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dyrus just needs to be somewhat tanky and be there in teamfights and tsm will win because of them having better vision control/bjerg being ahead.
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On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching?
Holy shit do people still just look at KDA rather than the performance of the player and their decision making? There's pretty much no point explaining anything at this point if the only thing that matters to people is their fantasy league scores. If you watched the series, watched the early game, and can't wrap your head around the different positions impact and dyrus were put into, and also accounting for how dominant the TSM team was as a whole, then you'll simply think that the best team has the best 5 players in every role.
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On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching?
TSM won 3 out of 4 games.
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On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching?
I was watching a game where 4 guys hard carried 1 feeder, while 1 guy couldn't carry 4 feeders. I wonder why Dyrus did seemingly better lomo.
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On April 13 2015 09:53 Sunaj wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching? I was watching a game where 4 guys hard carried 1 feeder, while 1 guy couldn't carry 4 feeders. I wonder why Dyrus did better lomo.
Dyrus hardly fed outside of game 1 and 2. Impact was given the tools to carry and couldn't do it, Dyrus went even or slightly behind in game 3 and 4 in a matchup that everyone said would be him getting dumpstered. Korean apologist so strong even in NA LCS results
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On April 13 2015 09:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching? Holy shit do people still just look at KDA rather than the performance of the player and their decision making? There's pretty much no point explaining anything at this point if the only thing that matters to people is their fantasy league scores.
How else do you measure a players impact on the game outside of the gold they generate and how they play during skirmishes and teamfights? Dyrus was objectively better in 3 out of 4 games, despite bad early games. But this is something we've known about Dyrus all season. He's going to usually have a weak early game (and only because he's so heavily targeted compared to any other PLAYER in the game), then come back and help his team win games anyway.
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What exactly did you guys expect Dyrus to do differently?
TIL when your team picks you Lulu and Maokai you are supposed to hard carry. lol.
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On April 13 2015 09:55 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching? Holy shit do people still just look at KDA rather than the performance of the player and their decision making? There's pretty much no point explaining anything at this point if the only thing that matters to people is their fantasy league scores. How else do you measure a players impact on the game outside of the gold they generate and how they play during skirmishes and teamfights? Dyrus was objectively better in 3 out of 4 games, despite bad early games. But this is something we've known about Dyrus all season. He's going to usually have a weak early game (and only because he's so heavily targeted compared to any other PLAYER in the game), then come back and help his team win games anyway.
More like he has a weak early game and then gets carried by the other 3 members (turtle is bad too not gonna count him)
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On April 13 2015 09:56 iCanada wrote:
What exactly did you guys expect Dyrus to do differently?
TIL when your team picks you Lulu and Maokai you are supposed to hard carry. lol.
Dyrus did his job better.
And honestly, this series was hardly carried by Bjergsen. TSM was just better strategically in the mid/late game.
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On April 13 2015 09:54 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:53 Sunaj wrote:On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching? I was watching a game where 4 guys hard carried 1 feeder, while 1 guy couldn't carry 4 feeders. I wonder why Dyrus did better lomo. Dyrus hardly fed outside of game 1 and 2. Impact was given the tools to carry and couldn't do it, Dyrus went even or slightly behind in game 3 and 4 in a matchup that everyone said would be him getting dumpstered. Korean apologist so strong even in NA LCS results
Lmao I love these people who didn't watch the games like at all. What matchup? Did you not see that Dyrus had lane swaps in both games with very good matchups because Adrian left lane early on? After that all he had to do was farm up but somehow he managed to give up a solo kill in the sion game. Both those games were dictated much more by Lustboy and Santorin's executioin in the lane swap against Rush's jungle. He was left to 1v1 in both games whereas Impact had to deal with Lustboy + Santorin as well as his jungler being behind at level 1.
