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On September 22 2014 23:32 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 23:18 niukasu1990 wrote:
epic Uzi reaction after watching TSM vs SK
I just had to go back and rewatch that bit on the vods. God how can a team make so many miss plays right after another. They could have pushed top to open another inhib but instead they go for the nexus. As soon as the 4 from TSM enter the base Vayne begins to recall, Dyrus lets it happen which is just a terrible play. Bjergen blows his entire combo on Sven who loses only 1/3 of his HP and he then zonya's to avoid a morgana binding while still at full hp which removes him from the crucial moments of the fight. Turtle is caught facing Vayne and has to back out, his only direction is right into Swain, Morgana and Ziggs so he dies for free and at that point its impossible for TSM to do anything. I just dont get how on earth you make the call to rush mid when you can push top lane hard, get to the inhib tower and if Vayne is still bottom you TP in Dyrus and force the engage 4v5. Either vayne backs and gets their late or you take the nexus. Instead you trap yourself in the enemy base and allow a splitpush Vayne with no TP to get to the fight sooner then Dyrus who had TP. Just... mind boggling bad call for a team of the level of TSM.
It's even more mind boggling when you consider that TSM is normally a pretty passive team. They perfer to slowly take over the map which I think is why they battle so much with split pushing as they don't really have a predetermined set of plays to deal with it so they fumble a bit. I assume it was just all the earlier indecisiveness building up until the point where someone was just "fuck it let's just end this" at the end of the game.
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On September 22 2014 23:18 niukasu1990 wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NGZN3bQ.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BJp2aqV.png) epic Uzi reaction after watching TSM vs SK
What a great picture, does anyone have the video link?
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On September 22 2014 22:57 nimdil wrote:
So after first two groups concluded, we can easily believe that koreans are ontouchable while the rest of regions can probably compete with each other.
"Can probably compete" is the myth Riot likes to push, because whether it is true or not, it will never get validated due to the lack of in depth bracketed international competition (IPL, Gigabyte StarsWar, to some extent WCG, IEM 2013 was ok but IEM 2014 was a bunch of 2nd rate teams getting beat by other 2nd rate teams). Instead we get joke tournaments like All-Stars and the only time we see undisputed top 3 from each region face off (Worlds) you don't see an in depth breakdown of how the regions actually match up (i.e. this tournament we don't get to see EDG vs TSM or OMG vs C9/All unless the Korean teams all go full chingchong and get 5 man roster bans for groups)
So instead you see SHRC 1-1 TSM, TSM 1-1 SK, and SK 1-1 TPA and you think "oh man all the regions are equal" but what I saw was SK played like fucking trash even with Svenskeren back on the team (TSM just played worse) and cornfeeder Fizz is real terror.
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On September 23 2014 00:11 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2014 23:32 Gorsameth wrote:On September 22 2014 23:18 niukasu1990 wrote:
epic Uzi reaction after watching TSM vs SK
I just had to go back and rewatch that bit on the vods. God how can a team make so many miss plays right after another. They could have pushed top to open another inhib but instead they go for the nexus. As soon as the 4 from TSM enter the base Vayne begins to recall, Dyrus lets it happen which is just a terrible play. Bjergen blows his entire combo on Sven who loses only 1/3 of his HP and he then zonya's to avoid a morgana binding while still at full hp which removes him from the crucial moments of the fight. Turtle is caught facing Vayne and has to back out, his only direction is right into Swain, Morgana and Ziggs so he dies for free and at that point its impossible for TSM to do anything. I just dont get how on earth you make the call to rush mid when you can push top lane hard, get to the inhib tower and if Vayne is still bottom you TP in Dyrus and force the engage 4v5. Either vayne backs and gets their late or you take the nexus. Instead you trap yourself in the enemy base and allow a splitpush Vayne with no TP to get to the fight sooner then Dyrus who had TP. Just... mind boggling bad call for a team of the level of TSM. CandyPanda would hide out of vision and then decide to continue to split push or recall. Dyrus simply can't chase him because Vayne can easily chase him down if he leaves base. He could've kept throwing cleavers but he was so afraid of throwing (if he didn't die a bunch early game, I think he would've been confident enough to chase). TSM had a very frontline oriented comp, it was over when they entered the base and got flanked (without Dyrus there), regardless of what individual members did. Once they made the call to enter SK's base, they should've got Dyrus to TP immediately or sacrifice himself to chase Vayne and prevent a recall.
