In all seriousness he may be a perfectly decent and serviceable support.
I just have a very hard time believing that there aren't 8 better support mains in NA that teams could be grabbing over him.
Well, when you consider that the LCS NA is pretty much just the LCS California its not entirely surprising. I mean there 5 times more people living on the Eastern Seaboard compared to the number of people living in California, but 13 current LCS players were raised in California while the Eastern Seaboard has only 2 (both strangely from Florida). I wouldn't call it too shocking if Gleeb was one of the 8 best supports in California.
I also didn't know that the LCS was so heavily tilted towards people living in California, which isn't all that surprising given the likelihood of some 17-18 year old in New York or Chicago deciding to say "Fuck School!" and moving to Cali.
Also it's probably pretty tough for new players to get noticed when they're rocking that 90 ping on the fastest Internet money can buy. That eye test doing wonders for scouting, no doubt.
Quas got noticed with like 300 ping. It's because a majority of NA are more concerned about streaming than actual competitive drive. Oddly enough, that's also a parallel with CN players as the general consensus is that individually they are as talented as Koreans but have horrible work ethic.
On April 14 2015 02:01 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:51 Azarkon wrote: Your block of text
Why do you even bother comparing people across regions and saying shit like "Bjergsen would win against X, but not Y"?
There's no point in speculating when let's be real who knows what's going to happen because they haven't played each other. I mean, we saw PowerofEvil take a fucking shit all over Bjergsen out of nowhere. Anything can happen. Dade shit the bed at worlds a couple years ago when he was the worlds second best mid player.
In that case, what basis is there for stating that TSM won't ever beat EDG and SKT, after all they haven't met each other, have they? Theorycrafting is theorycrafting regardless of whether it's team vs. team / player vs. player. Observers are bound to theorycraft because it's entertaining to do, not because it's objective fact.
Having said that, such theorycrafting is not completely useless. 1v1 match ups are a lot easier to "eyeball test" than team vs. team just as mechanical differences were easy to spot in Starcraft. EU mids have shown parity with all but the very best Korean mids for years now; Bjergsen losing to PoE is surely an upset but also not completely out of the left field. Froggen and Xpeke both matched Korean mids at Worlds last year - Ggoong and Dade, respectively - and this year, Bjerg did the same at IEM vs. Coco, and I reckon so is Febiven when given the opportunity.
EU mids have been dumpstered in almost every single meetup against a CN team at internationals. Just going to leave that out there ...
Froggen, Fox, PowerOfEvil, and Febiven have never played vs. any CN mid in recent times.
Xpeke went 1-1-1 vs. Cool at All-Stars and Worlds.
Bjergsen went 2-1-0 vs. Xiye at IEM, 2-0-0 vs. Corn at Worlds. He was 40 CS up in both games at 15:00.
The match up is not in CN's favor at all.
But Pawn did beat Bjergsen at Worlds, which is why the EDG match up is in EDG's favor from the ground up.
I imagine it's going to be the same for Faker and SKT.
Not sure about Rookie, Cool, and Weiless but it's pretty safe to say they aren't underdogs.
But Bjergsen is going to have a field day vs. Corn, Baka, and Hetong.
The rest of EU mids, insofar as they are on par with Bjergsen, are going to do the same. But I personally believe PoE is a level below the rest and Froggen is slumping, so it's just Febiven, Xpeke, and Fox.
This post shows that
1. You don't really know League and relevant matchups
2. You probably failed statistics/econometrics classes in college, if you've even taken any
In all seriousness he may be a perfectly decent and serviceable support.
I just have a very hard time believing that there aren't 8 better support mains in NA that teams could be grabbing over him.
Well, when you consider that the LCS NA is pretty much just the LCS California its not entirely surprising. I mean there 5 times more people living on the Eastern Seaboard compared to the number of people living in California, but 13 current LCS players were raised in California while the Eastern Seaboard has only 2 (both strangely from Florida). I wouldn't call it too shocking if Gleeb was one of the 8 best supports in California.
I also didn't know that the LCS was so heavily tilted towards people living in California, which isn't all that surprising given the likelihood of some 17-18 year old in New York or Chicago deciding to say "Fuck School!" and moving to Cali.
