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Snake can absolutely win Worlds if given the right bracket. They're the only team that looked like they can put a good match against EDG. (Well OMG did too but no one dares predict anything about OMG atm). I don't know about CJ but I think SKT, EDG, Snake, Vici, iG, GET are all on true tier 1 Worlds play atm.
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On April 13 2015 10:34 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:23 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:18 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
TSM are a world class team already. I think they can beat any team not named SKT and EDG right now. What more could you ask for really? If you want more than that then you need the players who could be arguably best in their roles in the world. I cant believe anyone believes that. Tsm are not a contender for World Champion right now. That is my definition of world class. There are no worlds in which TSM win if it happened with this lineup at this time. I never said they were contenders? If your definition for world class is only that you can WIN the entire championship, then there are only 2 world class teams right now. There are three teams in Korea. At least three teams in China that all could win worlds. There are no teams in Eu, Na, or Taiwan that could. 3 teams from Korea and China that could win worlds. Hold on a second. I want you to picture Snake and CJ Entus winning Worlds. I think I've proven my point. We've already seen what GE can do on the international stage. Lose to an 8th place LPL team when there are huge stakes. Even if it was a bo5 and we give them the benefit of the doubt they win in 5. They still went to game 5 against an 8th place LPL team. You think TSM aren't capable of hanging with a team like that? Absolutely CJ or Snake could win worlds with a decent draw. If SKT and EDG end up on the other side of the bracket, either of those teams could reasonably show up and win a Bo5 against either of those. Not likely but definitely doable. Could TSM? Nope. Could Fnatic? Nope.
Yeah, CJ get knocked out of group stage at IEM even losing to TSM while doing so but apparently CJ way outclasses TSM.
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On April 13 2015 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:34 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:23 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:18 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
TSM are a world class team already. I think they can beat any team not named SKT and EDG right now. What more could you ask for really? If you want more than that then you need the players who could be arguably best in their roles in the world. I cant believe anyone believes that. Tsm are not a contender for World Champion right now. That is my definition of world class. There are no worlds in which TSM win if it happened with this lineup at this time. I never said they were contenders? If your definition for world class is only that you can WIN the entire championship, then there are only 2 world class teams right now. There are three teams in Korea. At least three teams in China that all could win worlds. There are no teams in Eu, Na, or Taiwan that could. 3 teams from Korea and China that could win worlds. Hold on a second. I want you to picture Snake and CJ Entus winning Worlds. I think I've proven my point. We've already seen what GE can do on the international stage. Lose to an 8th place LPL team when there are huge stakes. Even if it was a bo5 and we give them the benefit of the doubt they win in 5. They still went to game 5 against an 8th place LPL team. You think TSM aren't capable of hanging with a team like that? Absolutely CJ or Snake could win worlds with a decent draw. If SKT and EDG end up on the other side of the bracket, either of those teams could reasonably show up and win a Bo5 against either of those. Not likely but definitely doable. Could TSM? Nope. Could Fnatic? Nope. Yeah, CJ get knocked out of group stage at IEM even losing to TSM while doing so but apparently CJ way outclasses TSM.
CJ arrived like one day before the event with no time to scrim/prep and lost a few bo1's. Come on man, you know better than this >_<.
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On April 13 2015 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:34 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:23 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:18 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
TSM are a world class team already. I think they can beat any team not named SKT and EDG right now. What more could you ask for really? If you want more than that then you need the players who could be arguably best in their roles in the world. I cant believe anyone believes that. Tsm are not a contender for World Champion right now. That is my definition of world class. There are no worlds in which TSM win if it happened with this lineup at this time. I never said they were contenders? If your definition for world class is only that you can WIN the entire championship, then there are only 2 world class teams right now. There are three teams in Korea. At least three teams in China that all could win worlds. There are no teams in Eu, Na, or Taiwan that could. 3 teams from Korea and China that could win worlds. Hold on a second. I want you to picture Snake and CJ Entus winning Worlds. I think I've proven my point. We've already seen what GE can do on the international stage. Lose to an 8th place LPL team when there are huge stakes. Even if it was a bo5 and we give them the benefit of the doubt they win in 5. They still went to game 5 against an 8th place LPL team. You think TSM aren't capable of hanging with a team like that? Absolutely CJ or Snake could win worlds with a decent draw. If SKT and EDG end up on the other side of the bracket, either of those teams could reasonably show up and win a Bo5 against either of those. Not likely but definitely doable. Could TSM? Nope. Could Fnatic? Nope. Yeah, CJ get knocked out of group stage at IEM even losing to TSM while doing so but apparently CJ way outclasses TSM.
Ehhhh, I think there's merit to the jet-lag argument in that discussion. Sleep and overall general good health go a long way to improving a player's performance, even in computer games.
