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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
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heartlxp
United States1258 Posts
On September 24 2014 08:26 Shiznick wrote: I'm a huge Balls fanboy, and I think it's tough to say he's definitively better. He hasn't shown the strongest performance this season. The botlanes are probably equal, I think pretty highly of Sneaky. I'd say Froggen is a tier above Hai. C9 vs Alliance should be a good match. ye this is probably the best match coming outta groups | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
lol wtf is with this line: "Now that Alliance has achieved their initial goal of qualifying for the 2014 World Championships, Froggen and his team can focus solely on the titans ahead of them. Najin White Sword represents the only real threat to Alliance during group stage, though Cloud 9 and KaBuM! e-Sports lurk as dark horse opponents." C9 a dark horse opponent? lol please. they're even with Alliance at least. also they said sword instead of shield. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On September 24 2014 11:37 heartlxp wrote: ye this is probably the best match coming outta groups Yep. I'm really hype for the match. Hoping to see Shook/Tabzz get on a higher level than they normally do, they'll have to vs SneakyLemon & Meteos (even though Meteos hasn't been as dominant as he used to either). Though Hai can be a bottleneck, we've seen that before. C9 tends to win games where Hai does well and lose games where Hai doesn't. And Froggen can be dominant in lane, we've seen that before. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 24 2014 15:06 IMoperator wrote: http://ggchronicle.com/season-four-world-championship-preview-alliance/?boxer=true lol wtf is with this line: "Now that Alliance has achieved their initial goal of qualifying for the 2014 World Championships, Froggen and his team can focus solely on the titans ahead of them. Najin White Sword represents the only real threat to Alliance during group stage, though Cloud 9 and KaBuM! e-Sports lurk as dark horse opponents." C9 a dark horse opponent? lol please. they're even with Alliance at least. also they said sword instead of shield. Alliance is the favourite.Hai had a grand total of 1champion in his pool and c9 lost because of it.We have no way of knowing if this is fixed.I did watch him get challenger and he did not look impressive at all. If hai has his champ pool fixed the games are 50/50 definitely. | ||
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skykh
3006 Posts
On September 24 2014 15:06 IMoperator wrote: http://ggchronicle.com/season-four-world-championship-preview-alliance/?boxer=true lol wtf is with this line: "Now that Alliance has achieved their initial goal of qualifying for the 2014 World Championships, Froggen and his team can focus solely on the titans ahead of them. Najin White Sword represents the only real threat to Alliance during group stage, though Cloud 9 and KaBuM! e-Sports lurk as dark horse opponents." C9 a dark horse opponent? lol please. they're even with Alliance at least. also they said sword instead of shield. Maybe cause c9 getting beat by that "certain european team" all the time in important events. And the "certain european team" getting shit by Alliance? | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Even freaking choker Shook carried hardcore last finals against Fnatic. It's not like SneakyLemon is some kind of untouchable lane, Meteos is God of jungling and Balls is going to have Rumblings. And if it's true what i did just say, then Froggen will take over those games easily, because it's not Hai level at all. | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
When Bjergsen was in EU, he would answer the question of best mid in EU, with sth along the lines of, I like to play xpeke the most, later then in season 3 he said Nukeduck, cause of assassin meta. He prob always thought he was the best himself, but at this point in his career this would have been a cocky statement, so he phrased it like that. According to LS the samsung mids called him average, like nothing special. LS said he thought this was meant as a compliment. Like average for korean standards, but not on the level of the top top korean mids. But not really praises either. The toxic mid group of Incarnation, Nukeduck and Febiven also dont think very highly of him. When I was watching Febiven's stream they all were in ts chatting while playing. And they kinda laughed at people always asking them how is it to lane against Froggen. The vibe I got they all seem to think that his laning is really not that great at all and that they are better than him. Ofc we all know that Froggen's biggest strength is not laning, but teamfights and maybe that is the reason other mids dont think so highely of him. I mean the impression you get in 1on1 laning weighs way more in your personal experience than teamfights. But like I said I'm really curious how he will perform. He is also untested in international competition for a long time. I think both eu-na matchups are almost 50-50 with a very slight edge for eu, just based on better historical perfomance. | ||
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St3MoR