Also it's probably pretty tough for new players to get noticed when they're rocking that 90 ping on the fastest Internet money can buy. That eye test doing wonders for scouting, no doubt.
Quas got noticed with like 300 ping. It's because a majority of NA are more concerned about streaming than actual competitive drive. Oddly enough, that's also a parallel with CN players as the general consensus is that individually they are as talented as Koreans but have horrible work ethic.
Ya, and here I am a few minutes later realizing that WildTurtle is from Toronto like me. So there goes my excuse for being stuck in S1/G5 my entire playing career
On April 14 2015 05:44 KissBlade wrote: That was the zenith of WE and IG was basically the only one giving WE any issues at that time. And yeah apparently iG had stuff thrown at them on stage when they won or something and XiaoXiao started calling out the crowd. Hahaha and we thought TSM fans were bad XD
First 15 seconds, you can see PDD and XiaoXiao point and yell at someone lomo. you can see the empty bottle at their feet too if you pay attention.
On April 14 2015 01:39 LimpingGoat wrote: As far as rating TSM goes, they are easily a top 3 team in the World right now. Potentially the best.
Part of me wants TSM to keep succeeding just so your claims get more and more brazen.
Somehow EDG and SKT don't win their regions so TSM ducks them at MSI. TSM wins the tournament, "potentially the best" goes to "easily the best, worlds favorite".
They wreck NA next split as C9 completely falls apart. Nobody challenges them. Meanwhile nobody in Korea looks that great and LPL continues to be a clusterfuck. "Best in the world" becomes "One of the greatest teams ever" as worlds approaches.
Then worlds happens and they get fucking bodied.
I'm such a hater, I know, I know
I've been saying this shit since S4 Worlds where I thought they were going to lose in the finals, everyone thought that was a joke. I said SK was overhyped when everyone thought they were the best Western team going into IEM, guess what, they were overhyped. I said GE Tigers was going to get upset before IEM even started, they got upset.
Before this split started, people thought Santorin was going to be a downgrade from Amazing, I hyped him up, and so many thought teams like C9 and TL were going to be better, I'm not even that proud of this one because it was pretty ridiculous to predict any team besides TSM as number 1 in NA, but I called it.
Now, I'm not too confident that TSM is for sure the best team in the World, and going to win MSI, but I would only give EDG, SKT a chance at beating them in a Bo5, and even then, I'd still give TSM the edge.
Oh and remember those couple days when people actually thought TiP was going to beat TSM because Impact/Rush > Dyrus/Santorin? Good times.
Full credit, you called it on Santorin, and for wtv reason people still don't give him any props. Yeah he isn't asked to carry the same burden a Spirit is but he's definitely been a very good jungler.
That you're giving TSM the edge against EDG and SKT pleases me. I mean fuck it, if you thought they were gunna hang with SSW (or did you think theyd get to the finals by dodging SSW's side of the bracket?), then you cant think EDG or SKT will own them. This has to go full circle, with either TSM winning the greatest victory ever at worlds and you lording over the forum for all time, or them being smote by the mighty Asians and Montecristo and Thoorin once again feasting over their fallen corpse.
TSM better win against C9 now cuz if they don't this whole scenario becomes boring
Well I thought they would win groups and I didn't think any team besides SSW was better than them, which winning groups would have put them on the other side of the bracket.
On April 14 2015 01:39 LimpingGoat wrote: As far as rating TSM goes, they are easily a top 3 team in the World right now. Potentially the best.
Part of me wants TSM to keep succeeding just so your claims get more and more brazen.
Somehow EDG and SKT don't win their regions so TSM ducks them at MSI. TSM wins the tournament, "potentially the best" goes to "easily the best, worlds favorite".
They wreck NA next split as C9 completely falls apart. Nobody challenges them. Meanwhile nobody in Korea looks that great and LPL continues to be a clusterfuck. "Best in the world" becomes "One of the greatest teams ever" as worlds approaches.
Then worlds happens and they get fucking bodied.