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On April 13 2015 10:38 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:34 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:23 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:18 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
TSM are a world class team already. I think they can beat any team not named SKT and EDG right now. What more could you ask for really? If you want more than that then you need the players who could be arguably best in their roles in the world. I cant believe anyone believes that. Tsm are not a contender for World Champion right now. That is my definition of world class. There are no worlds in which TSM win if it happened with this lineup at this time. I never said they were contenders? If your definition for world class is only that you can WIN the entire championship, then there are only 2 world class teams right now. There are three teams in Korea. At least three teams in China that all could win worlds. There are no teams in Eu, Na, or Taiwan that could. 3 teams from Korea and China that could win worlds. Hold on a second. I want you to picture Snake and CJ Entus winning Worlds. I think I've proven my point. We've already seen what GE can do on the international stage. Lose to an 8th place LPL team when there are huge stakes. Even if it was a bo5 and we give them the benefit of the doubt they win in 5. They still went to game 5 against an 8th place LPL team. You think TSM aren't capable of hanging with a team like that? Absolutely CJ or Snake could win worlds with a decent draw. If SKT and EDG end up on the other side of the bracket, either of those teams could reasonably show up and win a Bo5 against either of those. Not likely but definitely doable. Could TSM? Nope. Could Fnatic? Nope. Yeah, CJ get knocked out of group stage at IEM even losing to TSM while doing so but apparently CJ way outclasses TSM. CJ arrived like one day before the event with no time to scrim/prep and lost a few bo1's. Come on man, you know better than this >_<.
Man I wasn't kidding about the Korean apologists.
On April 13 2015 10:39 Sleight wrote:
CJ has never looked that weak before. Neither has GE. I have no doubt they would beat tsm in Bo5 On a different day. I cant explain what happened at IEM. Frankly no one can. It was insane
I like Thorin's different dimension idea
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On April 13 2015 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:34 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:23 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:18 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
TSM are a world class team already. I think they can beat any team not named SKT and EDG right now. What more could you ask for really? If you want more than that then you need the players who could be arguably best in their roles in the world. I cant believe anyone believes that. Tsm are not a contender for World Champion right now. That is my definition of world class. There are no worlds in which TSM win if it happened with this lineup at this time. I never said they were contenders? If your definition for world class is only that you can WIN the entire championship, then there are only 2 world class teams right now. There are three teams in Korea. At least three teams in China that all could win worlds. There are no teams in Eu, Na, or Taiwan that could. 3 teams from Korea and China that could win worlds. Hold on a second. I want you to picture Snake and CJ Entus winning Worlds. I think I've proven my point. We've already seen what GE can do on the international stage. Lose to an 8th place LPL team when there are huge stakes. Even if it was a bo5 and we give them the benefit of the doubt they win in 5. They still went to game 5 against an 8th place LPL team. You think TSM aren't capable of hanging with a team like that? Absolutely CJ or Snake could win worlds with a decent draw. If SKT and EDG end up on the other side of the bracket, either of those teams could reasonably show up and win a Bo5 against either of those. Not likely but definitely doable. Could TSM? Nope. Could Fnatic? Nope. Yeah, CJ get knocked out of group stage at IEM even losing to TSM while doing so but apparently CJ way outclasses TSM.
CJ has never looked that weak before. Neither has GE. I have no doubt they would beat tsm in Bo5 On a different day. I cant explain what happened at IEM. Frankly no one can. It was insane
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On April 13 2015 10:39 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:38 KissBlade wrote:On April 13 2015 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:34 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:23 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:18 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
TSM are a world class team already. I think they can beat any team not named SKT and EDG right now. What more could you ask for really? If you want more than that then you need the players who could be arguably best in their roles in the world. I cant believe anyone believes that. Tsm are not a contender for World Champion right now. That is my definition of world class. There are no worlds in which TSM win if it happened with this lineup at this time. I never said they were contenders? If your definition for world class is only that you can WIN the entire championship, then there are only 2 world class teams right now. There are three teams in Korea. At least three teams in China that all could win worlds. There are no teams in Eu, Na, or Taiwan that could. 3 teams from Korea and China that could win worlds. Hold on a second. I want you to picture Snake and CJ Entus winning Worlds. I think I've proven my point. We've already seen what GE can do on the international stage. Lose to an 8th place LPL team when there are huge stakes. Even if it was a bo5 and we give them the benefit of the doubt they win in 5. They still went to game 5 against an 8th place LPL team. You think TSM aren't capable of hanging with a team like that? Absolutely CJ or Snake could win worlds with a decent draw. If SKT and EDG end up on the other side of the bracket, either of those teams could reasonably show up and win a Bo5 against either of those. Not likely but definitely doable. Could TSM? Nope. Could Fnatic? Nope. Yeah, CJ get knocked out of group stage at IEM even losing to TSM while doing so but apparently CJ way outclasses TSM. CJ arrived like one day before the event with no time to scrim/prep and lost a few bo1's. Come on man, you know better than this >_<. Man I wasn't kidding about the Korean apologists.
