EPT[LPL] Spring 2015 - Page 121
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Buonomo
Canada84 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:25 Azarkon wrote: Eh, King was hyped up higher than Snake going into the split. Hindsight is 20/20 especially when you consider how the communication issues were said to be a huge variable for how well these teams are going to perform. Besides, just the fact that practically every successful LPL and LSPL team imported 2/5 Koreans says a lot in and of itself. China shouldn't really need Korean players. Smaller regions like California and South East Asia would be the ones where Korean imports make sense. What the Chinese need are Korean coaches. Look at NoFe. He essentially takes a team of 3 nobodies, a washed up ADC and Gorilla and turns them into one of the best teams in Korea. If China had people like that they could easily be the strongest region. Instead they have OMG. Edit: there's another Trist pick nice also if they were able to play the Gragas why didn't they run it last game | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:28 AlterKot wrote: Actually it turns out we're back to #FreeCloud except I want him free of OMG shitters and put in a good team now. I still remember the exact moment I lost faith in OMG. It was game one of the second round vs snake, uzi was iirc 3-0 on kalista vs snake's poke composition with xerath and nidalee. Cool was at around half health with no flash vs baka's xerath with everything up. So what did lovelin do? He ganked for uzi again, the moment lovelin showed himself baka flashed in and killed cool. At that point I gave up and accepted the sweet and tender embrace of our glorious Korean overlords. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:25 Azarkon wrote: Eh, King was hyped up higher than Snake going into the split. Hindsight is 20/20 especially when you consider how the communication issues were said to be a huge variable for how well these teams are going to perform. Besides, just the fact that all the successful LPL and LSPL teams imported 2/5 Koreans says a lot in and of itself. Now we just have to see whether the Korea Koreans are still able to monopolize these 2/5 teams. In theory, the exodus ought to have weakened them a lot, and we ought to see other regions be competitive eg what we saw at IEM. But in the event that SKT, CJ, etc. still end up roflstomping through MSI and Worlds, then League outside of Korea is literally hopeless. King was hyped up based on their performance in G-League, which anyone who watched previous seasons should know is absolutely meaningless because of how little any of the real teams care. The King hype died in like the first 2 weeks of round robin lol. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
I anti-fan King cause the fucker broke my heart :'( | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:36 TheYango wrote: King was hyped up based on their performance in G-League, which anyone who watched previous seasons should know is absolutely meaningless because of how little any of the real teams care. The King hype died in like the first 2 weeks of round robin lol. And thus we are brought full circle to what we were arguing about in the EDG thread. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Wuxin played with my heart by getting hyped up as the best ADC in China and has a name that abbreviates to Wx. I anti-fan King cause the fucker broke my heart :'( At least he can play vayne, as it turns out that's about it but yeah that vayne. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
I should've realized something was up when OMG gets knocked out by a LSPL team. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:32 Buonomo wrote: China shouldn't really need Korean players. Smaller regions like California and South East Asia would be the ones where Korean imports make sense. What the Chinese need are Korean coaches. Look at NoFe. He essentially takes a team of 3 nobodies, a washed up ADC and Gorilla and turns them into one of the best teams in Korea. If China had people like that they could easily be the strongest region. Instead they have OMG. Eh, in theory they also don't need to import Korean coaches, because how difficult is it to find competent management when your sponsors are willing to pay millions? Not to mention, how effective are Korean coaches for teams of five Chinese players, when they don't even speak the language and has to go through a translator? In theory, China ought to not import at all. But theory, in this case, fails to account for practical results. It became obvious around the time of S3 that the Chinese scene was not holding up vs. the Korean scene and then with SHRC's success in S4 and the perfect storm of LCK moving to eliminate sister teams, it's understandable why they chose to do so. In fact, the same argument exists in other regions. In theory Europe doesn't need to import at all, yet Fnatic w/2 Koreans is in the finals and all EU teams failed to make it out of groups at Worlds. | ||
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Buonomo