I'm such a hater, I know, I know
I've been saying this shit since S4 Worlds where I thought they were going to lose in the finals, everyone thought that was a joke. I said SK was overhyped when everyone thought they were the best Western team going into IEM, guess what, they were overhyped. I said GE Tigers was going to get upset before IEM even started, they got upset.
Before this split started, people thought Santorin was going to be a downgrade from Amazing, I hyped him up, and so many thought teams like C9 and TL were going to be better, I'm not even that proud of this one because it was pretty ridiculous to predict any team besides TSM as number 1 in NA, but I called it.
Now, I'm not too confident that TSM is for sure the best team in the World, and going to win MSI, but I would only give EDG, SKT a chance at beating them in a Bo5, and even then, I'd still give TSM the edge.
Oh and remember those couple days when people actually thought TiP was going to beat TSM because Impact/Rush > Dyrus/Santorin? Good times.
Full credit, you called it on Santorin, and for wtv reason people still don't give him any props. Yeah he isn't asked to carry the same burden a Spirit is but he's definitely been a very good jungler.
That you're giving TSM the edge against EDG and SKT pleases me. I mean fuck it, if you thought they were gunna hang with SSW (or did you think theyd get to the finals by dodging SSW's side of the bracket?), then you cant think EDG or SKT will own them. This has to go full circle, with either TSM winning the greatest victory ever at worlds and you lording over the forum for all time, or them being smote by the mighty Asians and Montecristo and Thoorin once again feasting over their fallen corpse.
TSM better win against C9 now cuz if they don't this whole scenario becomes boring
Well I thought they would win groups and I didn't think any team besides SSW was better than them, which winning groups would have put them on the other side of the bracket.
On April 14 2015 01:39 LimpingGoat wrote: As far as rating TSM goes, they are easily a top 3 team in the World right now. Potentially the best.
Part of me wants TSM to keep succeeding just so your claims get more and more brazen.
Somehow EDG and SKT don't win their regions so TSM ducks them at MSI. TSM wins the tournament, "potentially the best" goes to "easily the best, worlds favorite".
They wreck NA next split as C9 completely falls apart. Nobody challenges them. Meanwhile nobody in Korea looks that great and LPL continues to be a clusterfuck. "Best in the world" becomes "One of the greatest teams ever" as worlds approaches.
Then worlds happens and they get fucking bodied.
I'm such a hater, I know, I know
I've been saying this shit since S4 Worlds where I thought they were going to lose in the finals, everyone thought that was a joke. I said SK was overhyped when everyone thought they were the best Western team going into IEM, guess what, they were overhyped. I said GE Tigers was going to get upset before IEM even started, they got upset.
Before this split started, people thought Santorin was going to be a downgrade from Amazing, I hyped him up, and so many thought teams like C9 and TL were going to be better, I'm not even that proud of this one because it was pretty ridiculous to predict any team besides TSM as number 1 in NA, but I called it.
Now, I'm not too confident that TSM is for sure the best team in the World, and going to win MSI, but I would only give EDG, SKT a chance at beating them in a Bo5, and even then, I'd still give TSM the edge.
Oh and remember those couple days when people actually thought TiP was going to beat TSM because Impact/Rush > Dyrus/Santorin? Good times.
Full credit, you called it on Santorin, and for wtv reason people still don't give him any props. Yeah he isn't asked to carry the same burden a Spirit is but he's definitely been a very good jungler.
That you're giving TSM the edge against EDG and SKT pleases me. I mean fuck it, if you thought they were gunna hang with SSW (or did you think theyd get to the finals by dodging SSW's side of the bracket?), then you cant think EDG or SKT will own them. This has to go full circle, with either TSM winning the greatest victory ever at worlds and you lording over the forum for all time, or them being smote by the mighty Asians and Montecristo and Thoorin once again feasting over their fallen corpse.
TSM better win against C9 now cuz if they don't this whole scenario becomes boring
Well I thought they would win groups and I didn't think any team besides SSW was better than them, which winning groups would have put them on the other side of the bracket.
SSB not better them? OMG? or even Najin Shield?
