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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On June 08 2014 13:20 GhandiEAGLE wrote: GAHLO YOU GOTTA HAVE MORE FAITH THAN THAT BEING A FAN DOESNT COUNT IF YOU ONLY CHEER WHEN THEY WIN It's not that they're losing. It's how they losing. They aren't even putting up a fight and stretching games out that they have no business being in. I can't say that there is 1 area of the game that they are playing well in. Also, shut up jeff. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
Plus his champion pool seems so small, like he's played Kha mid twice now and it didn't really do much in either game. He needs to work on his pool, especially now with other teams probably IDing this weakness on c9 and punishing them for it. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
While I think dig is still the best NA team atm, CLG isn't that far behind. CLG's weakness is still the top lane, Seraph isn't the amazeballs top lane KR that we all thought he was going to be (if you believed the hype) but I think there's still room for improvement for Seraph. Today's CLG v dig game + Show Spoiler + just reinforces the fact that CLG has superior late game team calls. It's not just hot air imo | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On June 08 2014 14:01 NeoIllusions wrote: Hai has always been the weak link on C9, despite being the shotcaller for the team. I think last year it was between Hai and "support" Sneaky but this year, Sneaky has been pulling his weight and then some while Hai hasn't improved much. While I think dig is still the best NA team atm, CLG isn't that far behind. CLG's weakness is still the top lane, Seraph isn't the amazeballs top lane KR that we all thought he was going to be (if you believed the hype) but I think there's still room for improvement for Seraph. Today's CLG v dig game + Show Spoiler + just reinforces the fact that CLG has superior late game team calls. It's not just hot air imo The CLG vs DIG game is one that's definitely worth watching/rewatching and taking notes from for multiple teams to learn from, both for the ognTSM rotations and how to play your team comp to the fullest. | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
That said, Seraph seems to have nerves and communication issues with team. In the game vs Dig, he looked flustered at the end of the game. He suicided with the Shyvana ult while the rest of CLG was disengaging. His ult also missed all of the team and didn't hit anything. As always with CLG, potential intensifies and I'm sure Seraph will shine in time. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
Like there's nothing wrong with having a weak link on a team when all the other players are so good, but you do want to have said weak links show some signs of life or ability to carry a game, as right now I don't think Hai could carry a bag of salt, much less his team in a tight match. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
In regards to the above seraph convo. The dude's definitely feeling a lot of pressure. Liftlift mentions here he was throwing up after the game. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 08 2014 16:03 zer0das wrote: Can we please stop pretending the CLG vs Dig game was some genius move on CLG's part? Dig had trash decision making, let's call a spade a spade. Wut. Dig made mistakes, because they were forced to make tough decisions by CLG. It's not like dig randomly walked into clg and died. Clg forced dig to hesitate and make poor decisions by applying correct map pressure in botlane. If it was any team other than clg in the same position as they were in that game. DIG would have won. | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On June 08 2014 12:22 739 wrote: CLG, mhm.... still Seraph blows a lot, actually. He's only losing lanes against teams with very good top laners. It's not like he's losing to Westrice. On top of that, they may not have prioritize doublelift so much that he can just run around afk farming and doesn't rotate, but jungle, roam, and farm presence is still being focused on him. Like he's not the Korean god everyone expect him to be, but he's not doing that bad that everyone should just bag on him. Dude's in a new country, let him be for a bit. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 08 2014 16:03 zer0das wrote: Can we please stop pretending the CLG vs Dig game was some genius move on CLG's part? Dig had trash decision making, let's call a spade a spade. I give credit where it's due. CLG teetered on a fine line with their poke comp. If they were ever caught out, dig would've steamrolled CLG in a team fight. You can say that dig was the one that committed mistakes but CLG played their part near perfectly. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 08 2014 16:55 O-ops wrote: He's only losing lanes against teams with very good top laners. It's not like he's losing to Westrice. On top of that, they may not have prioritize doublelift so much that he can just run around afk farming and doesn't rotate, but jungle, roam, and farm presence is still being focused on him. Like he's not the Korean god everyone expect him to be, but he's not doing that bad that everyone should just bag on him. Dude's in a new country, let him be for a bit. CLG hasn't lost a game because of Seraph yet. I think that's all anyone can ask of him atm. Over time, perhaps he can carry from top. We shall see. