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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
September 09 2014 19:56 GMT
#401
On September 10 2014 04:10 TitusVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 04:08 AlterKot wrote:
Actually CW are performing as well as I expected, it's just that CS sucks, so nothing to get hyped about :/


EU is such a big region you could expect something better in theory.

I don't think the size matters that much - look at China, where OMG - top3 team in the region - can't find a decent support (ps. Xpecial knows Mandarin).

Here's my understanding of Challenger Scene. Until recently, EU teams heavily believed in importance of stability of the roster. That means the worst teams would be trash like Giants, Dragonborns or MyM. So if you wanted to play in LCS, you could literally pick one good player, one decent and two shitters (Bjergsen's CW), beat teams that have 0 good players and grats, you can start enjoying your Riot salary. Then Lemondogs basically thought "If we have 5 good players and no shitters, then we're gonna beat everyone" which made everyone realise how important it is to replace bad players with better ones. CW and ROC managed to grab some good enough players to get in LCS, but that was it - by summer, bottom 4 teams became obsessed with roster changes. Couple that with NA snatching some really good players who need replacements, others getting banned/in contract limbo (forgiven) and needing replacements, and suddenly you are in a world were not even all established players are in LCS, anyone who even shows promise almost immediately gets a spot on an LCS team. And even if top2 teams in CS have players on similar level to bot2 teams in LCS (and that's pretty much the best they can get), they didn't spend 3 months playing League 12 hours a day against best teams in the region, while their relegation opponents did. That's why I think it's extremely unlikely that we will ever see new teams in LCS, unless an LCS team straight up disbands Lemondogs style. I guess there could be an upset in the expansion tournament, and then that team could drop next split, but that's it.

Heh spent whole game writing this.

Poll: Is CW vs H2K worth watching?

No (4)
 
57%

If you have time (2)
 
29%

Yes (1)
 
14%

7 total votes

Your vote: Is CW vs H2K worth watching?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 09 2014 19:57 GMT
#402
as bad as lower teir teams in NA/EU LCS can look vs. the top teams in their regions, they still look like gods vs. most challenger teams.

when coast got relegated and played a season in the NACL (talking about the old Zion/nintendude/shiphter team) they went something like 30-2 and the 2 losses were to the other relegated team at the time curse.
Carrilord has arrived.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 09 2014 19:57 GMT
#403
CW just outplayed H2K, I dont think it is about picks.
Especially Soren owned Febiven and Airwaks owned Trashy.
Off-season = best season
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
September 09 2014 19:57 GMT
#404
On September 10 2014 04:56 Gorsameth wrote:
Thank god we are getting 10 spots so crap teams like H2K get a second chance at free Riot money.


Watching those teams will suck initially, but imo it's good for growth. People need to give these teams and players time. In pro sports people don't shit on rookies when they first come up to the majors. LCS players deserve a little time to develop too, and playing against the top team in scrims and in season will force those teams to grow quickly or be eliminated next split.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 09 2014 19:58 GMT
#405
As I said, if h2k can't beat CW then fuck the challenger scene. MYM died for their sins.
Glorious SEA doto
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
September 09 2014 19:59 GMT
#406
As long as they don't let gamers 2 into the expansion tournament im happy
Science>Mechanics
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
September 09 2014 19:59 GMT
#407
On September 10 2014 04:59 TitusVI wrote:
As long as they don't let gamers 2 into the expansion tournament im happy


I mean, as long as Ocelote is their midlaner they aren't getting anywhere close to the LCS.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
September 09 2014 20:00 GMT
#408
They ain't hungry enough.

Probably too much respect also when their mentality shoulda been "lol ez win fuck these noobs"
Fan of the Jangbanger
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
September 09 2014 20:01 GMT
#409
Fake polls for G4 and G5
Poll: Is CW vs H2K worth watching?

Yes (3)
 
60%

No (1)
 
20%

If you have time (1)
 
20%

5 total votes

Your vote: Is CW vs H2K worth watching?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



Poll: Is CW vs H2K worth watching?

Yes (2)
 
33%

No (1)
 
17%

If you have time (3)
 
50%

6 total votes

Your vote: Is CW vs H2K worth watching?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
September 09 2014 20:02 GMT
#410
Yeah, bottom of the LCS should still be miles ahead challenger teams these days. That's why it is extremely unlikely to get kicked from LCS by a legit challenger team (not counting weird stuff like LMQ or EG cause lol imports).
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 09 2014 20:03 GMT
#411
On September 10 2014 04:56 Gorsameth wrote:
Thank god we are getting 10 spots so crap teams like H2K get a second chance at free Riot money.

Extremely misleading, once they get the stable money they can get sponsorship, and can afford infrastructure. Just look at the massive growth CoL had this year. Sure they're still last place, but you can't fucking deny that they got at least 3 times better over the past split, making really good games throughout the split.
liftlift > tsm
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 09 2014 20:03 GMT
#412
lol G2 won't get even close to lcs. even with the expansion current lcs teams >>> top challenger teams >>>>>>>NIP >>>>>> G2.

we'll probably only get 2 newcomers through the expansion and I hope it's the unicorns because of epic name.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
September 09 2014 20:05 GMT
#413
NA HYPE
Fan of the Jangbanger
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
September 09 2014 20:06 GMT
#414
#INCLGSEASON5IBELIEVE
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 09 2014 20:06 GMT
#415
Time for CLG to get KO'd
It's your boy Guzma!
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 09 2014 20:06 GMT
#416
More Dlift stories. God I so dont give a fk.
Off-season = best season
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
September 09 2014 20:07 GMT
#417
it wont happen, but i would find it totally hilarious if curse B team wins today.
I have a glimmer of hope for this happening since CLG hate each other and will tilt IF something goes wrong in the first game.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
September 09 2014 20:07 GMT
#418
DoubleFeels :,(
SUNSFANNED
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
September 09 2014 20:07 GMT
#419
ZUNA BOYS
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 09 2014 20:08 GMT
#420
All these feelz
DL fan4lyfe.
liftlift > tsm
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