Dat SSB disrespect. I wish I had been more active on these forums back then
On April 14 2015 06:32 419 wrote: man this is just somehow even better than watching (american) college football fans argue which is the best conference off negligible sample sizes
On April 14 2015 01:39 LimpingGoat wrote: As far as rating TSM goes, they are easily a top 3 team in the World right now. Potentially the best.
Part of me wants TSM to keep succeeding just so your claims get more and more brazen.
Somehow EDG and SKT don't win their regions so TSM ducks them at MSI. TSM wins the tournament, "potentially the best" goes to "easily the best, worlds favorite".
They wreck NA next split as C9 completely falls apart. Nobody challenges them. Meanwhile nobody in Korea looks that great and LPL continues to be a clusterfuck. "Best in the world" becomes "One of the greatest teams ever" as worlds approaches.
Then worlds happens and they get fucking bodied.
I'm such a hater, I know, I know
I've been saying this shit since S4 Worlds where I thought they were going to lose in the finals, everyone thought that was a joke. I said SK was overhyped when everyone thought they were the best Western team going into IEM, guess what, they were overhyped. I said GE Tigers was going to get upset before IEM even started, they got upset.
Before this split started, people thought Santorin was going to be a downgrade from Amazing, I hyped him up, and so many thought teams like C9 and TL were going to be better, I'm not even that proud of this one because it was pretty ridiculous to predict any team besides TSM as number 1 in NA, but I called it.
Now, I'm not too confident that TSM is for sure the best team in the World, and going to win MSI, but I would only give EDG, SKT a chance at beating them in a Bo5, and even then, I'd still give TSM the edge.
Oh and remember those couple days when people actually thought TiP was going to beat TSM because Impact/Rush > Dyrus/Santorin? Good times.
Full credit, you called it on Santorin, and for wtv reason people still don't give him any props. Yeah he isn't asked to carry the same burden a Spirit is but he's definitely been a very good jungler.
That you're giving TSM the edge against EDG and SKT pleases me. I mean fuck it, if you thought they were gunna hang with SSW (or did you think theyd get to the finals by dodging SSW's side of the bracket?), then you cant think EDG or SKT will own them. This has to go full circle, with either TSM winning the greatest victory ever at worlds and you lording over the forum for all time, or them being smote by the mighty Asians and Montecristo and Thoorin once again feasting over their fallen corpse.
TSM better win against C9 now cuz if they don't this whole scenario becomes boring
Well I thought they would win groups and I didn't think any team besides SSW was better than them, which winning groups would have put them on the other side of the bracket.
SSB not better them? OMG? or even Najin Shield?
I would have liked to see the series between TSM and these teams, and I wouldn't write them off, but at the time I definitely would have bet on TSM.
On April 14 2015 01:39 LimpingGoat wrote: As far as rating TSM goes, they are easily a top 3 team in the World right now. Potentially the best.
Part of me wants TSM to keep succeeding just so your claims get more and more brazen.
Somehow EDG and SKT don't win their regions so TSM ducks them at MSI. TSM wins the tournament, "potentially the best" goes to "easily the best, worlds favorite".
They wreck NA next split as C9 completely falls apart. Nobody challenges them. Meanwhile nobody in Korea looks that great and LPL continues to be a clusterfuck. "Best in the world" becomes "One of the greatest teams ever" as worlds approaches.
Then worlds happens and they get fucking bodied.
I'm such a hater, I know, I know
I've been saying this shit since S4 Worlds where I thought they were going to lose in the finals, everyone thought that was a joke. I said SK was overhyped when everyone thought they were the best Western team going into IEM, guess what, they were overhyped. I said GE Tigers was going to get upset before IEM even started, they got upset.
Before this split started, people thought Santorin was going to be a downgrade from Amazing, I hyped him up, and so many thought teams like C9 and TL were going to be better, I'm not even that proud of this one because it was pretty ridiculous to predict any team besides TSM as number 1 in NA, but I called it.
Now, I'm not too confident that TSM is for sure the best team in the World, and going to win MSI, but I would only give EDG, SKT a chance at beating them in a Bo5, and even then, I'd still give TSM the edge.