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On June 08 2014 13:20 GhandiEAGLE wrote: GAHLO YOU GOTTA HAVE MORE FAITH THAN THAT BEING A FAN DOESNT COUNT IF YOU ONLY CHEER WHEN THEY WIN I dunno, I just perma-flame Dignitas. As for the game, really, I'm just hella mad at Dig's draft. It was good for CLG to be able to last pick Nidalee, and they punished Dig's draft well by doing so, but since Link played a lot of Ziggs and Nidalee Dignitas should have kept that in mind and drafted some hard initiation to go with their teamfight comp. All of their picks were nice in a fight, but had no way to get into one (Nami included). Hell, they have stealthy Qtpie scout out to try and get a E off, with a positioning that'd be Zuna-like without the stealth, because they didn't have anything to force a fight. Kayle, Nami, etc. can help picks, but CLG had Morgana, Lucian can just dodge a skillshot or remove Kayle's slow, and all in all these spells were far too short range for CLG's champions. Sure, CLG didn't fluke. But Dignitas gave up so much pressure and gave CLG such an "innate" advantage with their draft... and then they tried to trade objectives against Nidalee. Protect the towers instead, the more of them you force CLG to siege, the more opportunities you have to catch them, the harder you make it for them. With a decent teamfight win Kayle would utterly wrecked the towers anyway, it's not like you need to kill CLG's asap or anything. But they failed at it, and with their shit draft it meant they were desperate to get a catch. I'm so damn salty. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On June 08 2014 13:53 Kinie wrote: Rewatching the games I missed, and the more I watch, the more I feel like Hai is probably the weakest player on c9. I don't know if it's still him recovering but he just never seems to win in lane, only breaking even or loses, but because he roams at the right times he's able to snowball top or bot (usually with Meteos) to get kills and objectives and start snowballing Sneaky+Lemon/Balls. Plus his champion pool seems so small, like he's played Kha mid twice now and it didn't really do much in either game. He needs to work on his pool, especially now with other teams probably IDing this weakness on c9 and punishing them for it. Three times. Fizz inc. On June 08 2014 14:47 Kinie wrote: I think it's also an issue with Seraph being asked to do so much, not to mention that in this latest game, liftlift + Aphroo said they kinda left him out to dry when they shouldn't have, with Link missing a roam early on. Like there's nothing wrong with having a weak link on a team when all the other players are so good, but you do want to have said weak links show some signs of life or ability to carry a game, as right now I don't think Hai could carry a bag of salt, much less his team in a tight match. Monte was speaking about it. - "Those 4 are just playing out of their mind because they have to help him". Link is really stepping up a lot, i hope, he and Doublelift don't retire after season ;_; This CLG roster is really on their way to be better than that, 2,5 years ago and first. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On June 08 2014 21:08 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Three times. Fizz inc. Monte was speaking about it. - "Those 4 are just playing out of their mind because they have to help him". Link is really stepping up a lot, i hope, he and Doublelift don't retire after season ;_; This CLG roster is really on their way to be better than that, 2,5 years ago and first. I honestly think CLG is on the way to be the best they've ever been. If Seraph can get seasoned and battle-hardened, they're prolly #1 NA. Really happy with how Col and EG are putting up fights. Fun to see the old status quo of NA being thrown for a loop! Down with C9=#1! Down with TSM=#2! Down with EG/Col=#7/8! Down with CRS eternity #4! | ||
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
I think when shivana ults in it should be a team call so that there is a follow up but when shyvana ults in and the rest of the taem is running away it basically says zero communication. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On June 08 2014 22:03 TitusVI wrote: I guess at the moment there is zero communication between seraph and his team. Why would he ult in and no follow up? I think when shivana ults in it should be a team call so that there is a follow up but when shyvana ults in and the rest of the taem is running away it basically says zero communication. At least, it happened 1 time and not like with Dyrus l0l. That's basically quintessence of CLG and TSM right now, CLG can misplay but still put up a bunch of comeback moves, TSM misplays and fall. On June 08 2014 22:03 Doctorbeat wrote: I honestly think CLG is on the way to be the best they've ever been. If Seraph can get seasoned and battle-hardened, they're prolly #1 NA. Really happy with how Col and EG are putting up fights. Fun to see the old status quo of NA being thrown for a loop! Down with C9=#1! Down with TSM=#2! Down with EG/Col=#7/8! Down with CRS eternity #4! If CLG wins tonight against C9, they're undisputable #1. First time in 3.5 years. But NA is sick this season, i'm enjoying. EU is good as well, this LCS split is really nice. | ||
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ExceliosBeyond
208 Posts
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
[B]On June 08 2014 22:28 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: If CLG wins tonight against C9, they're undisputable #1. First time in 3.5 years. But NA is sick this season, i'm enjoying. EU is good as well, this LCS split is really nice. Absolutly agree its really fun to watch. | ||
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