Thats my point. If they made to call to rush the nexus Dyrus should have stopped Vayne from backing at the cost of his life in need be. Instead he stood behind the wall of his base and waited several more seconds before finally TPing after the first nexus tower died.
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Assuming TSM loses to SSW (a real stretch, I know), we can look forward to next year with them. I think things are pretty bright for them. In NA LCS, they have the best midlaner, a top-2 support, and top-3 top, jungle, and adc. Their vision control is top-tier, and their team fighting is really strong. Their biggest weaknesses are that they are overly reliant on their plans, unable to adapt to unexpected changes, and bad when playing from behind/needing to adjust mid-game. I feel like that's not a terrible problem for the team though, because those weaknesses can be worked on through more and better practice.
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On September 23 2014 01:20 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 00:11 Inflicted wrote:On September 22 2014 23:32 Gorsameth wrote:On September 22 2014 23:18 niukasu1990 wrote:
epic Uzi reaction after watching TSM vs SK
I just had to go back and rewatch that bit on the vods. God how can a team make so many miss plays right after another. They could have pushed top to open another inhib but instead they go for the nexus. As soon as the 4 from TSM enter the base Vayne begins to recall, Dyrus lets it happen which is just a terrible play. Bjergen blows his entire combo on Sven who loses only 1/3 of his HP and he then zonya's to avoid a morgana binding while still at full hp which removes him from the crucial moments of the fight. Turtle is caught facing Vayne and has to back out, his only direction is right into Swain, Morgana and Ziggs so he dies for free and at that point its impossible for TSM to do anything. I just dont get how on earth you make the call to rush mid when you can push top lane hard, get to the inhib tower and if Vayne is still bottom you TP in Dyrus and force the engage 4v5. Either vayne backs and gets their late or you take the nexus. Instead you trap yourself in the enemy base and allow a splitpush Vayne with no TP to get to the fight sooner then Dyrus who had TP. Just... mind boggling bad call for a team of the level of TSM. CandyPanda would hide out of vision and then decide to continue to split push or recall. Dyrus simply can't chase him because Vayne can easily chase him down if he leaves base. He could've kept throwing cleavers but he was so afraid of throwing (if he didn't die a bunch early game, I think he would've been confident enough to chase). TSM had a very frontline oriented comp, it was over when they entered the base and got flanked (without Dyrus there), regardless of what individual members did. Once they made the call to enter SK's base, they should've got Dyrus to TP immediately or sacrifice himself to chase Vayne and prevent a recall. Thats my point. If they made to call to rush the nexus Dyrus should have stopped Vayne from backing at the cost of his life in need be. Instead he stood behind the wall of his base and waited several more seconds before finally TPing after the first nexus tower died.
Yeah there's no point waiting for Vayne to recall, if Dyrus tps first it's 5v4 in base with supers and no adc, no way Vayne ends before TSM does
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I totally forgot that I wanted to do the MWP award... and a couple more. If it were just groups A&B, it would probably be:
Most Westrice Player: Achie... or maybe Cola?
Spanish Insec Award: Amazing
Ocelote Memorial: Tossup between Jesiz and Morning
Self proclaimed S4 MVP: WildTurtle or gametdevil
Reward of Elementz: nrated I guess?
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On September 23 2014 02:29 AlterKot wrote:
I totally forgot that I wanted to do the MWP award... and a couple more. If it were just groups A&B, it would probably be:
Most Westrice Player: Achie... or maybe Cola?
Spanish Insec Award: Amazing
Ocelote Memorial: Tossup between Jesiz and Morning
Self proclaimed S4 MVP: WildTurtle or gametdevil
Reward of Elementz: nrated I guess?
my national pride is through the roof -_-;; 2/5
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MWP is 100% achie, cola at least had a strong showing on irelia in the first match vs TSM. Achie was just worthless and wasted winds' time bailing him. Spanish Insec I won't dispute, ocelote memorial for me is definitely jesiz for his throw vs TPA. Self proclaimed S4 MVP can only be garnetdevil, at least wildturtle killed people on trist. Garnetdevil was useless even with greentea the legend.
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Well I don't really want to give these awards solely for worst performance, because then it would just be whole Dark Passage squad. It's rather for spectacular failures, like Morning playing chawy's champions while he rides the bench, Cola being on a chinese top3 team (but I guess that Irelia match was pretty good) and Turtle going from "WENT HEAD TO HEAD AGAINST PIGLET AND A CHINESE ADC" to, well, this. Oh well, I'll have time to think about who would get a funnier description 
Just in case someone doesn't know, spanish insec is a reference to Araneae, see how easy it is to look like racist when you are trying to make a joke : ))))))))
Also, I picked these names before I realised that I'm giving the mid one to SK player and ADC to TSM lol.