Oh and remember those couple days when people actually thought TiP was going to beat TSM because Impact/Rush > Dyrus/Santorin? Good times.
Full credit, you called it on Santorin, and for wtv reason people still don't give him any props. Yeah he isn't asked to carry the same burden a Spirit is but he's definitely been a very good jungler.
That you're giving TSM the edge against EDG and SKT pleases me. I mean fuck it, if you thought they were gunna hang with SSW (or did you think theyd get to the finals by dodging SSW's side of the bracket?), then you cant think EDG or SKT will own them. This has to go full circle, with either TSM winning the greatest victory ever at worlds and you lording over the forum for all time, or them being smote by the mighty Asians and Montecristo and Thoorin once again feasting over their fallen corpse.
TSM better win against C9 now cuz if they don't this whole scenario becomes boring
Well I thought they would win groups and I didn't think any team besides SSW was better than them, which winning groups would have put them on the other side of the bracket.
SSB not better them? OMG? or even Najin Shield?
To be fair, NJS underperformed a lot during Worlds and OMG/SHRC/EDG only powered up past groups. And even EDG was just U somehow deciding he's activating super saiyan mode for Worlds.
On April 14 2015 06:32 419 wrote: man this is just like watching (american) college football fans argue which is the best conference off negligible sample sizes
Personally I made my entire judgement of the regions based upon the first match played. LPL has come up incredibly short thanks to world elite.
In all seriousness he may be a perfectly decent and serviceable support.
I just have a very hard time believing that there aren't 8 better support mains in NA that teams could be grabbing over him.
Well, when you consider that the LCS NA is pretty much just the LCS California its not entirely surprising. I mean there 5 times more people living on the Eastern Seaboard compared to the number of people living in California, but 13 current LCS players were raised in California while the Eastern Seaboard has only 2 (both strangely from Florida). I wouldn't call it too shocking if Gleeb was one of the 8 best supports in California.
It's no surprise that as you go up in tiers the average rank goes down.
On April 14 2015 01:39 LimpingGoat wrote: As far as rating TSM goes, they are easily a top 3 team in the World right now. Potentially the best.
Part of me wants TSM to keep succeeding just so your claims get more and more brazen.
Somehow EDG and SKT don't win their regions so TSM ducks them at MSI. TSM wins the tournament, "potentially the best" goes to "easily the best, worlds favorite".
They wreck NA next split as C9 completely falls apart. Nobody challenges them. Meanwhile nobody in Korea looks that great and LPL continues to be a clusterfuck. "Best in the world" becomes "One of the greatest teams ever" as worlds approaches.
Then worlds happens and they get fucking bodied.
I'm such a hater, I know, I know
I've been saying this shit since S4 Worlds where I thought they were going to lose in the finals, everyone thought that was a joke. I said SK was overhyped when everyone thought they were the best Western team going into IEM, guess what, they were overhyped. I said GE Tigers was going to get upset before IEM even started, they got upset.
Before this split started, people thought Santorin was going to be a downgrade from Amazing, I hyped him up, and so many thought teams like C9 and TL were going to be better, I'm not even that proud of this one because it was pretty ridiculous to predict any team besides TSM as number 1 in NA, but I called it.
Now, I'm not too confident that TSM is for sure the best team in the World, and going to win MSI, but I would only give EDG, SKT a chance at beating them in a Bo5, and even then, I'd still give TSM the edge.
Oh and remember those couple days when people actually thought TiP was going to beat TSM because Impact/Rush > Dyrus/Santorin? Good times.
Full credit, you called it on Santorin, and for wtv reason people still don't give him any props. Yeah he isn't asked to carry the same burden a Spirit is but he's definitely been a very good jungler.
That you're giving TSM the edge against EDG and SKT pleases me. I mean fuck it, if you thought they were gunna hang with SSW (or did you think theyd get to the finals by dodging SSW's side of the bracket?), then you cant think EDG or SKT will own them. This has to go full circle, with either TSM winning the greatest victory ever at worlds and you lording over the forum for all time, or them being smote by the mighty Asians and Montecristo and Thoorin once again feasting over their fallen corpse.
