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On April 14 2015 05:13 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 02:13 Azarkon wrote:On April 14 2015 02:01 Lost My Will To Live wrote:On April 14 2015 01:51 Azarkon wrote:
Your block of text Why do you even bother comparing people across regions and saying shit like "Bjergsen would win against X, but not Y"? There's no point in speculating when let's be real who knows what's going to happen because they haven't played each other. I mean, we saw PowerofEvil take a fucking shit all over Bjergsen out of nowhere. Anything can happen. Dade shit the bed at worlds a couple years ago when he was the worlds second best mid player. In that case, what basis is there for stating that TSM won't ever beat EDG and SKT, after all they haven't met each other, have they? Theorycrafting is theorycrafting regardless of whether it's team vs. team / player vs. player. Observers are bound to theorycraft because it's entertaining to do, not because it's objective fact. Having said that, such theorycrafting is not completely useless. 1v1 match ups are a lot easier to "eyeball test" than team vs. team just as mechanical differences were easy to spot in Starcraft. EU mids have shown parity with all but the very best Korean mids for years now; Bjergsen losing to PoE is surely an upset but also not completely out of the left field. Froggen and Xpeke both matched Korean mids at Worlds last year - Ggoong and Dade, respectively - and this year, Bjerg did the same at IEM vs. Coco, and I reckon so is Febiven when given the opportunity. EU mids have been dumpstered in almost every single meetup against a CN team at internationals. Just going to leave that out there ...
Honestly I'm pretty sure EU has a better win rate in the past two seasons vs Korea than China
S3 worlds:
vs CN - 1-5 (OMG 2-0 vs lomodogs in groups,SKT 2-0 Lomodogs, royal 3-1 fnatic)
vs kr - 5-3 (Gambit/Fnatic 4-1 vs Ozone, NJBS 2-1 Gambit)
IEM Katowice 2014:
vs CN - 2-1 (Fnatic 1-1 iG, Gambit 1-0 WE)
vs KR - 0-6 (KTB 6-0 Millenium/Fnatic/Gambit)
S4 all-stars:
vs CN 0-1 (OMG 1-0 Fnatic)
vs KR 0-3 (SKT 1-0 Fnatic in group, 2-0 in playoffs)
S4 worlds:
vs CN - 0-4 (Fnatic 0-2 OMG, SK 0-2 Starhorn)
vs KR - 2-2 (Fnatic 1-1 SSB, Alliance 1-1 NJWS)
IEM Katowice 2015:
vs CN - 0-1 (WE 1-0 Gambit)
vs KR - 0-1 (GE 1-0 SK)
Making EU's record vs China in the past two seasons: 3-12
vs Korea: 9-20
In summary, EU cannot handle the Chinese aggression. Also that 15 matches played between Europe and China over two years is bullshit.
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On April 14 2015 01:53 Mensol wrote:
Dyrus can play toe to toe against Gogoing only in parallel universe.
Why the fuck are people so obsessed with standard lane matchups. If standard lane matchups mattered OMG wouldn't drop games to anyone except EDG
Like seriously, I know its what you experience winning you the game in solo queue, but its not the be all, end all of the League of Legends experience. Have you fuckers seen how poorly OMG drafts? They could literally lose to anyone with a competent coach. Look at this shit. http://i.imgur.com/9GPaShs.jpg Tell me this the team that did this is a good team.
On April 13 2015 19:34 skykh wrote:
Vg,IG,Snake,EDG are better then tsm. Typical na overrating tsm perfomance again. They will get exposed vs teams who midlaner is equal or better then Bjergsen(faker,pawn,rookie,cool,febiven,poe,weiless...) . I mean the fact that fucking hai is 4 times in the final said enough.
(Reading comment, okay perfectly reasonable statements, this is fine, *sees list*)
WOAH THERE BUDDY, you're putting Powerofevil and Febiven on the same list as Faker, PawN and Rookie? That's like me making a list of AD Carries who are better than Steeelback and putting Deft, Imp and PraY on the same list as Cop and Doublelift. I mean I wouldn't be wrong, but its sorta, you know, jarring and disrespectful to Deft, Imp and PraY, don't you think?
Also *Hai is bad but PoE is good*
Nice meme friend
*Points to VoDs of Hai solo killing PoE at IEM.*
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I'm more upset that we never had a CN-KR tournament in the end.