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On April 13 2015 09:56 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:55 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching? Holy shit do people still just look at KDA rather than the performance of the player and their decision making? There's pretty much no point explaining anything at this point if the only thing that matters to people is their fantasy league scores. How else do you measure a players impact on the game outside of the gold they generate and how they play during skirmishes and teamfights? Dyrus was objectively better in 3 out of 4 games, despite bad early games. But this is something we've known about Dyrus all season. He's going to usually have a weak early game (and only because he's so heavily targeted compared to any other PLAYER in the game), then come back and help his team win games anyway. More like he has a weak early game and then gets carried by the other 3 members (turtle is bad too not gonna count him)
But target Dyrus and auto-win against TSM amirite?
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Bjergsen destroyed XWX less than I thought he was going to but Santorin outplayed Rush 3/4 games. Dyrus is the weakest link but not by a great amount. He's competent and has great chemistry with the rest of the team so there's no *need* to replace him. In any case the biggest test of TSM is coming up in MSI. I personally think they are that one Western team in every eSport that's capable of standing up to the best Asian teams so that ought to show at MSI.
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While I think Dyrus is okay, using KDA to justify that is extremely dumb. The team that wins is guaranteed more gold, and KDA in 95% of games. That's why that team ended up winning...
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On April 13 2015 10:00 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:56 IMoperator wrote:On April 13 2015 09:55 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching? Holy shit do people still just look at KDA rather than the performance of the player and their decision making? There's pretty much no point explaining anything at this point if the only thing that matters to people is their fantasy league scores. How else do you measure a players impact on the game outside of the gold they generate and how they play during skirmishes and teamfights? Dyrus was objectively better in 3 out of 4 games, despite bad early games. But this is something we've known about Dyrus all season. He's going to usually have a weak early game (and only because he's so heavily targeted compared to any other PLAYER in the game), then come back and help his team win games anyway. More like he has a weak early game and then gets carried by the other 3 members (turtle is bad too not gonna count him) But target Dyrus and auto-win against TSM amirite?
They didn't target Dyrus at all because they couldn't. They went for lane swaps but because Adrian went to roam both games to help out their incredibly weak jungler they accomplished nothing from it. Almost 100% of the time if your support swaps lanes you are going to lose the early game. Or perhaps it was a sign that they were losing to begin with before the swap ever happened and that's why they decided to switch the support onto the other side.
Adrian played really poorly these games and his champion pool really hurt their early game.
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On April 13 2015 09:58 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:54 las91 wrote:On April 13 2015 09:53 Sunaj wrote:On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching? I was watching a game where 4 guys hard carried 1 feeder, while 1 guy couldn't carry 4 feeders. I wonder why Dyrus did better lomo. Dyrus hardly fed outside of game 1 and 2. Impact was given the tools to carry and couldn't do it, Dyrus went even or slightly behind in game 3 and 4 in a matchup that everyone said would be him getting dumpstered. Korean apologist so strong even in NA LCS results Lmao I love these people who didn't watch the games like at all. What matchup? Did you not see that Dyrus had lane swaps in both games with very good matchups because Adrian left lane early on? After that all he had to do was farm up but somehow he managed to give up a solo kill in the sion game. Both those games were dictated much more by Lustboy and Santorin's executioin in the lane swap against Rush's jungle.
Sure, but Dyrus always had the wave pushing towards Impact anytime there was a big fight, and he also pinned all the gold from TiP with him in the top lane in all 4 games.
He wasn't playing a champion who was supposed to have lane dominance or be a large threat. He was put on champions intended to play supporting roles, and did that exactly. That was TSM's strategy... Dyrus absorbs pressure on a support champ and holds Impact in lane with him so they could victimize Rushes overaggression on the rest of the map.
He did his job.