Canada84 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:44 KissBlade wrote: So I couldn't find EDG's logo on favorite team so time for me to return to the legacy of Boxer now that that's happened. WTF, OMG looks so much worse since they got Uzi than before ... I should've realized something was up when OMG gets knocked out by a LSPL team. On April 18 2015 03:45 Ansibled wrote: OMG is better with San than Uzi. Not enough open side lanes. Riot just needs to add 6 more side lanes and OMG needs to get Forg1ven to play jungle and Double to play support and they can win worlds no problem. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:49 Buonomo wrote: Not enough open side lanes. Riot just needs to add 6 more side lanes and OMG needs to get Forg1ven to play jungle and Double to play support and they can win worlds no problem. If forgiven and uzi were on the same team I'm pretty sure the moment one takes CS from another there will be a punch up | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:50 Fusilero wrote: Looks boys let's just face the truth, we starcraft now. LoL daed gaem incoming, everyone to CS:GO until Korea takes over there. Fortunately I'm a Dota fan and Koreans look as though they're never going to take over there, though that's mainly because they're too busy playing LoL. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:50 Fusilero wrote: Looks boys let's just face the truth, we starcraft now. LoL daed gaem incoming, everyone to CS:GO until Korea takes over there. If forgiven and uzi were on the same team I'm pretty sure the moment one takes CS from another there will be a punch up I mean, ge dropping series to we.... That's more suspicious than the whole pinnacle bet refund.... | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:51 Azarkon wrote: Fortunately I'm a Dota fan and Koreans look as though they're never going to take over there, though that's mainly because they're too busy playing LoL. Once LoL becomes daed gaem they will move on, they'll come for you. Nobody can outrun the kespa infrastructure forever | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:53 Fusilero wrote: Once LoL becomes daed gaem they will move on, they'll come for you. Nobody can outrun the kespa infrastructure forever I'm banking on them migrating to that casual Blizzard game cause, you know, Koreans and Blizzard have that love-hate affair. | ||
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Buonomo
Canada84 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:49 Azarkon wrote: Eh, in theory they also don't need to import Korean coaches, because how difficult is it to find competent management when your sponsors are willing to pay millions? Not to mention, how effective are Korean coaches for teams of five Chinese players, when they don't even speak the language and has to go through a translator? In theory, China ought to not import at all. But theory, in this case, fails to account for practical results. It became obvious around the time of S3 that the Chinese scene was not holding up vs. the Korean scene and then with SHRC's success in S4 and the perfect storm of LCK moving to eliminate sister teams, it's understandable why they chose to do so. In fact, the same argument exists in other regions. In theory Europe doesn't need to import at all, yet Fnatic w/2 Koreans is in the finals and all EU teams failed to make it out of groups at Worlds. Fnatic and SK are the only teams in Europe with a halfway competent support structure. Thats why they keep making the finals, not because of the calibre of their players. You couldn't just throw Huni and Reignover on, like, CW and expect them to succeed. Europe shouldn't have to pull from other regions, but then Europe shouldn't have to field 11 LCS level teams, and they had Origen in the Challenger series this split, not to mention players like Dexter, Tabbzz and Zoro just sitting around doing nothing. Fnatic could have easily fielded an all EU roster this split and done pretty well IMO. It comes back to support staff. You need Korean level infrastructure to compete with Korea and no one has that. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:35 Fusilero wrote: I still remember the exact moment I lost faith in OMG. It was game one of the second round vs snake, uzi was iirc 3-0 on kalista vs snake's poke composition with xerath and nidalee. Cool was at around half health with no flash vs baka's xerath with everything up. So what did lovelin do? He ganked for uzi again, the moment lovelin showed himself baka flashed in and killed cool. At that point I gave up and accepted the sweet and tender embrace of our glorious Korean overlords. There are several teams I wish I could experience that with one day. Also Overwatch will be the even ground because white people can't into mobas but koreans can't into shooters :> | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:52 wei2coolman wrote: I mean, ge dropping series to we.... That's more suspicious than the whole pinnacle bet refund.... what pinnacle refund? I think I missed that. | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
On April 18 2015 03:50 Fusilero wrote: Looks boys let's just face the truth, we starcraft now. LoL daed gaem incoming, everyone to CS:GO until Korea takes over there. Aside: I know that you're saying this as a joke, but the way some people say this seriously on reddit bugs me. It's like... "Oh, we're not the best at this game anymore. How do we respond?" Fight or flight response prompt comes up. "Fleeing it is" And the mentality suggests that it's just going to keep on repeating until there are no more competitive games left, as the notion of western e-sports gets cornered, has to decide between struggle or surrender, and opts to.... roll over and die. It's just a very defeatist attitude. That, and the 'people who only have interest in something because (some group they identify with) are good at it' angle bother me at some level. | ||
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