TSM better win against C9 now cuz if they don't this whole scenario becomes boring
Well I thought they would win groups and I didn't think any team besides SSW was better than them, which winning groups would have put them on the other side of the bracket.
SSB not better them? OMG? or even Najin Shield?
To be fair, NJS underperformed a lot during Worlds and OMG/SHRC/EDG only powered up past groups. And even EDG was just U somehow deciding he's activating super saiyan mode for Worlds.
To be fair NJWS were only at worlds because they massively over performed at regionals and didn't deserve to be there in the first place.
On April 14 2015 06:48 GhandiEAGLE wrote: At this point anyone getting baited by LimpingGoat deserves to be frustrated lol
i think it says a lot about tsm fans, when people can't tell the difference between a troll, and a tsm fan.
I choose to believe in the reality of LimpingGoat
But if he's a troll then I approve of the job he's doing. An amateur troll would say they believed TSM could beat SSW and then make up reasons for why that series was closer than it looked and itd be a yawnfest.
An advanced troll says that, well, TSM beat C9 3-2, and SSB only beat C9 3-1, so hey that looks pretty damn even, and TSM was playing better by worlds than they were vs C9. So ipso facto TSM = SSB, and then when you notice that TSM did better vs SSW than SSB did at worlds (forget all the other times W and B faced off) then you'll see that in fact TSM > SSB.
Thats how you troll, if it is a troll. And if its not a troll that's almost even better.
On April 14 2015 01:53 Mensol wrote: Dyrus can play toe to toe against Gogoing only in parallel universe.
Why the fuck are people so obsessed with standard lane matchups. If standard lane matchups mattered OMG wouldn't drop games to anyone except EDG
Like seriously, I know its what you experience winning you the game in solo queue, but its not the be all, end all of the League of Legends experience. Have you fuckers seen how poorly OMG drafts? They could literally lose to anyone with a competent coach. Look at this shit. http://i.imgur.com/9GPaShs.jpg Tell me this the team that did this is a good team.
On April 13 2015 19:34 skykh wrote: Vg,IG,Snake,EDG are better then tsm. Typical na overrating tsm perfomance again. They will get exposed vs teams who midlaner is equal or better then Bjergsen(faker,pawn,rookie,cool,febiven,poe,weiless...) . I mean the fact that fucking hai is 4 times in the final said enough.
(Reading comment, okay perfectly reasonable statements, this is fine, *sees list*)
WOAH THERE BUDDY, you're putting Powerofevil and Febiven on the same list as Faker, PawN and Rookie? That's like me making a list of AD Carries who are better than Steeelback and putting Deft, Imp and PraY on the same list as Cop and Doublelift. I mean I wouldn't be wrong, but its sorta, you know, jarring and disrespectful to Deft, Imp and PraY, don't you think?
Also *Hai is bad but PoE is good*
Nice meme friend
*Points to VoDs of Hai solo killing PoE at IEM.*
Err, at least OMG has all blue champions? Color coordination is worth... something.
On April 14 2015 02:01 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:51 Azarkon wrote: Your block of text
Why do you even bother comparing people across regions and saying shit like "Bjergsen would win against X, but not Y"?
There's no point in speculating when let's be real who knows what's going to happen because they haven't played each other. I mean, we saw PowerofEvil take a fucking shit all over Bjergsen out of nowhere. Anything can happen. Dade shit the bed at worlds a couple years ago when he was the worlds second best mid player.
In that case, what basis is there for stating that TSM won't ever beat EDG and SKT, after all they haven't met each other, have they? Theorycrafting is theorycrafting regardless of whether it's team vs. team / player vs. player. Observers are bound to theorycraft because it's entertaining to do, not because it's objective fact.
Having said that, such theorycrafting is not completely useless. 1v1 match ups are a lot easier to "eyeball test" than team vs. team just as mechanical differences were easy to spot in Starcraft. EU mids have shown parity with all but the very best Korean mids for years now; Bjergsen losing to PoE is surely an upset but also not completely out of the left field. Froggen and Xpeke both matched Korean mids at Worlds last year - Ggoong and Dade, respectively - and this year, Bjerg did the same at IEM vs. Coco, and I reckon so is Febiven when given the opportunity.
