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On September 23 2014 00:14 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 23:32 Gorsameth wrote:On September 22 2014 23:18 niukasu1990 wrote:
epic Uzi reaction after watching TSM vs SK
I just had to go back and rewatch that bit on the vods. God how can a team make so many miss plays right after another. They could have pushed top to open another inhib but instead they go for the nexus. As soon as the 4 from TSM enter the base Vayne begins to recall, Dyrus lets it happen which is just a terrible play. Bjergen blows his entire combo on Sven who loses only 1/3 of his HP and he then zonya's to avoid a morgana binding while still at full hp which removes him from the crucial moments of the fight. Turtle is caught facing Vayne and has to back out, his only direction is right into Swain, Morgana and Ziggs so he dies for free and at that point its impossible for TSM to do anything. I just dont get how on earth you make the call to rush mid when you can push top lane hard, get to the inhib tower and if Vayne is still bottom you TP in Dyrus and force the engage 4v5. Either vayne backs and gets their late or you take the nexus. Instead you trap yourself in the enemy base and allow a splitpush Vayne with no TP to get to the fight sooner then Dyrus who had TP. Just... mind boggling bad call for a team of the level of TSM. It's even more mind boggling when you consider that TSM is normally a pretty passive team. They perfer to slowly take over the map which I think is why they battle so much with split pushing as they don't really have a predetermined set of plays to deal with it so they fumble a bit. I assume it was just all the earlier indecisiveness building up until the point where someone was just "fuck it let's just end this" at the end of the game.
This is going to be the norm for TSM until Bjergsen learns how to not suck at shotcalling.
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On September 23 2014 04:20 AlterKot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 04:09 Takkara wrote:On September 23 2014 03:51 AlterKot wrote:Well I don't really want to give these awards solely for worst performance, because then it would just be whole Dark Passage squad. It's rather for spectacular failures, like Morning playing chawy's champions while he rides the bench, Cola being on a chinese top3 team (but I guess that Irelia match was pretty good) and Turtle going from "WENT HEAD TO HEAD AGAINST PIGLET AND A CHINESE ADC" to, well, this. Oh well, I'll have time to think about who would get a funnier description  Just in case someone doesn't know, spanish insec is a reference to Araneae, see how easy it is to look like racist when you are trying to make a joke : )))))))) Also, I picked these names before I realised that I'm giving the mid one to SK player and ADC to TSM lol. How is "spanish insec" racist in any way? It's not more racist than calling Bjergsen the "Faker of NA". I assumed St3MoR's comment was because I named the award using word "Spanish", so I jokingly implied that making fun of spanish people for being bad at league is same caliber as what Sven did. Also (jokingly) implying that in both cases it could be a simple misunderstanding on both parts. Don't read too much into it pls :p
my comment was because we have 40% of titles, not because its racist, its "an honor", I wasnt implying your comment was racist at all
do u think people here love ocelote? we are teamliquidians 1st, nationalities come after that --v
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Western scene will improve if tsm,alliance, c9,fnatic,sk are send to relegations by the others in spring season5. I dont see how western scene improve if they got the same teams in top for 2 years.
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On September 23 2014 05:23 skykh wrote:
Western scene will improve if tsm,alliance, c9,fnatic,sk are send to relegations by the others in spring season5. I dont see how western scene improve if they got the same teams in top for 2 years.
having the same top teams isn't an issue, it's when they don't improve and stay on top anyways is when it becomes an issue.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On September 23 2014 05:23 skykh wrote:
Western scene will improve if tsm,alliance, c9,fnatic,sk are send to relegations by the others in spring season5. I dont see how western scene improve if they got the same teams in top for 2 years.
It's not like Samsung White ain't in 5 OGN Ro4 and higher in a row.
Having same teams on the top ain't an issue, not having middle of the pack - is.
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On September 23 2014 01:04 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 22:57 nimdil wrote:
So after first two groups concluded, we can easily believe that koreans are ontouchable while the rest of regions can probably compete with each other. "Can probably compete" is the myth Riot likes to push, because whether it is true or not, it will never get validated due to the lack of in depth bracketed international competition (IPL, Gigabyte StarsWar, to some extent WCG, IEM 2013 was ok but IEM 2014 was a bunch of 2nd rate teams getting beat by other 2nd rate teams). Instead we get joke tournaments like All-Stars and the only time we see undisputed top 3 from each region face off (Worlds) you don't see an in depth breakdown of how the regions actually match up (i.e. this tournament we don't get to see EDG vs TSM or OMG vs C9/All unless the Korean teams all go full chingchong and get 5 man roster bans for groups) So instead you see SHRC 1-1 TSM, TSM 1-1 SK, and SK 1-1 TPA and you think "oh man all the regions are equal" but what I saw was SK played like fucking trash even with Svenskeren back on the team (TSM just played worse) and cornfeeder Fizz is real terror.
