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On September 21 2014 00:18 Takkara wrote:
Monte seems really sour during these Analyst Desk segments. Is it just continued fallout from the Regi/Loco drama, or is the chemistry just not there this year? On top of that, it just seems like the analyst desk is there to shit on the losers of the game instead of do anything really to praise the winners. We get it, teams make mistakes. Winning plays were made also, so let's talk about positives more often than just shitting on the teams (usually winners AND losers).
They do praise the winners. It's just when two poorly performing teams play each other there's not much to praise.
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On September 21 2014 00:20 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2014 00:18 Takkara wrote:
Monte seems really sour during these Analyst Desk segments. Is it just continued fallout from the Regi/Loco drama, or is the chemistry just not there this year? On top of that, it just seems like the analyst desk is there to shit on the losers of the game instead of do anything really to praise the winners. We get it, teams make mistakes. Winning plays were made also, so let's talk about positives more often than just shitting on the teams (usually winners AND losers). They do praise the winners. It's just when two poorly performing teams play each other there's not much to praise.
They find a way to make it work in traditional sports commentary and analysis, so I trust they can find a way to make it work with League of Legends as well. It's just a very natural pit to fall into. It's so much easier to call out people's mistakes than to look past them to find the gems to praise. Even in a stomp, either praise the few things the stomped team did well, or just talk about the good things the stomping team did to win. Stop talking about the things the stomped team did to make them get stomped. IMHO, that's not the role of the analyst, unless the thing they're calling out was a major blunder or is very hard to see to the untrained eye.
Overall, just more positivity on the desk, please!
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Thought so, Bebe's Qs looked somewhat painful when they did hit. (I rmbr him sniping off Morgana by himself more or less during top T3's defense)
Bebe's Ezreal is the least of TPA's problems.
On September 21 2014 00:18 Takkara wrote:
Monte seems really sour during these Analyst Desk segments. Is it just continued fallout from the Regi/Loco drama, or is the chemistry just not there this year? On top of that, it just seems like the analyst desk is there to shit on the losers of the game instead of do anything really to praise the winners. We get it, teams make mistakes. Winning plays were made also, so let's talk about positives more often than just shitting on the teams (usually winners AND losers).
Seems alright to me? It's just seems especially negative since they left the (arguably) worst match-up for last. Analysis/Casting or no, that game was a game of flops lol. Tomorrow should be better, by pure virtue of SSW-EDG & TSM-SHRC.
Granted I started watching LoL from GPL where casters make fun of teams for things like not closing out games in a timely fashion and then transited to LPL (which is similar in that they very actively point out mistakes) and OGN. Monte's 'sour' attitude isn't exclusive to the WC analyst desk; he's equally critical during OGN -- almost all of SKT-S's games in particular. xD
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On September 21 2014 00:31 ShootAnonymous wrote:Thought so, Bebe's Qs looked somewhat painful when they did hit. (I rmbr him sniping off Morgana by himself more or less during top T3's defense) Bebe's Ezreal is the least of TPA's problems.
Was it really the least of their problems? Early in the game, nRated gets a sick binding on Jay in bottom lane, but Bebe, with a level advantage, manages to kill Candypanda while only losing Jay. So, Bebe goes back and shops with his gold and level advantage and comes back with Sheen and Tear. After that, SK pushed down 3 towers and basically took the game over while Bebe was a non-factor. If Bebe is on Tristana or even a non-blue build, then they may just force their advantage at that point down SK's throat. Seemingly, Bebe sacrificed his lead to go for the long play, but by the time he hit his stride, SK just took way too much from them.
All the other mistakes (the overly long Dragon standoff into lost inhib turret, the 4 man chase on fredy) took place after that turning point, which is solely attributable to Bebe's Ezreal. Seemingly, NOT the least of their problems. Or, even if it was the least, it was the first.
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When Monte analyzes, he does so from a theoretical "perfect play vacuum". It's kind of hard to not come off as a little bit negative.
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On September 21 2014 00:20 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2014 00:18 Takkara wrote:
Monte seems really sour during these Analyst Desk segments. Is it just continued fallout from the Regi/Loco drama, or is the chemistry just not there this year? On top of that, it just seems like the analyst desk is there to shit on the losers of the game instead of do anything really to praise the winners. We get it, teams make mistakes. Winning plays were made also, so let's talk about positives more often than just shitting on the teams (usually winners AND losers). Yeah the desk seems very negative and critical this year. Tho I attribute it to the big stomps that have been happening is almost every game.