EU mids have been dumpstered in almost every single meetup against a CN team at internationals. Just going to leave that out there ...
Froggen, Fox, PowerOfEvil, and Febiven have never played vs. any CN mid in recent times.
Xpeke went 1-1-1 vs. Cool at All-Stars and Worlds.
Bjergsen went 2-1-0 vs. Xiye at IEM, 2-0-0 vs. Corn at Worlds. He was 40 CS up in both games at 15:00.
The match up is not in CN's favor at all.
But Pawn did beat Bjergsen at Worlds, which is why the EDG match up is in EDG's favor from the ground up.
I imagine it's going to be the same for Faker and SKT.
Not sure about Rookie, Cool, and Weiless but it's pretty safe to say they aren't underdogs.
But Bjergsen is going to have a field day vs. Corn, Baka, and Hetong.
The rest of EU mids, insofar as they are on par with Bjergsen, are going to do the same. But I personally believe PoE is a level below the rest and Froggen is slumping, so it's just Febiven, Xpeke, and Fox.
Lol, you listed like 4-5 games out of a mass pool of them. Have you conveniently forgotten that xPeke, Nukeduck got destroyed by Cool/Whit3zz??? Or that Bjergsen (and why is he even in this discussion when he's on TSM??) was ahead in cs because Corn was on a utility mage mid and Bjergsen got the straight up counterpick game 2??? And xPeke never ever beat Cool. Comparing xPeke and Corn this season is a straight up insult to Corn who's been playing 1v9 on SHRC. The haterade is strong with you to think such a lopsided statistics from games is somehow "not in CN's favor at all". You clearly don't even watch League why the hell do you bother commenting in these threads?
Just going to let the stat line drop from Fusilero anyway.
3:12. "Not in CN's favor at all".
So according to you, Corn and Cool both "won" their match ups despite having less CS and less KDA throughout the game when put besides Bjergsen and Xpeke...? What's next, Dyrus is the best off-laner alive because he tactical feeds?
Champion match up of course matters as it does in every game of this sort, but when you pick champion A and you perform worse in every way than the opponent's pick B, there is no arguing that you are the greater player. And given that all the champions discussed - from Zilean to Syndra to Zed to Orianna to Fizz - were meta champions through S4, it's not though Cool and Corn were playing off-kilter because they were experimenting.
Bjergsen is a great example of this rule. In which LCS game did Bjergsen go down 40 cs at 15:00 AND end up with a lower KDA than the opponent mid laner 30:00 into the game? Does Bjergsen only play lane bullies? Because from what I remember, even when TSM picked Zed into "counter pick" Urgot, Bjergsen was still ahead by over 40 cs at 15:00. In fact, I have a difficult time remembering a single game in which Bjergsen fell behind mid, and he played a lot of champions over the split.
Also, check Corn's OTHER match ups, not against EU mids, during S4 Worlds. He was called out consistently. Does SHRC only pick lane losers for Corn?
I don't need to be a master of League to say that the statement "CN mids have won EU mids basically every time they met" is a gross exaggeration as was shown at IEM when Xiye was hyped up to be this Chinese terror - and then got smashed by Bjergsen 3/4 games. Not that Xiye is top tier LPL but he's done his fair share there.
On April 14 2015 02:01 Lost My Will To Live wrote:
On April 14 2015 01:51 Azarkon wrote: Your block of text
Why do you even bother comparing people across regions and saying shit like "Bjergsen would win against X, but not Y"?
There's no point in speculating when let's be real who knows what's going to happen because they haven't played each other. I mean, we saw PowerofEvil take a fucking shit all over Bjergsen out of nowhere. Anything can happen. Dade shit the bed at worlds a couple years ago when he was the worlds second best mid player.
In that case, what basis is there for stating that TSM won't ever beat EDG and SKT, after all they haven't met each other, have they? Theorycrafting is theorycrafting regardless of whether it's team vs. team / player vs. player. Observers are bound to theorycraft because it's entertaining to do, not because it's objective fact.