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On April 14 2015 05:27 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 05:13 KissBlade wrote:On April 14 2015 02:13 Azarkon wrote:On April 14 2015 02:01 Lost My Will To Live wrote:On April 14 2015 01:51 Azarkon wrote:
Your block of text Why do you even bother comparing people across regions and saying shit like "Bjergsen would win against X, but not Y"? There's no point in speculating when let's be real who knows what's going to happen because they haven't played each other. I mean, we saw PowerofEvil take a fucking shit all over Bjergsen out of nowhere. Anything can happen. Dade shit the bed at worlds a couple years ago when he was the worlds second best mid player. In that case, what basis is there for stating that TSM won't ever beat EDG and SKT, after all they haven't met each other, have they? Theorycrafting is theorycrafting regardless of whether it's team vs. team / player vs. player. Observers are bound to theorycraft because it's entertaining to do, not because it's objective fact. Having said that, such theorycrafting is not completely useless. 1v1 match ups are a lot easier to "eyeball test" than team vs. team just as mechanical differences were easy to spot in Starcraft. EU mids have shown parity with all but the very best Korean mids for years now; Bjergsen losing to PoE is surely an upset but also not completely out of the left field. Froggen and Xpeke both matched Korean mids at Worlds last year - Ggoong and Dade, respectively - and this year, Bjerg did the same at IEM vs. Coco, and I reckon so is Febiven when given the opportunity. EU mids have been dumpstered in almost every single meetup against a CN team at internationals. Just going to leave that out there ... Honestly I'm pretty sure EU has a better win rate in the past two seasons vs Korea than China S3 worlds: vs CN - 1-5 (OMG 2-0 vs lomodogs in groups, royal 3-1 fnatic) vs kr - 5- 5 (Gambit/Fnatic 4-1 vs Ozone, NJBS 2-1 Gambit, Lomododg 0-2 vs KST) IEM Katowice 2014: vs CN - 2-1 (Fnatic 1-1 iG, Gambit 1-0 WE) vs KR - 0-6 (KTB 6-0 Millenium/Fnatic/Gambit) S4 all-stars: vs CN 0-1 (OMG 1-0 Fnatic) vs KR 0-3 (SKT 1-0 Fnatic in group, 2-0 in playoffs) S4 worlds: vs CN - 0-4 (Fnatic 0-2 OMG, SK 0-2 Starhorn) vs KR - 2-2 (Fnatic 1-1 SSB, Alliance 1-1 NJWS) IEM Katowice 2015: vs CN - 0-1 (WE 1-0 Gambit) vs KR - 0-1 (GE 1-0 SK) Making EU's record vs China in the past two seasons: 3-12 vs Korea: 9- 20In summary, EU cannot handle the Chinese aggression. Also that 15 matches played between Europe and China over two years is bullshit.
Fixed for SKT.
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Crap I forgot about SKT ~_~
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uhhh I hit fucking quote instead of edit nice
I guess I'll use this post to ask if T0M has been giving out free blowjobs in this thread or something, because everyone seems to be putting SKT in the same tier as EDG.
User was warned for this post
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OMG is hard call for anyone this season until we see them at playoffs. Their coach has this bizarro mindset that hyperbolic time chambers do exist for League and mandates that OMG should pick the shittiest comp imaginable to practice. (I am legit not making this up). I'm not so sold on it ....
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On April 14 2015 05:17 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 04:59 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 13:53 Buonomo wrote:
Turtle's been trending upwards since Worlds. Uh... No. Turtle's been back in form since they dropped Gleeb from their team. That guy has no business being a professional player. I think Gleeb is a decent support. When he was on TSM he was the focal point for all the teams failings and was dealing with mental issues he didn't even know about. I don't think it's any coincidence 6 of the 7 wins Winterfox had were with Gleeb.
Oh ya? Well I don't think it's any coincidence 1 of the 1 wins Coast had were against Gleeb!!!
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In all seriousness he may be a perfectly decent and serviceable support.
I just have a very hard time believing that there aren't 8 better support mains in NA that teams could be grabbing over him.
What were his unknown mental health issues? I hadn't heard about that.
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Was hoping for something more recent but I'll probably watch it, thx.
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On April 14 2015 05:35 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 05:17 Gahlo wrote:On April 14 2015 04:59 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 13:53 Buonomo wrote:
Turtle's been trending upwards since Worlds. Uh... No. Turtle's been back in form since they dropped Gleeb from their team. That guy has no business being a professional player. I think Gleeb is a decent support. When he was on TSM he was the focal point for all the teams failings and was dealing with mental issues he didn't even know about. I don't think it's any coincidence 6 of the 7 wins Winterfox had were with Gleeb. Oh ya? Well I don't think it's any coincidence 1 of the 1 wins Coast had were against Gleeb!!! ... In all seriousness he may be a perfectly decent and serviceable support. I just have a very hard time believing that there aren't 8 better support mains in NA that teams could be grabbing over him. What were his unknown mental health issues? I hadn't heard about that.