I feel like the other groups will be more even, we'll probably see more praise for matches like OMG vs Fnatic and alliance vs C9
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UZI admits he picked vayne mostly because he just wanted to play it; also felt himself to be rather 酱油(unimpactful) during the game due to the strong performance from mid+top meant that they won quite comfortably. xD
Corn adding in that for their comp vayne was pickable, just not very good.
Just wanted to share because the BGM amuses me, especially in light of the emo-drama that surrounded Royal before Worlds. xD
Source: http://star.tga.plu.cn/s4/v/63745
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On September 21 2014 00:37 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2014 00:31 ShootAnonymous wrote:Thought so, Bebe's Qs looked somewhat painful when they did hit. (I rmbr him sniping off Morgana by himself more or less during top T3's defense) Bebe's Ezreal is the least of TPA's problems. Was it really the least of their problems? Early in the game, nRated gets a sick binding on Jay in bottom lane, but Bebe, with a level advantage, manages to kill Candypanda while only losing Jay. So, Bebe goes back and shops with his gold and level advantage and comes back with Sheen and Tear. After that, SK pushed down 3 towers and basically took the game over while Bebe was a non-factor. If Bebe is on Tristana or even a non-blue build, then they may just force their advantage at that point down SK's throat. Seemingly, Bebe sacrificed his lead to go for the long play, but by the time he hit his stride, SK just took way too much from them. All the other mistakes (the overly long Dragon standoff into lost inhib turret, the 4 man chase on fredy) took place after that turning point, which is solely attributable to Bebe's Ezreal. Seemingly, NOT the least of their problems. Or, even if it was the least, it was the first.
I have no wish to rewatch that flop of a game, but I'll agree that Bebe's EZ might have been the first of TPA's problems that game, simply because it's pretty inadvisable to pick it with Trist open.
On the other the problem named Achie stood out way more to me =/ I have my doubts that TPA would've been able to press advantage even if their ADC had been trist or a non-blue EZ, simply because the pressure up toplane ended up bleeding into jungle.
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It's both, on the one hand the blue ez build lost lots of momentum in bot lane because bebe had to basically pause for 20 minutes to charge up if you will but that being said winds was basically restrained by achie. He had to constantly head up top to prevent freddy from becoming too much (which he still did anyway) though that being said as much as I love to praise winds he missed some key Qs that gave TPA a chance to cleanly win the top lane skirmishes and perhaps if they hit achie might have been able to hold up the ali.
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TPA banning ahri and immediatly double the damage dealt by jesiz from 9k to 21k. they must have read "the art of war" by monte Sun Tzi
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Group B is cool, SHRC didn't roflstomp like EDG and SSW, and between TSM, TPA and SK, I don't think anyone really is miles ahead. I'm still hoping for a good match when SK play TSM. And Jesiz is pretty hilarious 
On September 21 2014 00:31 ShootAnonymous wrote:Thought so, Bebe's Qs looked somewhat painful when they did hit. (I rmbr him sniping off Morgana by himself more or less during top T3's defense) Bebe's Ezreal is the least of TPA's problems.
Uh, did you click the link? I guess I worded that poorly, but what I meant is that Lucian dealt 100k MORE damage than Ez, meaning that if you think Ez wasn't a problem, then you think it's worth to sacrifice 100k damage for a long-range gauntlet slow :f
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Can fnatic and Alliance upset blue/shield and take first? Or can c9 do it?
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On September 21 2014 01:10 AlterKot wrote:Group B is cool, SHRC didn't roflstomp like EDG and SSW, and between TSM, TPA and SK, I don't think anyone really is miles ahead. I'm still hoping for a good match when SK play TSM. And Jesiz is pretty hilarious Show nested quote +On September 21 2014 00:31 ShootAnonymous wrote:Thought so, Bebe's Qs looked somewhat painful when they did hit. (I rmbr him sniping off Morgana by himself more or less during top T3's defense) Bebe's Ezreal is the least of TPA's problems. Uh, did you click the link? I guess I worded that poorly, but what I meant is that Lucian dealt 100k MORE damage than Ez, meaning that if you think Ez wasn't a problem, then you think it's worth to sacrifice 100k damage for a long-range gauntlet slow :f
You're comparing "total damage dealt"? Bebe had 20k more damage to champions.