Having said that, such theorycrafting is not completely useless. 1v1 match ups are a lot easier to "eyeball test" than team vs. team just as mechanical differences were easy to spot in Starcraft. EU mids have shown parity with all but the very best Korean mids for years now; Bjergsen losing to PoE is surely an upset but also not completely out of the left field. Froggen and Xpeke both matched Korean mids at Worlds last year - Ggoong and Dade, respectively - and this year, Bjerg did the same at IEM vs. Coco, and I reckon so is Febiven when given the opportunity.
EU mids have been dumpstered in almost every single meetup against a CN team at internationals. Just going to leave that out there ...
Froggen, Fox, PowerOfEvil, and Febiven have never played vs. any CN mid in recent times.
Xpeke went 1-1-1 vs. Cool at All-Stars and Worlds.
Bjergsen went 2-1-0 vs. Xiye at IEM, 2-0-0 vs. Corn at Worlds. He was 40 CS up in both games at 15:00.
The match up is not in CN's favor at all.
But Pawn did beat Bjergsen at Worlds, which is why the EDG match up is in EDG's favor from the ground up.
I imagine it's going to be the same for Faker and SKT.
Not sure about Rookie, Cool, and Weiless but it's pretty safe to say they aren't underdogs.
But Bjergsen is going to have a field day vs. Corn, Baka, and Hetong.
The rest of EU mids, insofar as they are on par with Bjergsen, are going to do the same. But I personally believe PoE is a level below the rest and Froggen is slumping, so it's just Febiven, Xpeke, and Fox.
Lol, you listed like 4-5 games out of a mass pool of them. Have you conveniently forgotten that xPeke, Nukeduck got destroyed by Cool/Whit3zz??? Or that Bjergsen (and why is he even in this discussion when he's on TSM??) was ahead in cs because Corn was on a utility mage mid and Bjergsen got the straight up counterpick game 2??? And xPeke never ever beat Cool. Comparing xPeke and Corn this season is a straight up insult to Corn who's been playing 1v9 on SHRC. The haterade is strong with you to think such a lopsided statistics from games is somehow "not in CN's favor at all". You clearly don't even watch League why the hell do you bother commenting in these threads?
Just going to let the stat line drop from Fusilero anyway.
3:12. "Not in CN's favor at all".
So according to you, Corn and Cool both "won" their match ups despite having less CS and less KDA throughout the game when put besides Bjergsen and Xpeke...? What's next, Dyrus is the best off-laner alive because he tactical feeds?
Champion match up of course matters as it does in every game of this sort, but when you pick champion A and you perform worse in every way than the opponent's pick B, there is no arguing that you are the greater player. And given that all the champions discussed - from Zilean to Syndra to Zed to Orianna to Fizz - were meta champions through S4, it's not though Cool and Corn were playing off-kilter because they were experimenting.
Bjergsen is a great example of this rule. In which LCS game did Bjergsen go down 40 cs at 15:00 AND end up with a lower KDA than the opponent mid laner 30:00 into the game? Does Bjergsen only play lane bullies? Because from what I remember, even when TSM picked Zed into "counter pick" Urgot, Bjergsen was still ahead by over 40 cs at 15:00. In fact, I have a difficult time remembering a single game in which Bjergsen fell behind mid, and he played a lot of champions over the split.
Also, check Corn's OTHER match ups, not against EU mids, during S4 Worlds. He was called out consistently. Does SHRC only pick lane losers for Corn?
I don't need to be a master of League to say that the statement "CN mids have won EU mids basically every time they met" is a gross exaggeration as was shown at IEM when Xiye was hyped up to be this Chinese terror - and then got smashed by Bjergsen 3/4 games. Not that Xiye is top tier LPL but he's done his fair share there.
Lol, I don't know who hyped up Xiye - last time he saw competitive play he was benched because he had the lowest kda and was definitely the worst mid laner in the LPL at the time (on WE.Academy).
Xiye got hyped by the casters which is hilarious. It was painfully obvious that he was only doing well when Spirit snowballed the shit out of him and did poorly when he was left on his own.
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