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On April 13 2015 09:31 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:31 IMoperator wrote:
lol why is dyrus happy he got shit on Not hard enough. Impact didn't really achieve anything in all 4 games. I think that means Dyrus wins.
The games were won off Lustboy and Santorin and TSM's laneswaps. Has nothing to do with individual performance after that really. TSM just knows how to play the early game better. Rush made some bone headed plays though, especially game 3 where he had a great start and threw it away by being greedy for the gromp. Dyrus really didn't do anything this series at all.
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And for the fourth split in a row GGU is the only team that's not C9/TSM to make the finals. The legend of nintendude and jintae live on
That moment when you realize mashme is the only ADC that isn't wildturtle/sneaky to play in NA LCS finals
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The only game that I would consider "close" was game 2. Every other game was settled at p/b in favor of the team that won.
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On April 13 2015 09:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The only game that I would consider "close" was game 2. Every other game was settled at p/b in favor of the team that won.
Game 4 was completely winnable by TiP then Rush decided to go full feeder mode on Nunu.
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On April 13 2015 09:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The only game that I would consider "close" was game 2. Every other game was settled at p/b in favor of the team that won.
The juggermaw comp could have won, it was just played atrociously. In theory a Kog could have had a decent time staying safe from what TSM was running.
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On April 13 2015 09:35 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The only game that I would consider "close" was game 2. Every other game was settled at p/b in favor of the team that won. Game 4 was completely winnable by TiP then Rush decided to go full feeder mode on Nunu.
Nah dawg, nunu needs the golds! Get has to flash for the kills! Nunu es numbero uno diver.
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On April 13 2015 09:31 IMoperator wrote:
lol why is dyrus happy he got shit on
Ya, but tried and true TSM counter, amirite?
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On April 13 2015 09:36 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:35 las91 wrote:On April 13 2015 09:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The only game that I would consider "close" was game 2. Every other game was settled at p/b in favor of the team that won. Game 4 was completely winnable by TiP then Rush decided to go full feeder mode on Nunu. Nah dawg, nunu needs the golds! Get has to flash for the kills! Nunu es numbero uno diver.
I've always thought Rush was overrated and 1 dimensional, this series finally exposed it
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On April 13 2015 09:36 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:35 las91 wrote:On April 13 2015 09:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The only game that I would consider "close" was game 2. Every other game was settled at p/b in favor of the team that won. Game 4 was completely winnable by TiP then Rush decided to go full feeder mode on Nunu. Nah dawg, nunu needs the golds! Get has to flash for the kills! Nunu es numbero uno diver.
That the Yeti is able to bite the fuck out of minions but mystically loses that power against champions is some bullshit
RITO PLS
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On April 13 2015 09:37 MajorityofOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:36 iCanada wrote:On April 13 2015 09:35 las91 wrote:On April 13 2015 09:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The only game that I would consider "close" was game 2. Every other game was settled at p/b in favor of the team that won. Game 4 was completely winnable by TiP then Rush decided to go full feeder mode on Nunu. Nah dawg, nunu needs the golds! Get has to flash for the kills! Nunu es numbero uno diver. That the Yeti is able to bite the fuck out of minions but mystically loses that power against champions is some bullshit RITO PLS
Rush to used to smiting champions, thought he could consume em too. :D
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On April 13 2015 09:36 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:35 las91 wrote:On April 13 2015 09:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The only game that I would consider "close" was game 2. Every other game was settled at p/b in favor of the team that won. Game 4 was completely winnable by TiP then Rush decided to go full feeder mode on Nunu. Nah dawg, nunu needs the golds! Get has to flash for the kills! Nunu es numbero uno diver.
I've always wondered what insec playing nunu would look like, I assume it's that except he'd actually go full AP
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On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner.
They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost.
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On April 13 2015 09:38 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:36 iCanada wrote:On April 13 2015 09:35 las91 wrote:On April 13 2015 09:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The only game that I would consider "close" was game 2. Every other game was settled at p/b in favor of the team that won. Game 4 was completely winnable by TiP then Rush decided to go full feeder mode on Nunu. Nah dawg, nunu needs the golds! Get has to flash for the kills! Nunu es numbero uno diver. I've always wondered what insec playing nunu would look like, I assume it's that except he'd actually go full AP
AP nunu actually hurts though. LOL.
On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost.
Dyrus is actually pretty important to TSM. Dude gets shafted as far as laneswaps and lane pressure. He gets thrown to the wolves and put in a support role consistently. Dont get me wrong, Bjergson is awesome and should be getting the pressure because he can carry, but a lot of top laners cannot deal with being shafted like that game in and game out.
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On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:31 iCanada wrote:On April 13 2015 09:31 IMoperator wrote:
lol why is dyrus happy he got shit on Not hard enough. Impact didn't really achieve anything in all 4 games. I think that means Dyrus wins. I dunno what else Impact could really do with how sketchy the rest of the team was. But yeah, Dyrus played so well. Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner.
I think that would be a risky decision to make.
One of the HUGE advantages of having a guy like Dyrus on the team is that even after his terrible early games, he keeps his head on straight and still impacts the mid-late game, with some very rare exceptions.
The fact that teams continue to target him also allows TSM to place pressure across the map, most commonly in mid lane, which gets Bjergsen going. Having a "real" top laner that goes on tilt when he's as heavily targeted as Dyrus is could change the dynamics of their games and weaken the team.
This is just game theory at this point, but I think Dyrus isn't just fine being kept on the team, but I think he's actually VERY important to their team's consistent success.
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On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost.
Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same.
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On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same.
What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better?
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On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better?
Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok. Dyrus actually had 0 pressure on him the entire series but still performed pretty poorly given their circumstances. He had all the right tools to succeed but didn't really do anything with it.
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On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok.
How was Dyrus not relevant in fights?
Did you expect a Triple kill from Lulu / Maokai / Sion? He peeled well, he soaked damage well, he did his job.
He derped a couple of times, but Dyrus didn't really do anything poorly. He did his job.
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On April 13 2015 09:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2015 09:42 Nemireck wrote:On April 13 2015 09:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 13 2015 09:38 zer0das wrote:On April 13 2015 09:33 Sunaj wrote:Seriously, if TSM is like this now, imagine if they ever actually got a real toplaner. They'd probably do worse because most tops aren't used to getting abused as badly as Dyrus on a game by game basis and never having priority in anything. Imagine Zion on TSM, he'd be so lost. Zion isn't the right choice, but there are many better support/utility top laners than Dyrus. Look at what Impact managed to accomplish this series despite getting almost no pressure and terrible lane matchups. Impact was the original and better version of Dyrus. Quas is also the same. What did Impact achieve that Dyrus didn't do, but better? Uh, staying relevant in the game despite a fucked up lane swaps and jungle routes? Whereas if Dyrus is put into the same situation he just goes 0-3 and is out of the game basically. Watch the kennen game. TIP should have lost that game in 20 minutes as well but Impact brought them back with a great teleport. Dyrus gets too much credit because they end up winning in the end so it's all ok.
How do you figure that Impact stayed relevant in any of those games after Game 1? Look at the Kennen game? Impact was 2/3/2 to Dyrus's 0/2/14.
Dyrus had more gold and a higher KDA in 3 out of 4 games, played a much more impactful role in mid and late-game teamfights as well. What games were you watching?
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