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On April 13 2015 10:04 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:58 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:54 las91 wrote:On April 13 2015 09:53 Sunaj wrote:On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching? I was watching a game where 4 guys hard carried 1 feeder, while 1 guy couldn't carry 4 feeders. I wonder why Dyrus did better lomo. Dyrus hardly fed outside of game 1 and 2. Impact was given the tools to carry and couldn't do it, Dyrus went even or slightly behind in game 3 and 4 in a matchup that everyone said would be him getting dumpstered. Korean apologist so strong even in NA LCS results Lmao I love these people who didn't watch the games like at all. What matchup? Did you not see that Dyrus had lane swaps in both games with very good matchups because Adrian left lane early on? After that all he had to do was farm up but somehow he managed to give up a solo kill in the sion game. Both those games were dictated much more by Lustboy and Santorin's executioin in the lane swap against Rush's jungle. Sure, but Dyrus always had the wave pushing towards Impact anytime there was a big fight, and he also pinned all the gold from TiP with him in the top lane in all 4 games. He wasn't playing a champion who was supposed to have lane dominance or be a large threat. He was put on champions intended to play supporting roles, and did that exactly. That was TSM's strategy... Dyrus absorbs pressure on a support champ and holds Impact in lane with him so they could victimize Rushes overaggression on the rest of the map. He did his job.
And many people could have done it better.
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I'm so disappointed by Rush's performance. flashing to snowball, running after kills instead of peeling for his carrys...
I really didn't think he was that dumb. And I will never understand why play nunu 3 games why everybody realised after the 1st one that it didn't fited his style. That's straight up retarded.
So disappointed... 
GG TSM for being the better team that series, and Lust + Santorin played really well, impressed by Santorin.
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On April 13 2015 10:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:04 iCanada wrote:On April 13 2015 09:58 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:54 las91 wrote:On April 13 2015 09:53 Sunaj wrote:On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:
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They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching? I was watching a game where 4 guys hard carried 1 feeder, while 1 guy couldn't carry 4 feeders. I wonder why Dyrus did better lomo. Dyrus hardly fed outside of game 1 and 2. Impact was given the tools to carry and couldn't do it, Dyrus went even or slightly behind in game 3 and 4 in a matchup that everyone said would be him getting dumpstered. Korean apologist so strong even in NA LCS results Lmao I love these people who didn't watch the games like at all. What matchup? Did you not see that Dyrus had lane swaps in both games with very good matchups because Adrian left lane early on? After that all he had to do was farm up but somehow he managed to give up a solo kill in the sion game. Both those games were dictated much more by Lustboy and Santorin's executioin in the lane swap against Rush's jungle. Sure, but Dyrus always had the wave pushing towards Impact anytime there was a big fight, and he also pinned all the gold from TiP with him in the top lane in all 4 games. He wasn't playing a champion who was supposed to have lane dominance or be a large threat. He was put on champions intended to play supporting roles, and did that exactly. That was TSM's strategy... Dyrus absorbs pressure on a support champ and holds Impact in lane with him so they could victimize Rushes overaggression on the rest of the map. He did his job. And many people could have done it better.
Like who? Certainly not Impact this series.
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On April 13 2015 10:05 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 10:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 10:04 iCanada wrote:On April 13 2015 09:58 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:54 las91 wrote:On April 13 2015 09:53 Sunaj wrote:On April 13 2015 09:49 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
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Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14. Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching? I was watching a game where 4 guys hard carried 1 feeder, while 1 guy couldn't carry 4 feeders. I wonder why Dyrus did better lomo. Dyrus hardly fed outside of game 1 and 2. Impact was given the tools to carry and couldn't do it, Dyrus went even or slightly behind in game 3 and 4 in a matchup that everyone said would be him getting dumpstered. Korean apologist so strong even in NA LCS results Lmao I love these people who didn't watch the games like at all. What matchup? Did you not see that Dyrus had lane swaps in both games with very good matchups because Adrian left lane early on? After that all he had to do was farm up but somehow he managed to give up a solo kill in the sion game. Both those games were dictated much more by Lustboy and Santorin's executioin in the lane swap against Rush's jungle. Sure, but Dyrus always had the wave pushing towards Impact anytime there was a big fight, and he also pinned all the gold from TiP with him in the top lane in all 4 games. He wasn't playing a champion who was supposed to have lane dominance or be a large threat. He was put on champions intended to play supporting roles, and did that exactly. That was TSM's strategy... Dyrus absorbs pressure on a support champ and holds Impact in lane with him so they could victimize Rushes overaggression on the rest of the map. He did his job. And many people could have done it better. Like who? Certainly not Impact this series.
Do you really think if Impact was on TSM he would have performed worse than Dyrus?
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