EPT[EU LCS] S4 Spring Week 4 - Page 10
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Slangen
Sweden1166 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On February 07 2014 04:22 wei2coolman wrote: Misanalyzation on your part. Leblanc wasn't behind in gold/min, compared to midlane. the only reason leblance looks like she needs kills in lane to be impactful, is often in midlane she can't CS compared to the AoE shove/clear of other midlaners, so to make up for lack of CS dying to tower, she has to get kills. but in top lane against trundle she had free farm, so she wasn't actually losing out in CS. Also, notice Soaz got so big that it forced Tabbz to get Bveil as 2nd item, instead of triforce, also delayed wick'd from building Armor/Health item until after GA (which was his 3rd item), allowing Rekkles to have far more impact in game. except the extremely common in NA W max build accomplishes this same thing and has not been that impressive either | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21685 Posts
You need tanky guys in there team disrupting. Alliance had free reign over teamfights because Lee Sin couldnt do it. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
What world am I living in again? | ||
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
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Swords
6038 Posts
On February 07 2014 04:19 wei2coolman wrote: No, xpeke lost lane straight up against froggen, cuz he's too arrogant to pick up more poitns in shield against that matchup, and fucking Cyanide didn't do shit at all early game. The leblanc pick was genius imo. look at alliance's defensive itemization. Wicked picked up GA as 3rd item after SV + BotRK, meaning Caitlyn gets ez pz damage on Alliance's front line, and Pantheon JUST picked up randuins. The whole point of Leblanc pick was to force the early Bveil from Lucian (notice how he got bveil before even his triforce? he wasn't doing jack shit for damage), and to force toplaner to build MR instead of Armor. The LB pick was good, Xpeke and cyanide lost the game for fnatic this game. I don't think it was a bad pick, just the rest of the gameplan was off. The goal was obviously to have Soaz be the ap carry and xPeke be the utility ap, but Cyanide didn't get anything going toplane, xPeke didn't go utility (no points in shield), and Cyanide also just built damage to start off, which made him basically useless until he got randuins. I don't think it was a very good gameplan because Shook always camps Froggen, and Cyanide always being top gave Alliance free dragons and free botlane pressure (Rekkles and Yellowstar did a fantastic job getting a big early lead and then lost it because Alliance could send 4 people bot for free with a ward on Cyanide top). To me it made more sense to let Soaz do his thing toplane and hope he bullies Trundle hard enough to get a lead, while using Lee Sin to help Ori/Thresh/Cait. But I'm bad at this game, so my analysis might be way off. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
I will never understand it. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On February 07 2014 04:24 AsmodeusXI wrote: ALL > FNC? What world am I living in again? The LCS always gives you the most hilarious results which is why the first game of the NA LCS C9 beat TSM with Teemo. Alliance beating Fnatic shouldn't be surprising at all because of that. On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D I will never understand it. Honestly? Alliance's play was really shaky once they left laning. They gave plenty of chances for Fnatic to come back. Their shotcalling still needs work. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
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Swords
6038 Posts
On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D I will never understand it. People enjoy complaining. I've been criticizing fnatic a bunch, but Alliance did a great job adapting to fnatic's weird picks that game and played it out very well. That was a nice step forward from them. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 07 2014 04:23 Slusher wrote: except the extremely common in NA W max build accomplishes this same thing and has not been that impressive either Even W max doesn't give her the same waveclear as Gragas/Ziggs, also it puts her in risk of getting wrekt against those 2. I'm pretty sure if you look at Gold/min in lane wise. Soaz probably kept up with a midlane version of LB who got a couple of solo kills in lane. Against trundle, who has no waveclear, she does fine. Might not have kill potential but splitting even with free farm is fine imo. It's not like Soaz didn't have impact in the game, again, look at how Tabbz had to build, the Leblanc pick essentially made Trundle build MR, against a very strong Rekkles, and Tabz to build tanky so early. On February 07 2014 04:25 Swords wrote: I don't think it was a bad pick, just the rest of the gameplan was off. The goal was obviously to have Soaz be the ap carry and xPeke be the utility ap, but Cyanide didn't get anything going toplane, xPeke didn't go utility (no points in shield), and Cyanide also just built damage to start off, which made him basically useless until he got randuins. I don't think it was a very good gameplan because Shook always camps Froggen, and Cyanide always being top gave Alliance free dragons and free botlane pressure (Rekkles and Yellowstar did a fantastic job getting a big early lead and then lost it because Alliance could send 4 people bot for free with a ward on Cyanide top). To me it made more sense to let Soaz do his thing toplane and hope he bullies Trundle hard enough to get a lead, while using Lee Sin to help Ori/Thresh/Cait. But I'm bad at this game, so my analysis might be way off. Yeah, the picks in isolation were pretty good if played out correctly, but misplay, plus not fitting Fnatic's usual playstyle probably the biggest reason why it looked bad. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D I will never understand it. Because most of these games are characterized by poor play from the losers as opposed to good play from the winners. | ||
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Hagen0
Germany765 Posts
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D I will never understand it. People have higher expectation for the best team in Europe. Fnatic didn't play as well as well as they should have, it was a rare game where 2 of their 3 threats played mediocre | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D I will never understand it. For the same reason people (*cough* like you *cough*) spend all of the NA LCS thread talking about the skill level of the teams /region instead of appreciating the games for what they are? GG to [A]! Not sure I understood what Fnatic was going for there, but [A] was ALWAYS there for the counterplay or countergank. They exposed whatever Fnatic was trying to do. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 07 2014 04:27 Swords wrote: People enjoy complaining. I've been criticizing fnatic a bunch, but Alliance did a great job adapting to fnatic's weird picks that game and played it out very well. That was a nice step forward from them. I don't know if Froggen straight up shitting on Xpeke is really an "adapting". Alliance just played out laning phase better, and snowballed. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On February 07 2014 04:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Because most of these games are characterized by poor play from the losers as opposed to good play from the winners. Fnatic might play poorly than they played while they were smashing almost everyone for 2,5 weeks, but you can't play poor if opposite team don't pressure you. Millenium will stomp now, time to stop Roccat's hype train officially so they will start winning again. On February 07 2014 04:30 Takkara wrote: For the same reason people (*cough* like you *cough*) spend all of the NA LCS thread talking about the skill level of the teams /region instead of appreciating the games for what they are? I guess, i only said that you can't expect anything like SKT from NA and EU LCS. Ah, and also i said 2 weeks ago that NA LCS is a "show" in comparing to EU LCS "competition". | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 07 2014 04:30 orzeu wrote: So every toplaner in EU now is playing LB. Interesting. I want to see more of Freddy's top lane tristana. I want to believe in unorthodox toplane picks! | ||
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