He had an undiagnosed bipolar disorder that came out under the stress of playing on the LCS stage for TSM and wasn't ever sleeping properly.
https://www.facebook.com/gleeblol/posts/353223521491856
On April 14 2015 05:38 AlterKot wrote:Was hoping for something more recent but I'll probably watch it, thx.
I remember the finals of this tournament having some straight up hooligan shit, somebody got bottles thrown at them on stage (I think it was towards iG)
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That was the zenith of WE and IG was basically the only one giving WE any issues at that time. And yeah apparently iG had stuff thrown at them on stage when they won or something and XiaoXiao started calling out the crowd. Hahaha and we thought TSM fans were bad XD
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The only people who think TSM fans are bad are just butthurt because we know how to cheer.
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On April 14 2015 05:47 Gahlo wrote:
The only people who think TSM fans are bad are just butthurt because we know how to cheer.
TSM fans have nothing on WE fans though.
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Eh I was a TSM fan till the last remaining member left. (Xpecial).
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On April 14 2015 05:13 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 02:13 Azarkon wrote:On April 14 2015 02:01 Lost My Will To Live wrote:On April 14 2015 01:51 Azarkon wrote:
Your block of text Why do you even bother comparing people across regions and saying shit like "Bjergsen would win against X, but not Y"? There's no point in speculating when let's be real who knows what's going to happen because they haven't played each other. I mean, we saw PowerofEvil take a fucking shit all over Bjergsen out of nowhere. Anything can happen. Dade shit the bed at worlds a couple years ago when he was the worlds second best mid player. In that case, what basis is there for stating that TSM won't ever beat EDG and SKT, after all they haven't met each other, have they? Theorycrafting is theorycrafting regardless of whether it's team vs. team / player vs. player. Observers are bound to theorycraft because it's entertaining to do, not because it's objective fact. Having said that, such theorycrafting is not completely useless. 1v1 match ups are a lot easier to "eyeball test" than team vs. team just as mechanical differences were easy to spot in Starcraft. EU mids have shown parity with all but the very best Korean mids for years now; Bjergsen losing to PoE is surely an upset but also not completely out of the left field. Froggen and Xpeke both matched Korean mids at Worlds last year - Ggoong and Dade, respectively - and this year, Bjerg did the same at IEM vs. Coco, and I reckon so is Febiven when given the opportunity. EU mids have been dumpstered in almost every single meetup against a CN team at internationals. Just going to leave that out there ...
Froggen, Fox, PowerOfEvil, and Febiven have never played vs. any CN mid in recent times.
Xpeke went 1-1-1 vs. Cool at All-Stars and Worlds.
Bjergsen went 2-1-0 vs. Xiye at IEM, 2-0-0 vs. Corn at Worlds. He was 40 CS up in both games at 15:00.
The match up is not in CN's favor at all.
But Pawn did beat Bjergsen at Worlds, which is why the EDG match up is in EDG's favor from the ground up.
I imagine it's going to be the same for Faker and SKT.
Not sure about Rookie, Cool, and Weiless but it's pretty safe to say they aren't underdogs.
But Bjergsen is going to have a field day vs. Corn, Baka, and Hetong.
The rest of EU mids, insofar as they are on par with Bjergsen, are going to do the same. But I personally believe PoE is a level below the rest and Froggen is slumping, so it's just Febiven, Xpeke, and Fox.
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On April 14 2015 05:35 Nemireck wrote:
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In all seriousness he may be a perfectly decent and serviceable support.
I just have a very hard time believing that there aren't 8 better support mains in NA that teams could be grabbing over him.
Well, when you consider that the LCS NA is pretty much just the LCS California its not entirely surprising. I mean there 5 times more people living on the Eastern Seaboard compared to the number of people living in California, but 13 current LCS players were raised in California while the Eastern Seaboard has only 2 (both strangely from Florida). I wouldn't call it too shocking if Gleeb was one of the 8 best supports in California.
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I find We1less to be underwhelming, but thats just me.
On April 14 2015 05:54 Buonomo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 05:35 Nemireck wrote:
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In all seriousness he may be a perfectly decent and serviceable support.
I just have a very hard time believing that there aren't 8 better support mains in NA that teams could be grabbing over him.