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I honestly believe that achie is what stands between TPA and competing on the big stage, I know morning got a lot of justified shit but if they just give him afk mids and had a decent top they could have had a good gameplan there. Obviously instead we got morning on chawy's champs trying to play chawy's style which was even worse on top of achie's constant wasting of winds' time which he could have devoted to getting bebe out of lane strong.
I would like to note when I say competing I mean matching up to EU, NA and CN teams (No beating SK with a sub doesn't count even if it was on the back of jesiz's garbage 9k damage the dream ahri). Not overthrowing our glorious Korean overlords.
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On September 23 2014 04:00 Fusilero wrote:
I honestly believe that achie is what stands between TPA and competing on the big stage, I know morning got a lot of justified shit but if they just give him afk mids and had a decent top they could have had a good gameplan there. Obviously instead we got morning on chawy's champs trying to play chawy's style which was even worse on top of achie's constant wasting of winds' time which he could have devoted to getting bebe out of lane strong.
I would like to note when I say competing I mean matching up to EU, NA and CN teams (No beating SK with a sub doesn't count even if it was on the back of jesiz's garbage 9k damage the dream ahri). Not overthrowing our glorious Korean overlords.
IMO bebe and jay are too trash in lane. There's no way you can be a top team without a half decent botlane.
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Bebe could be dragged through lane if he didn't have a trash support like jay, greentea or swordart to TPA would do them wonders.
The problem is firstly bebe is way too greedy both in builds and play which is something the najin coach should kick him the balls about and secondly that jay is just terrible, he can't control vision or disengage properly, bebe might be able to get away with greed if his support could make the lane passive but jay has no idea what he's doing. I think bebe would "magically" get so much better with greentea/swordart
Actually maybe just swordart, greentea probably too aggro of a support for bebe's playstyle
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On September 23 2014 03:51 AlterKot wrote:Well I don't really want to give these awards solely for worst performance, because then it would just be whole Dark Passage squad. It's rather for spectacular failures, like Morning playing chawy's champions while he rides the bench, Cola being on a chinese top3 team (but I guess that Irelia match was pretty good) and Turtle going from "WENT HEAD TO HEAD AGAINST PIGLET AND A CHINESE ADC" to, well, this. Oh well, I'll have time to think about who would get a funnier description Just in case someone doesn't know, spanish insec is a reference to Araneae, see how easy it is to look like racist when you are trying to make a joke : )))))))) Also, I picked these names before I realised that I'm giving the mid one to SK player and ADC to TSM lol.
How is "spanish insec" racist in any way? It's not more racist than calling Bjergsen the "Faker of NA".
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On September 23 2014 04:09 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 03:51 AlterKot wrote:Well I don't really want to give these awards solely for worst performance, because then it would just be whole Dark Passage squad. It's rather for spectacular failures, like Morning playing chawy's champions while he rides the bench, Cola being on a chinese top3 team (but I guess that Irelia match was pretty good) and Turtle going from "WENT HEAD TO HEAD AGAINST PIGLET AND A CHINESE ADC" to, well, this. Oh well, I'll have time to think about who would get a funnier description Just in case someone doesn't know, spanish insec is a reference to Araneae, see how easy it is to look like racist when you are trying to make a joke : )))))))) Also, I picked these names before I realised that I'm giving the mid one to SK player and ADC to TSM lol. How is "spanish insec" racist in any way? It's not more racist than calling Bjergsen the "Faker of NA".
Does this make Winds ChingChong Insec?
On September 23 2014 04:07 Fusilero wrote:
Bebe could be dragged through lane if he didn't have a trash support like jay, greentea or swordart to TPA would do them wonders.
The problem is firstly bebe is way too greedy both in builds and play which is something the najin coach should kick him the balls about and secondly that jay is just terrible, he can't control vision or disengage properly, bebe might be able to get away with greed if his support could make the lane passive but jay has no idea what he's doing. I think bebe would "magically" get so much better with greentea/swordart
Actually maybe just swordart, greentea probably too aggro of a support for bebe's playstyle
imo best TPA team made out of SEA players would be.
prydz top.
winds jungle.
westdoor mid.
chawy adc.
green tea sup.
