be a pretty exceptional solo queue player. I mean look at WT. I'm pretty sure he didn't have 4 accounts in the top 10 when he was in Toronto, but put him on the west coast ping and give him the time needed and he's THE solo queue god. Honestly, its not much of a surprise that alot of the best players in NA, Meteos, Sneaky, Hai, Quas, Lemon and WT just to name a few are from the east coast (or Venezuela in Quas' case). The commitment needed is so much larger that you're bound to get more dedicated players, and often more talented players as well. | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
Which branches off to a separate question: What similar game offers a comparable career opportunity in NA? What's the competition for the efforts of a player potentially good enough to play this sort of thing for cash? | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
It seems a bit unfair to say that NA's problem is in location and ping. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
Everyone shitting on EU and our SEA hipsters led me to believe that AHQ could get 4th or 5th. But at the same time I think EDG are favorites over SKT and TSM actually have a shot at winning so perhaps I just want upsets :p @ed: OK I forgot about Kevin's great carrier, oh what a great player why does noone but Thorin give him recognition. | ||
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Buonomo
Canada84 Posts
On May 05 2015 02:54 Ansibled wrote: According to Google, the population of California is ~39 million. The population of Korea is ~50 million. Korea also has, you know, a decade's history in Brood War, and household name organizations involved in eSports. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35153 Posts
On May 05 2015 02:54 Ansibled wrote: According to Google, the population of California is ~39 million and the population of the west coast is ~50 million. The population of Korea is ~50 million. It seems a bit unfair to say that NA's problem is in location and ping. Yeah, and supposedly Faker raged on stream when his ping was ~25. | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
So going a bit deeper than that; League, or e-sports in general, hasn't established itself sufficiently in society as a 'thing' or viable career yet. And there still needs more money involved in it. It's just a relatively young cultural phenomenon still. (from an NA resident perspective; I can't speak on EU) | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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LimpingGoat
898 Posts
On May 05 2015 03:10 Saradin wrote: Buonomo: What you bring up about life & culture related circumstances are excellent points, and I find them to be far more salient to the core of the matter than ping. Ping strikes me as more of the simple surface side of the circumstances that's easier to point to in casual conversation. So going a bit deeper than that; League, or e-sports in general, hasn't established itself sufficiently in society as a 'thing' or viable career yet. And there still needs more money involved in it. It's just a relatively young cultural phenomenon still. (from an NA resident perspective; I can't speak on EU) This is the case even in korea. | ||
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LimpingGoat
898 Posts
On May 05 2015 01:44 Maluk wrote: Being banned just means you can't make posts right ? I'm willing to bet a lifetime ban that none of your predictions are correct LimpingGoat. EDG won't do better than SKT, TSM won't do better than SKT, neither TSM nor EDG will win MSI, Fnatic won't do better than SKT. If any of the above turns out to be false I'm willing to be permanently banned, if you accept the challenge. If not then I don't really know where your confidence is. Easiest bet of my life. I agree to this. | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Holy shit, the deal is real. | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
Plus physical distance (not latency, but the aspect of parents letting their kid live so far from home) should be far less of an issue. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On May 05 2015 02:47 Ansibled wrote: Do people think AHQ will take games from anyone other than Turkey? Considering that ahq is better than yoe wolves, that wouldnt be a surprise if they beat fnatic and upset one of big teams. | ||
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Buonomo
Canada84 Posts
On May 05 2015 04:13 krndandaman wrote: yeah basically unless the great turkish overlords take the tournament implying there's any way bestikas even drops a single game lol u fking nerds have no idea what kind of shitstorm is coming skt and edg better batten down the fuckin hatches if they want there organizations to even survive this bestikas will destroy them first msi then the world kebab will remove you | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Maluk
France987 Posts
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