EPT[Riot] LoL All-Stars Tournament 2014 - Page 143
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On May 11 2014 19:59 cuppatea wrote: I think EU was made to look a lot worse than they are by having an out-of-practise Fnatic as the region's sole representative. I still expect them to remain ahead of NA and not too far behind China. Korea is just lightyears ahead of everyone and will remain that way until the day another country has a comparable gaming infrastructure (let's face it, if professional gaming was as big in America as it is in Korea, they'd blow Korea out of the water). EU really isn't ahead of NA anymore, though; maybe the tier 2 EU teams are a little better than their equivalent NA ones, but it sure feels like the best NA teams are better than the best EU ones throughout 2014. As for gaming infrastructure 'solving' the Korean dominance, meh. Their culture is pretty much the perfect environment for breeding perfect gamers. Koreans are much more comfortable (and willing) to just practice practice practice in a video game, plus as someone else pointed out earlier, they respect age / rank much more so than western people do. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 11 2014 19:59 cuppatea wrote: I think EU was made to look a lot worse than they are by having an out-of-practise Fnatic as the region's sole representative. I still expect them to remain ahead of NA and not too far behind China. Korea is just lightyears ahead of everyone and will remain that way until the day another country has a comparable gaming infrastructure (let's face it, if professional gaming was as big in America as it is in Korea, they'd blow Korea out of the water). China has bigger or at least, comparable, infrastructure arguably than Korea, they just need to start researching other teams and regions in general. Ah, and stop being 2 patches behind always. | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On May 11 2014 19:59 cuppatea wrote: I think EU was made to look a lot worse than they are by having an out-of-practise Fnatic as the region's sole representative. I still expect them to remain ahead of NA and not too far behind China. Korea is just lightyears ahead of everyone and will remain that way until the day another country has a comparable gaming infrastructure (let's face it, if professional gaming was as big in America as it is in Korea, they'd blow Korea out of the water). u realize, american practice regimen is hallluc lol, just saying u weren't loss | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On May 11 2014 20:11 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: China has bigger or at least, comparable, infrastructure arguably than Korea, they just need to start researching other teams. I honestly don't think so. Size really isn't the deciding factor here. Korea, mainly due to KeSPA, still seems to have the best infrastructure. I don't even think most Chinese eSports teams are sustainable, you always hear these stories about most of those teams being owned by rich people. Korea seems more organic to me with all their big company sponsorships. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
Certainly not playing in Korea is not what is holding NA/EU back at all. When Korea sucked at LoL I distinctly remember people here saying that they wouldn't get better because they were just playing each other, and they were all bad. Turns out that that is BS. Once the money from the established esports organizations started pouring in they began putting together stronger and stronger teams. Soloqueue became competitive because players knew that scouts from big teams were watching and actively looking for good players (unlike NA/EU where it is still mostly just people becoming friends in soloqueue and deciding to play together, which creates a dynamic where it is more important to make friends than it is to be the best). If 4+ big American companies (like say Microsoft, Apple, Google and Intel) decided over night that they wanted to build strong LoL teams (like really throw money at it, not just this weak sponsorship stuff where the players get free PCs), then the NA scene could probably match or even exceed Korea within maybe a year give or take 6 months. Of course that won't happen any time soon. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On May 11 2014 09:42 NeoIllusions wrote: I didn't read the full conversation but just quipping "Once again, more people don't know what they're talking about." doesn't fly. Either tell him why he's wrong or if you mentioned it before, quote it again. Thanks znf. That said, NA's biggest weakness imo compared to eastern teams is really their approach to practice. It doesn't matter if there were more LCS teams at C9's level (it'd help a bit but doesn't solve bigger problems). Many NA teams have the uncanny ability to repeat mistakes and not learn from them. If x is the reason why a team loses an LCS match on Week 2, way too fucking often we see the same team commit the very same x mistake on Week 5 and lose again. Sometimes it's as fucking obvious as Baron, otherwise it's something more subtle. But it really shows a lack of discipline. Edit: ok, after trying to read the nested conversations... I agree with a lot of what znf is saying. @Figgy: Scene doesn't cater to fans, sorry but that's not how it works. If you're a pro, you need and should watch teams better than you. That means right now, watching OGN. No one says you have to watch the games live and wake up in the middle of the night. But if you aren't watching videos of teams better than you, good luck trying to innovate. Also, if you think that players who move to Korea don't get better, that's fucking unbelievable (e.g. flat out wrong). @Itsmedudeman: I think most pros would want to go to Korea and play in OGN winter during the off season, why the hell not? I think it's ridiculous to think LCS teams wouldn't learn more by playing against the OGN, hell even NLB, teams. Link even said in an interview that he used to think his laning was good. Until he got a real fucking dose of reality and laned against Faker. Link gives me the impression that he has humility and this revelation from All-Star will push him to become even better. Edit2: Tabzz's answer here seems mighty relevant. I'm not saying that sending teams to Korea won't make that specific team better. I'm saying that sending C9 or TSM or CLG to korea to improve for a year doesn't help NA as a WHOLE as now they've just lost their biggest practice partner in their entire region. Not only does it hurt the entire region skillwise for that entire year, it hurts the fanbase as now suddenly those 200k viewers who actually are watching the NA LCS which in turn hurts the entire NA scene as a whole. If NA needs to improve they need a more Korea-like structure in NA itself not sending them overseas to do it. They need better practice regimes and upcoming talent needs to know they actually have more of a chance of being able to make a full time career out of LOL and an easier way to garentee a position on a pro team, neither of which sending teams to Korea helps imo. Also, Link was god awful in every match he played (compared to the other worlds mid laners). With Hai the games would have looked a lot different and it was possible they may have finished ahead of OMG. Obviously SKT would have still stomped them... | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 11 2014 20:15 UmberBane wrote: I honestly don't think so. Size really isn't the deciding factor here. Korea, mainly due to KeSPA, still seems to have the best infrastructure. I don't even think most Chinese eSports teams are sustainable, you always hear these stories about most of those teams being owned by rich people. Korea seems more organic to me with all their big company sponsorships. Who cares about size, Chinese esports always were on level of Korea in infrastructure, just in other disciplines. And being owned by company or rich sponsor - i don't think it really matters until company/sponsor are going to bankrupt. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On May 11 2014 20:18 Itsmedudeman wrote: Why didn't Bjergsen decide to 1v1 Froggen? Sounds like bjergsen pussied out to me. Pretty sure it was most popular vote 1v1'ed. It was probably Wx vs. Caomei, but since Caomei had to leave, they probably had Froggen as 3rd. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 11 2014 20:18 Itsmedudeman wrote: Why didn't Bjergsen decide to 1v1 Froggen? Sounds like bjergsen pussied out to me. Because Chinese fans chose Wx. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On May 11 2014 20:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Who cares about size, Chinese esports always were on level of Korea in infrastructure, just in other disciplines. And being owned by company or rich sponsor - i don't think it really matters until company/sponsor are going to bankrupt. No one cares about size, but your argument was that China has a bigger infrastructure... And implying that Chinese eSports was on par with Korean BW in terms of competitiveness goes too far. There were worlds between them. I really don't think that Chinese are inherently less talented or have worse work-ethics than Koreans, I just think their infrastructure needs to get on par with the Korean to consistently compete with them. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 11 2014 20:19 Fionn wrote: Pretty sure it was most popular vote 1v1'ed. It was probably Wx vs. Caomei, but since Caomei had to leave, they probably had Froggen as 3rd. I thought I distinctly heard one of the casters say team Ice and FIre chose X as their representative. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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