Well, when you consider that the LCS NA is pretty much just the LCS California its not entirely surprising. I mean there 5 times more people living on the Eastern Seaboard compared to the number of people living in California, but 13 current LCS players were raised in California while the Eastern Seaboard has only 2 (both strangely from Florida). I wouldn't call it too shocking if Gleeb was one of the 8 best supports in California.
Because ping totally doesnt matter 
Riot's server screw up essentially means that 3/4 of the continent has to be a top 10 player to even make challenger.
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On April 14 2015 05:51 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 05:13 KissBlade wrote:On April 14 2015 02:13 Azarkon wrote:On April 14 2015 02:01 Lost My Will To Live wrote:On April 14 2015 01:51 Azarkon wrote:
Your block of text Why do you even bother comparing people across regions and saying shit like "Bjergsen would win against X, but not Y"? There's no point in speculating when let's be real who knows what's going to happen because they haven't played each other. I mean, we saw PowerofEvil take a fucking shit all over Bjergsen out of nowhere. Anything can happen. Dade shit the bed at worlds a couple years ago when he was the worlds second best mid player. In that case, what basis is there for stating that TSM won't ever beat EDG and SKT, after all they haven't met each other, have they? Theorycrafting is theorycrafting regardless of whether it's team vs. team / player vs. player. Observers are bound to theorycraft because it's entertaining to do, not because it's objective fact. Having said that, such theorycrafting is not completely useless. 1v1 match ups are a lot easier to "eyeball test" than team vs. team just as mechanical differences were easy to spot in Starcraft. EU mids have shown parity with all but the very best Korean mids for years now; Bjergsen losing to PoE is surely an upset but also not completely out of the left field. Froggen and Xpeke both matched Korean mids at Worlds last year - Ggoong and Dade, respectively - and this year, Bjerg did the same at IEM vs. Coco, and I reckon so is Febiven when given the opportunity. EU mids have been dumpstered in almost every single meetup against a CN team at internationals. Just going to leave that out there ... Froggen, Fox, PowerOfEvil, and Febiven have never played vs. any CN mid in recent times. Xpeke went 1-1-1 vs. Cool at All-Stars and Worlds. Bjergsen went 2-1-0 vs. Xiye at IEM, 2-0-0 vs. Corn at Worlds. He was 40 CS up in both games at 15:00. The match up is not in CN's favor at all. But Pawn did beat Bjergsen at Worlds, which is why the EDG match up is in EDG's favor from the ground up. I imagine it's going to be the same for Faker and SKT. Not sure about Rookie, Cool, and Weiless but it's pretty safe to say they aren't underdogs. But Bjergsen is going to have a field day vs. Corn, Baka, and Hetong. The rest of EU mids, insofar as they are on par with Bjergsen, are going to do the same. But I personally believe PoE is a level below the rest and Froggen is slumping, so it's just Febiven, Xpeke, and Fox.
Lol, you listed like 4-5 games out of a mass pool of them. Have you conveniently forgotten that xPeke, Nukeduck got destroyed by Cool/Whit3zz??? Or that Bjergsen (and why is he even in this discussion when he's on TSM??) was ahead in cs because Corn was on a utility mage mid and Bjergsen got the straight up counterpick game 2??? And xPeke never ever beat Cool. Comparing xPeke and Corn this season is a straight up insult to Corn who's been playing 1v9 on SHRC. The haterade is strong with you to think such a lopsided statistics from games is somehow "not in CN's favor at all". You clearly don't even watch League why the hell do you bother commenting in these threads?
Just going to let the stat line drop from Fusilero anyway.
3:12. "Not in CN's favor at all".
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On April 14 2015 05:54 Buonomo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 05:35 Nemireck wrote:
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In all seriousness he may be a perfectly decent and serviceable support.
I just have a very hard time believing that there aren't 8 better support mains in NA that teams could be grabbing over him.
Well, when you consider that the LCS NA is pretty much just the LCS California its not entirely surprising. I mean there 5 times more people living on the Eastern Seaboard compared to the number of people living in California, but 13 current LCS players were raised in California while the Eastern Seaboard has only 2 (both strangely from Florida). I wouldn't call it too shocking if Gleeb was one of the 8 best supports in California.
I also didn't know that the LCS was so heavily tilted towards people living in California, which isn't all that surprising given the likelihood of some 17-18 year old in New York or Chicago deciding to say "Fuck School!" and moving to Cali.
Also it's probably pretty tough for new players to get noticed when they're rocking that 90 ping on the fastest Internet money can buy. That eye test doing wonders for scouting, no doubt.
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