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On September 21 2014 01:13 skykh wrote:
Can fnatic and Alliance upset blue/shield and take first? Or can c9 do it?
No, Fnatic is not even favour vs OMG and their s4 playstyle will never work vs Blue. Alliance may take one game from Shield and then lose in tie break.
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On September 21 2014 01:06 Fusilero wrote:
It's both, on the one hand the blue ez build lost lots of momentum in bot lane because bebe had to basically pause for 20 minutes to charge up if you will but that being said winds was basically restrained by achie. He had to constantly head up top to prevent freddy from becoming too much (which he still did anyway) though that being said as much as I love to praise winds he missed some key Qs that gave TPA a chance to cleanly win the top lane skirmishes and perhaps if they hit achie might have been able to hold up the ali.
Winds tried to kick away a Morgana who had ample time to shield herself at least 3 times (despite it being obvious that she'd do it before the kick goes off), and he died twice for it, including one late game that gave an objective. In terms of tempo he kinda hurt TPA too.
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On September 21 2014 01:23 TooL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2014 01:10 AlterKot wrote:Group B is cool, SHRC didn't roflstomp like EDG and SSW, and between TSM, TPA and SK, I don't think anyone really is miles ahead. I'm still hoping for a good match when SK play TSM. And Jesiz is pretty hilarious On September 21 2014 00:31 ShootAnonymous wrote:Thought so, Bebe's Qs looked somewhat painful when they did hit. (I rmbr him sniping off Morgana by himself more or less during top T3's defense) Bebe's Ezreal is the least of TPA's problems. Uh, did you click the link? I guess I worded that poorly, but what I meant is that Lucian dealt 100k MORE damage than Ez, meaning that if you think Ez wasn't a problem, then you think it's worth to sacrifice 100k damage for a long-range gauntlet slow :f You're comparing "total damage dealt"? Bebe had 20k more damage to champions.
Don't you use the blue build partially to have better waveclear, and "total damage" implies he didn't have it?
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On September 21 2014 01:25 orzeu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2014 01:13 skykh wrote:
Can fnatic and Alliance upset blue/shield and take first? Or can c9 do it? No, Fnatic is not even favour vs OMG and their s4 playstyle will never work vs Blue. Alliance may take one game from Shield and then lose in tie break.
APPLE PIE GONNA SURPRISE THEM BOTH! LMQ AND C9! CAPS ON FLAIRS UP!
I'm very interested to see Alliance and C9. Based on whispers and content coming out of Korea, it really seems like Hai is leveling up in his practice time. I have a suspicion that C9 is going to be at their absolute best level for their group. I am interested to see if Alliance comes in with too much swagger or if they come in humbled and hungry. I saw these tweets that were not very reassuring:
It might just come down to whether C9 or Alliance can steal a game away from Blue, if we assume they will split their head-to-head. Otherwise, that tie-breaker could be hype!
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On September 21 2014 01:27 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2014 01:06 Fusilero wrote:
It's both, on the one hand the blue ez build lost lots of momentum in bot lane because bebe had to basically pause for 20 minutes to charge up if you will but that being said winds was basically restrained by achie. He had to constantly head up top to prevent freddy from becoming too much (which he still did anyway) though that being said as much as I love to praise winds he missed some key Qs that gave TPA a chance to cleanly win the top lane skirmishes and perhaps if they hit achie might have been able to hold up the ali. Winds tried to kick away a Morgana who had ample time to shield herself at least 3 times (despite it being obvious that she'd do it before the kick goes off), and he died twice for it, including one late game that gave an objective. In terms of tempo he kinda hurt TPA too.
Yeah winds definitely did more questionable things than I gave him credit especially his two black shield kicks but I still think in terms of map positioning and setting up the few good moments of TPA winds was the primary reason TPA looked like they had any chance for the most part.
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It's the World Championships and the opening 2 groups have largely consisted of truly fucking awful teams getting clowned on, what are the analysts supposed to say? I'm sure when we eventually get a decent game between 2 good teams the analyst desk will look and sound a lot better.
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