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On February 08 2014 04:08 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 04:07 Ghost-z wrote:On February 08 2014 03:50 Ente wrote:On February 08 2014 03:50 Ghost-z wrote:On February 08 2014 03:44 nafta wrote:On February 08 2014 03:43 Ente wrote:
I played some graves recently he doesnt seem terrible but he WILL have big problems killing trundle lategame, dont think lulu has that much dps vs tanks either.. That has always been his weakness and with how popular tanks are it makes no sense to pick him up when everything else is open. What makes graves less effective at killing tanks than other ADs? "fairly" low dps, low range As far as dps with BT, Shiv, LW: Caitlyn has headshot and Graves has quickdraw so its fairly even in my book. Caitlyn has better defensive options (range) but Graves has better burst. My question is, is it just because Caitlyn can attack more "safely" that makes her better against tanks? Which adc's are the best for chewing through tanks? (besides vayne) What burst?Abilites are useless vs tanks.They die to crits or %hp.Range is a lot more damage than graves using his atk speed buff which also happens to be his only mobility.
Graves can use his Q and R in between attacks unlike Caitlyn. But crits/armor pen are the tank killers I agree, so it's not really the champions kit but rather their tendency to build IE,PD,LW,Botrk,GA that enables them to kill tanks.
edit: unless they have true damage or %hp built-in
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for single target its still better to straight up autoattack
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On February 08 2014 04:19 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 04:18 Swords wrote:
If SK had played an adc that wasn't Graves they would've won that game.
Except for maybe Quinn. I like lulu mid and I like graves. I don't like lulu mid and graves, really feel like orianna or jinx instead of one of the two would have been far better here.
Was it in the NA Challenger that I saw a team run the Lulu/Twitch combo where Twitch would run into the enemy team while under stealth and lulu would ult him (knocking up 2-3 people) to initiate the fight. It worked fairly well since wild growth doesnt reveal Twitch.
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On February 08 2014 04:35 Ghost-z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 04:19 Fusilero wrote:On February 08 2014 04:18 Swords wrote:
If SK had played an adc that wasn't Graves they would've won that game.
Except for maybe Quinn. I like lulu mid and I like graves. I don't like lulu mid and graves, really feel like orianna or jinx instead of one of the two would have been far better here. Was it in the NA Challenger that I saw a team run the Lulu/Twitch combo where Twitch would run into the enemy team while under stealth and lulu would ult him (knocking up 2-3 people) to initiate the fight. It worked fairly well since wild growth doesnt reveal Twitch.
lulu/twitch is also an extremely good lane on it's own merit, they compliment each other well
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On February 08 2014 04:35 Ghost-z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 04:19 Fusilero wrote:On February 08 2014 04:18 Swords wrote:
If SK had played an adc that wasn't Graves they would've won that game.
Except for maybe Quinn. I like lulu mid and I like graves. I don't like lulu mid and graves, really feel like orianna or jinx instead of one of the two would have been far better here. Was it in the NA Challenger that I saw a team run the Lulu/Twitch combo where Twitch would run into the enemy team while under stealth and lulu would ult him (knocking up 2-3 people) to initiate the fight. It worked fairly well since wild growth doesnt reveal Twitch.
I think it was vVv that used it vs LMQ? I believe it worked okay even if LMQ did crush in the end, twitch sub marine is always fun I remember KTB using him as a shen delivery system.
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Diamond just said in an interview, if Lee and Elise is banned, Eve is the best jungler.
And so they banned / picked accordingly.
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On February 08 2014 04:38 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 04:35 Ghost-z wrote:On February 08 2014 04:19 Fusilero wrote:On February 08 2014 04:18 Swords wrote:
If SK had played an adc that wasn't Graves they would've won that game.
Except for maybe Quinn. I like lulu mid and I like graves. I don't like lulu mid and graves, really feel like orianna or jinx instead of one of the two would have been far better here. Was it in the NA Challenger that I saw a team run the Lulu/Twitch combo where Twitch would run into the enemy team while under stealth and lulu would ult him (knocking up 2-3 people) to initiate the fight. It worked fairly well since wild growth doesnt reveal Twitch. I think it was vVv that used it vs LMQ? I believe it worked okay even if LMQ did crush in the end, twitch sub marine is always fun I remember KTB using him as a shen delivery system.
Bring Orianna (does the ball cloak with twitch?), Shen and Lulu for nuclear submarine Twitch!
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On February 08 2014 04:42 wei2coolman wrote:
THE COWWWWWWWWWW
Cow picked without 4 support bans? MADNESS EDWARD PLS
On February 08 2014 04:41 Ghost-z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 04:38 Fusilero wrote:On February 08 2014 04:35 Ghost-z wrote:On February 08 2014 04:19 Fusilero wrote:On February 08 2014 04:18 Swords wrote:
If SK had played an adc that wasn't Graves they would've won that game.
Except for maybe Quinn. I like lulu mid and I like graves. I don't like lulu mid and graves, really feel like orianna or jinx instead of one of the two would have been far better here. Was it in the NA Challenger that I saw a team run the Lulu/Twitch combo where Twitch would run into the enemy team while under stealth and lulu would ult him (knocking up 2-3 people) to initiate the fight. It worked fairly well since wild growth doesnt reveal Twitch. I think it was vVv that used it vs LMQ? I believe it worked okay even if LMQ did crush in the end, twitch sub marine is always fun I remember KTB using him as a shen delivery system. Bring Orianna (does the ball cloak with twitch?), Shen and Lulu for nuclear submarine Twitch!
Full tank twitch with randuins, ninjas into their team. Drops surprise shen/lulu/ori ults, rito pls nerf.
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Genja needs to carry hard again. Gambit lacks dmg and reliable engage kinda. But SHC's comp will engage on them most of the time anyway but it will be hard to siege if they're ahead.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
You can't milk those.
Let's go.
#FORTHERUSSIA
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Prefer the Lulu mid with this comp, less AoE CC in the rest of the team and a you've got a bigger damage threat with Eve and the late game adc with Jinx
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Don't know why EU players so comfortable playing the Trundle vs Renekton matchup. :/ I think that's an easy snowball for renekton if he gets early offensive item (either 2 dblade + 1 dshield, or tiamat (hydra), or bildgewater (botrk).
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On February 08 2014 04:44 wei2coolman wrote:
Don't know why EU players so comfortable playing the Trundle vs Renekton matchup. :/ I think that's an easy snowball for renekton if he gets early offensive item (either 2 dblade + 1 dshield, or tiamat (hydra), or bildgewater (botrk).
Lol, mimer winning a lane. I do agree, renekton can easily shit on trundle and I feel like teams should be more careful still not a fan of all the trundle blind picks.
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United States15536 Posts
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this isn't solo q so 1. a top is never going to easily win since they all play safe for the most part 2. they are always going to be building tanky for their team in lieu of "gettin dem kills top"
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On February 08 2014 04:44 wei2coolman wrote:
Don't know why EU players so comfortable playing the Trundle vs Renekton matchup. :/ I think that's an easy snowball for renekton if he gets early offensive item (either 2 dblade + 1 dshield, or tiamat (hydra), or bildgewater (botrk).
It's not really a 1v1 so I think that matters?
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