Agreed. Even in the circumstance that the quarters/semis should be pretty heavily Asian stacked, it gives an opening for people to make the really unqualified claim that somehow EU/NA are close to CN, especially since SHRC lost (zzzz fuck).
Just speaking of formats since you briefly touched on it, Bo1s give massive openings for upsets. We've seen it in BW, we've seen it in CSGO, and we see it in every day physical sports. Nobody will argue that MVP is even with Flash in BW because he beat Flash once in late game TvT
The few times we have had Bo3/Bo5 series, China has never lost against a Western team since S2 worlds semifinals, where CLG.eu won after losing anywhere between 3-5 games that were conveniently discarded because of disconnects and managed to win two games that they were winning and didn't disconnect. Misaya the savior and his crew of godlike players minus ClearLove were robbed of a World Championship that year 100%
Also, trash tier Chinese team is in NA LCS and almost placed top 2. That's a.....n obvious tell right there. lo....l
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On September 23 2014 06:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 01:04 xes wrote:On September 22 2014 22:57 nimdil wrote:
So after first two groups concluded, we can easily believe that koreans are ontouchable while the rest of regions can probably compete with each other. "Can probably compete" is the myth Riot likes to push, because whether it is true or not, it will never get validated due to the lack of in depth bracketed international competition (IPL, Gigabyte StarsWar, to some extent WCG, IEM 2013 was ok but IEM 2014 was a bunch of 2nd rate teams getting beat by other 2nd rate teams). Instead we get joke tournaments like All-Stars and the only time we see undisputed top 3 from each region face off (Worlds) you don't see an in depth breakdown of how the regions actually match up (i.e. this tournament we don't get to see EDG vs TSM or OMG vs C9/All unless the Korean teams all go full chingchong and get 5 man roster bans for groups) So instead you see SHRC 1-1 TSM, TSM 1-1 SK, and SK 1-1 TPA and you think "oh man all the regions are equal" but what I saw was SK played like fucking trash even with Svenskeren back on the team (TSM just played worse) and cornfeeder Fizz is real terror. Agreed. Even in the circumstance that the quarters/semis should be pretty heavily Asian stacked, it gives an opening for people to make the really unqualified claim that somehow EU/NA are close to CN, especially since SHRC lost (zzzz fuck). Just speaking of formats since you briefly touched on it, Bo1s give massive openings for upsets. We've seen it in BW, we've seen it in CSGO, and we see it in every day physical sports. Nobody will argue that...fuck what was his name...MarineKingPrime (it was one of the big SC2 names that hit first at the beginning, not sure if it's MKP or someone else, maybe it's MVP) is even with Flash because he beat Flash once in late game TvT (perhaps Flash's most terrifying point) with BCs and then Flash beat him again or something which makes them 1-1. The few times we have had Bo3/Bo5 series, China has never lost against a Western team since S2 worlds semifinals, where CLG.eu won after losing anywhere between 3-5 games that were conveniently discarded because of disconnects and managed to win two games that they were winning and didn't disconnect. Misaya the savior and his crew of godlike players minus ClearLove were robbed of a World Championship that year 100%Also, trash tier Chinese team is in NA LCS and almost placed top 2. That's a.....n obvious tell right there. lo....l
2nd place is just the 1st loser. The rankings of non-Korean regions is irrelevant. No one can touch Korea right now. They are multiple tiers higher. Even if CN was better than EU/NA, who cares? They're the best of the irrelevant regions, yay!
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On September 23 2014 06:35 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 06:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:On September 23 2014 01:04 xes wrote:On September 22 2014 22:57 nimdil wrote:
So after first two groups concluded, we can easily believe that koreans are ontouchable while the rest of regions can probably compete with each other. "Can probably compete" is the myth Riot likes to push, because whether it is true or not, it will never get validated due to the lack of in depth bracketed international competition (IPL, Gigabyte StarsWar, to some extent WCG, IEM 2013 was ok but IEM 2014 was a bunch of 2nd rate teams getting beat by other 2nd rate teams). Instead we get joke tournaments like All-Stars and the only time we see undisputed top 3 from each region face off (Worlds) you don't see an in depth breakdown of how the regions actually match up (i.e. this tournament we don't get to see EDG vs TSM or OMG vs C9/All unless the Korean teams all go full chingchong and get 5 man roster bans for groups) So instead you see SHRC 1-1 TSM, TSM 1-1 SK, and SK 1-1 TPA and you think "oh man all the regions are equal" but what I saw was SK played like fucking trash even with Svenskeren back on the team (TSM just played worse) and cornfeeder Fizz is real terror. Agreed. Even in the circumstance that the quarters/semis should be pretty heavily Asian stacked, it gives an opening for people to make the really unqualified claim that somehow EU/NA are close to CN, especially since SHRC lost (zzzz fuck). Just speaking of formats since you briefly touched on it, Bo1s give massive openings for upsets. We've seen it in BW, we've seen it in CSGO, and we see it in every day physical sports. Nobody will argue that...fuck what was his name...MarineKingPrime (it was one of the big SC2 names that hit first at the beginning, not sure if it's MKP or someone else, maybe it's MVP) is even with Flash because he beat Flash once in late game TvT (perhaps Flash's most terrifying point) with BCs and then Flash beat him again or something which makes them 1-1. The few times we have had Bo3/Bo5 series, China has never lost against a Western team since S2 worlds semifinals, where CLG.eu won after losing anywhere between 3-5 games that were conveniently discarded because of disconnects and managed to win two games that they were winning and didn't disconnect. Misaya the savior and his crew of godlike players minus ClearLove were robbed of a World Championship that year 100%Also, trash tier Chinese team is in NA LCS and almost placed top 2. That's a.....n obvious tell right there. lo....l 2nd place is just the 1st loser. The rankings of non-Korean regions is irrelevant. No one can touch Korea right now. They are multiple tiers higher. Even if CN was better than EU/NA, who cares? They're the best of the irrelevant regions, yay!