Spain3256 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 24 2014 19:05 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It just baffles me, that people are still blindly hyping Rekkles when Tabzz overperformed him everywhere, but Tabzz still "has to play better for [A] to stand chance". Even freaking choker Shook carried hardcore last finals against Fnatic. It's not like SneakyLemon is some kind of untouchable lane, Meteos is God of jungling and Balls is going to have Rumblings. And if it's true what i did just say, then Froggen will take over those games easily, because it's not Hai level at all. Rekkles is like a better version of Cop. Always gets a huge KDA so people think he's the best player ever. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Also, Bjergsen wasn't even close to Froggen/Alex/nukeduck in S3, even considering that Froggen was stuck in elo hell, he was safely 4th-5th with Peke though. Remember though. Jesiz was saying that it's easy to lane against Froggen. Where is Jesiz. Where is Febiven. Where is nukeduck. Where is incarnati0n. Where is Froggen? On September 24 2014 21:19 Numy wrote: Rekkles is like a better version of Cop. Always gets a huge KDA so people think he's the best player ever. Rekkles shines when his team shines, when team loses, he turns into 146% Cop. But Riot still hypes Fnatic's botlane as best botlane in the world. #lel. | ||
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
On September 24 2014 21:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Also, Bjergsen wasn't even close to Froggen/Alex/nukeduck in S3, even considering that Froggen was stuck in elo hell, he was safely 4th-5th with Peke though. Remember though. Lol what ? Bjergsen was widely considered one of the best if not the best mid at that time. Top and bot lane was prob one of the worst for NIP and him and Svenskeren carried them super hard. Why would TSM go after him and not Nukeduck. Alex was good on Kha yes, but Bjergsen was the best all around assassin. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 24 2014 15:06 IMoperator wrote: http://ggchronicle.com/season-four-world-championship-preview-alliance/?boxer=true lol wtf is with this line: "Now that Alliance has achieved their initial goal of qualifying for the 2014 World Championships, Froggen and his team can focus solely on the titans ahead of them. Najin White Sword represents the only real threat to Alliance during group stage, though Cloud 9 and KaBuM! e-Sports lurk as dark horse opponents." C9 a dark horse opponent? lol please. they're even with Alliance at least. also they said sword instead of shield. I agree its somewhat strange. Alliance vs C9 is pretty much 50/50 imo. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On September 24 2014 21:47 Kenpark wrote: Lol what ? Bjergsen was widely considered one of the best if not the best mid at that time. Top and bot lane was prob one of the worst for NIP and him and Svenskeren carried them super hard. Why would TSM go after him and not Nukeduck. Alex was good on Kha yes, but Bjergsen was the best all around assassin. That's some real fanboyism if i saw one. Bjergsen's first split was legit, when he came to save Wolves from cowTard, his next was way worse in terms of general playmaking, because level of competition grew a lot after aAa/Giants/DB dropout. Svenskeren was fucking kicked after Moscow, if there was one who carried NiP it was Extinkt/Malunoo combo, there is a freaking reason why NiP were on 8-2 or something streak when Lithuanian was in team and fell to relegations after it, even losing to washed up Alternate. It was disaster for NiP, because when you have second best botlane in region + this hyped certain midlaner, it's pretty anticlimactic to end on 6th place. Nukeduck was way better on assassins, his Zed/Fizz/Ahri were best in EU back to that point, Bjergsen in general was better PR move for TSM, because noone wants to see too many assholes in team and right now, they have Reginald basically covered by Bjergsen's good face and Loco is getting covered by legacy of Dyrus and Lustboy, so fans ain't sad, and also, this transfer was rumoured month or something before it actually happened, even before Bjergsen was posting pics with WildTurtle 25 hours per day being in LA, while Deficio was trying to save the team. Anyway, those jokes about EU midlane factory are becoming old, i still wonder how is Froggen able to keep up highest level of play without any competition in region. #NAADCfactory | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/reflections-with-froggen/1100-514/ "They are almost the same, but Bjergsen can also play AP mids. Nukeduck can only play assassins. http://www.ongamers.com/articles/reflections-with-moopz/1100-1220/ They are really close, but I think Bjergsen is a little better. There was also another reflection, I just dont remember from whom, who stated that Nuke was the better Fizz, Bjergsen better on Ahri and Zed. Nukeduck being way better than Bjergsen back in season 3 is just total bullshit. e/ http://www.aceresport.com/en/nukeduck_grilled.htm I think Peke is rly good and Bjergsen. I think they are the best mids. Bjergsen pretty much wins his lane against any player. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On September 24 2014 22:44 Kenpark wrote: Well pro's dont agree with you. http://www.ongamers.com/articles/reflections-with-froggen/1100-514/ "They are almost the same, but Bjergsen can also play AP mids. Nukeduck can only play assassins. http://www.ongamers.com/articles/reflections-with-moopz/1100-1220/ They are really close, but I think Bjergsen is a little better. There was also another reflection, I just dont remember from whom, who stated that Nuke was the better Fizz, Bjergsen better on Ahri and Zed. Nukeduck being way better than Bjergsen back in season 3 is just total bullshit. e/ http://www.aceresport.com/en/nukeduck_grilled.htm I think Peke is rly good and Bjergsen. I think they are the best mids. Bjergsen pretty much wins his lane against any player. #rekt | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Even though, last line about > Peke > best mid Kills everything. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
Alliance is favour vs C9, also Meteos is not even top 3 in West at his position. You guys need to watch some games. | ||
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