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On September 23 2014 04:09 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 03:51 AlterKot wrote:Well I don't really want to give these awards solely for worst performance, because then it would just be whole Dark Passage squad. It's rather for spectacular failures, like Morning playing chawy's champions while he rides the bench, Cola being on a chinese top3 team (but I guess that Irelia match was pretty good) and Turtle going from "WENT HEAD TO HEAD AGAINST PIGLET AND A CHINESE ADC" to, well, this. Oh well, I'll have time to think about who would get a funnier description Just in case someone doesn't know, spanish insec is a reference to Araneae, see how easy it is to look like racist when you are trying to make a joke : )))))))) Also, I picked these names before I realised that I'm giving the mid one to SK player and ADC to TSM lol. How is "spanish insec" racist in any way? It's not more racist than calling Bjergsen the "Faker of NA".
I assumed St3MoR's comment was because I named the award using word "Spanish", so I jokingly implied that making fun of spanish people for being bad at league is same caliber as what Sven did. Also (jokingly) implying that in both cases it could be a simple misunderstanding on both parts. Don't read too much into it pls :p
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On September 23 2014 04:15 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 04:09 Takkara wrote:On September 23 2014 03:51 AlterKot wrote:Well I don't really want to give these awards solely for worst performance, because then it would just be whole Dark Passage squad. It's rather for spectacular failures, like Morning playing chawy's champions while he rides the bench, Cola being on a chinese top3 team (but I guess that Irelia match was pretty good) and Turtle going from "WENT HEAD TO HEAD AGAINST PIGLET AND A CHINESE ADC" to, well, this. Oh well, I'll have time to think about who would get a funnier description Just in case someone doesn't know, spanish insec is a reference to Araneae, see how easy it is to look like racist when you are trying to make a joke : )))))))) Also, I picked these names before I realised that I'm giving the mid one to SK player and ADC to TSM lol. How is "spanish insec" racist in any way? It's not more racist than calling Bjergsen the "Faker of NA". Does this make Winds ChingChong Insec? Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 04:07 Fusilero wrote:
Bebe could be dragged through lane if he didn't have a trash support like jay, greentea or swordart to TPA would do them wonders.
The problem is firstly bebe is way too greedy both in builds and play which is something the najin coach should kick him the balls about and secondly that jay is just terrible, he can't control vision or disengage properly, bebe might be able to get away with greed if his support could make the lane passive but jay has no idea what he's doing. I think bebe would "magically" get so much better with greentea/swordart
Actually maybe just swordart, greentea probably too aggro of a support for bebe's playstyle imo best TPA team made out of SEA players would be. prydz top. winds jungle. westdoor mid. chawy adc. green tea sup.
Hnggggh chawy/greentea bot lane would be so sexy, they'd just go hard on everyone and carry. They'd be like a mini uzi/zero for SEA
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On September 23 2014 04:22 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2014 04:15 wei2coolman wrote:On September 23 2014 04:09 Takkara wrote:On September 23 2014 03:51 AlterKot wrote:Well I don't really want to give these awards solely for worst performance, because then it would just be whole Dark Passage squad. It's rather for spectacular failures, like Morning playing chawy's champions while he rides the bench, Cola being on a chinese top3 team (but I guess that Irelia match was pretty good) and Turtle going from "WENT HEAD TO HEAD AGAINST PIGLET AND A CHINESE ADC" to, well, this. Oh well, I'll have time to think about who would get a funnier description Just in case someone doesn't know, spanish insec is a reference to Araneae, see how easy it is to look like racist when you are trying to make a joke : )))))))) Also, I picked these names before I realised that I'm giving the mid one to SK player and ADC to TSM lol. How is "spanish insec" racist in any way? It's not more racist than calling Bjergsen the "Faker of NA". Does this make Winds ChingChong Insec? On September 23 2014 04:07 Fusilero wrote:
Bebe could be dragged through lane if he didn't have a trash support like jay, greentea or swordart to TPA would do them wonders.
The problem is firstly bebe is way too greedy both in builds and play which is something the najin coach should kick him the balls about and secondly that jay is just terrible, he can't control vision or disengage properly, bebe might be able to get away with greed if his support could make the lane passive but jay has no idea what he's doing. I think bebe would "magically" get so much better with greentea/swordart
Actually maybe just swordart, greentea probably too aggro of a support for bebe's playstyle imo best TPA team made out of SEA players would be. prydz top. winds jungle. westdoor mid. chawy adc. green tea sup. Hnggggh chawy/greentea bot lane would be so sexy, they'd just go hard on everyone and carry. They'd be like a mini uzi/zero for SEA
A man can dream. I'm still impressed at how good AHQ and TPA are considering how fucking shit the rest of the region is.
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