Obviously EU/NA fans care. CN fans have only been crying that we probably won't be beating Korea this year either.
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On September 23 2014 04:09 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 03:51 AlterKot wrote:Well I don't really want to give these awards solely for worst performance, because then it would just be whole Dark Passage squad. It's rather for spectacular failures, like Morning playing chawy's champions while he rides the bench, Cola being on a chinese top3 team (but I guess that Irelia match was pretty good) and Turtle going from "WENT HEAD TO HEAD AGAINST PIGLET AND A CHINESE ADC" to, well, this. Oh well, I'll have time to think about who would get a funnier description Just in case someone doesn't know, spanish insec is a reference to Araneae, see how easy it is to look like racist when you are trying to make a joke : )))))))) Also, I picked these names before I realised that I'm giving the mid one to SK player and ADC to TSM lol. How is "spanish insec" racist in any way? It's not more racist than calling Bjergsen the "Faker of NA".
This makes sense if you're saying "spanish insec" is negative racist. Otherwise, what? Spanish as a group of people means from Spain(where he is from), not hispanic.
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The Chinese dream this s4 championships is just to get 3-1d by Korea instead of the constant 3-0s
It's more or less the same as the dynamic of Chinese bw at this point with China's Almost complete disregard for the west while always trying to chase that distant and unreachable Korea
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On September 23 2014 07:39 Kupon3ss wrote:
The Chinese dream this s4 championships is just to get 3-1d by Korea instead of the constant 3-0s Nah, chances are we're gonna get 3-0'd. 
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Chinese fan here,I think NA/EU are definitely catching up the Chinese teams, as the streaming industry is so huge here even attract Korean to come. Chinese care more about Team OldAge(Weixiao Caomei PDD Xiaoxiao Joker White) to win s14.
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On September 23 2014 12:38 niukasu1990 wrote:
Chinese fan here,I think NA/EU are definitely catching up the Chinese teams, as the streaming industry is so huge here even attract Korean to come. Chinese care more about Team OldAge(Weixiao Caomei PDD Xiaoxiao Joker White) to win s14.
Well team OldAge got 6 people so 6>5.  . But on a more serious note, that's disheartening to hear because I feel the streaming industry is the real downfall of why NA is so lackluster. Play for a pro team, make ok money, get called trash or stream, make lots of money and everyone assumes you're a god.
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when you have no hope of winning worlds, streaming is the right choice
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NGZN3bQ.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BJp2aqV.png) epic Uzi reaction after watching TSM vs SK
insec: the fuck yall watching that shit game for luls, time for nap.
but Royal did dodge a bullet vs SSWhite
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Everyone is so quick jumping to conlusions even though we havent seen half of teams yet. So typical of the interent.
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On September 23 2014 16:50 Silvanel wrote:
Everyone is so quick jumping to conlusions even though we havent seen half of teams yet. So typical of the interent.
Yes, if Fnatic for example 2:0 Omg we can be sure CN isnt miles away from EU/NA.
Right know I think its. Kr>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CN>>>EU>NA. But let's wait for Fnatic vs LMQ and All vs C9. Really hyped for these.
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On September 23 2014 19:13 Kenpark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 16:50 Silvanel wrote:
Everyone is so quick jumping to conlusions even though we havent seen half of teams yet. So typical of the interent. Yes, if Fnatic for example 2:0 Omg we can be sure CN isnt miles away from EU/NA. Right know I think its. Kr>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CN>>>EU>NA. But let's wait for Fnatic vs LMQ and All vs C9. Really hyped for these.
so you think the gap is wider than 1y ago?
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a year ago it was closer to
Kr >>>>> CN >>>>> EU > NA
remember that SKT actually lost a game
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Poland3775 Posts
On September 23 2014 22:24 Kupon3ss wrote:
a year ago it was closer to
Kr >>>>> CN >>>>> EU > NA
remember that SKT actually lost a game
Well Ozone lost in group stages and Najin lost one game in play-offs. I wonder if Alliance will be able to make an upset.
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