Just because I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt doesn't mean I'm apologizing. Should I say that TSM is a POS because they got completely dumpstered against UoL? Or that if we're going with the bo1's at semis only for knockout, TSM would've then been out from losing the first game to YoE? I don't think CJ is necessarily stronger than TSM but I'm saying that using the IEM isn't a great idea.
v Just responded to your post with this one.
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On April 13 2015 10:38 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:34 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:23 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:18 Sleight wrote:On April 13 2015 10:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:
TSM are a world class team already. I think they can beat any team not named SKT and EDG right now. What more could you ask for really? If you want more than that then you need the players who could be arguably best in their roles in the world. I cant believe anyone believes that. Tsm are not a contender for World Champion right now. That is my definition of world class. There are no worlds in which TSM win if it happened with this lineup at this time. I never said they were contenders? If your definition for world class is only that you can WIN the entire championship, then there are only 2 world class teams right now. There are three teams in Korea. At least three teams in China that all could win worlds. There are no teams in Eu, Na, or Taiwan that could. 3 teams from Korea and China that could win worlds. Hold on a second. I want you to picture Snake and CJ Entus winning Worlds. I think I've proven my point. We've already seen what GE can do on the international stage. Lose to an 8th place LPL team when there are huge stakes. Even if it was a bo5 and we give them the benefit of the doubt they win in 5. They still went to game 5 against an 8th place LPL team. You think TSM aren't capable of hanging with a team like that? Absolutely CJ or Snake could win worlds with a decent draw. If SKT and EDG end up on the other side of the bracket, either of those teams could reasonably show up and win a Bo5 against either of those. Not likely but definitely doable. Could TSM? Nope. Could Fnatic? Nope. Yeah, CJ get knocked out of group stage at IEM even losing to TSM while doing so but apparently CJ way outclasses TSM. CJ arrived like one day before the event with no time to scrim/prep and lost a few bo1's. Come on man, you know better than this >_<.
And TSM won a few bo1s and also a bo3 and bo5. But they're worse? What has CJ done at all the last two years?
KT is a better team than CJ right now lmao I actually don't think CJ will be at Worlds this year.
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Hmm. All seems to be going as expected-TSM and C9 against each other, like the good ole days :>
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Why does everyone say turtle is bad? I don't get it
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I enjoy the idea of CJ entus having a legit shot at worlds because the prospect of motherfucking world champions space and ambition jungle is amazing
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TBh, just going to vent that this weekend's playoffs were so aggravating to watch.
With the exception of Fnatic and the indifference to TSM-TiP, every other match went the opposite way.
Royal doesn't make playoffs, TL drops a potential 3-0 close on C9, SK loses to fcking UoL. If WE beats EDG, I'm going to watch Smite or something =\.
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On April 13 2015 10:50 KissBlade wrote:
TBh, just going to vent that this weekend's playoffs were so aggravating to watch.
With the exception of Fnatic and the indifference to TSM-TiP, every other match went the opposite way.
Royal doesn't make playoffs, TL drops a potential 3-0 close on C9, SK loses to fcking UoL. If WE beats EDG, I'm going to watch Smite or something =\.
upsets are fun it means there's still some sort of parity. Idk why people would be mad about SK, I like seeing the team with more than one playstyle beat teams like SK. If WE beats EDG I will laugh so fucking hard but it won't happen lol
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On April 13 2015 10:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
Why does everyone say turtle is bad? I don't get it
Because objective stats don't matter. Only the eye-test.
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On April 13 2015 10:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
Why does everyone say turtle is bad? I don't get it
he was losing on farm basically every game and his positioning has been bad since forever. right now tsm is bjerg/santorin/lustboy controlling vision and then getting picks, the other 2 members are irrelevant.
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TSM this year > TSM last year.
SKT and EDG both < SSW last year.
Saying TSM has absolutely 0% shot of beating those teams is inane.
Bjergsen said it himself.
This is the best TSM has ever been.
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On April 13 2015 10:54 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
Why does everyone say turtle is bad? I don't get it Because objective stats don't matter. Only the eye-test.
wildturtle had a better kda than Sneaky did, i guess he's just objectively the better player right?
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On April 13 2015 10:54 Azarkon wrote:
TSM this year > TSM last year.
SKT and EDG both < SSW last year.
Saying TSM has absolutely 0% shot of beating those teams is inane.
Bjergsen said it himself.
This is the best TSM has ever been.
They have no chance of winning a Bo5 against either of those team. TSM also had no chance of beating SSW last year in a Bo5
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So what you're saying is TSM had just as much of a chance of beating SSW as any other team in the world did.
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On April 13 2015 10:57 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:54 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 10:47 ticklishmusic wrote:
Why does everyone say turtle is bad? I don't get it Because objective stats don't matter. Only the eye-test. wildturtle had a better kda than Sneaky did, i guess he's just objectively the better player right?
Goddamn you are saltier than the Dead Sea.
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