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On February 07 2014 04:30 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 04:27 Swords wrote:On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D
I will never understand it. People enjoy complaining. I've been criticizing fnatic a bunch, but Alliance did a great job adapting to fnatic's weird picks that game and played it out very well. That was a nice step forward from them. I don't know if Froggen straight up shitting on Xpeke is really an "adapting". Alliance just played out laning phase better, and snowballed.
When they had sight on Cyanide top they grouped as four and made plays on dragon and botlane. A week ago Froggen would've been farming wraiths while Shook looked around for him to gank midlane.
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Prediction: Millenium gets ahead, kerp/aranae throws again. Roccat stumbles into a bizarre win
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I heard on TL that Jungle Elise is pretty bad so idk Quickshot...
/huehuehue
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On February 07 2014 04:33 Fusilero wrote:
Prediction: Millenium gets ahead, kerp/aranae throws again. Roccat stumbles into a bizarre win
Wouldn't be mad.
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On February 07 2014 04:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D
I will never understand it. Because most of these games are characterized by poor play from the losers as opposed to good play from the winners.
What is poor and what is good play is always relative and largely a matter of personal definition. People generally want to look as "pro" and knowledgable as possible, so of course they like to appear to have very high standards.
Cant commend a "mediocre" play, as that might make you look sub mediocre.
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On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D
I will never understand it.
I think because the majority of things you do correctly in this game are extremely easy to take for granted. The only time you will ever see someone (let alone multiple people) say "great positioning by [adc that played a good teamfight]" is when said adc picks up multiple kills. Numerous other things are even harder to take note of because it's kind of impossible. The really good players are going to make timings based off missing cooldowns, lane manipulation, etc. But when we give a player credit for doing that, did they? And when we don't...did they? It's genuinely hard to say.
Meanwhile, if you screw one of those things up, it's instantly noticeable. Bad positioning? You're dead. Tower dove and they flashed out 'cause it just came up 10 seconds ago? Hard to miss. Bad mechanical play? Well...just look at that last game. Peke has a few bad ults, and a few fights where *he dies before he can even ult* because he's in a position where Leona can lock him down, and all you see are comments about his bad ults. I would venture to say that the fights where he didn't even get to cast his ult were far worse for his team, but it's far more subtle failure.
While it's true that internet culture is disappointingly one of tearing others down rather than building them up, I think there's more to it than just that if you want to truly answer that question.
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On February 07 2014 04:34 asymptotech wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D
I will never understand it. I think because the majority of things you do correctly in this game are extremely easy to take for granted. The only time you will ever see someone (let alone multiple people) say "great positioning by [adc that played a good teamfight]" is when said adc picks up multiple kills. Numerous other things are even harder to take note of because it's kind of impossible. The really good players are going to make timings based off missing cooldowns, lane manipulation, etc. But when we give a player credit for doing that, did they? And when we don't...did they? It's genuinely hard to say. Meanwhile, if you screw one of those things up, it's instantly noticeable. Bad positioning? You're dead. Tower dove and they flashed out 'cause it just came up 10 seconds ago? Hard to miss. Bad mechanical play? Well...just look at that last game. Peke has a few bad ults, and a few fights where *he dies before he can even ult* because he's in a position where Leona can lock him down, and all you see are comments about his bad ults. I would venture to say that the fights where he didn't even get to cast his ult were far worse for his team, but it's far more subtle failure. While it's true that internet culture is disappointingly one of tearing others down rather than building them up, I think there's more to it than just that if you want to truly answer that question.
Or maybe, or just maybe.
xPeke, didn't get a 2nd point in E until after maxing Q and W first, against a shitty matchup.
or maybe, or just maybe.
cyanide built full retard when his team has no strong frontline, and fucked up top lane ganks a million times.
or maybe, or just maybe
xpeke didn't land a single ori ult until it was to late for fnatic to recover.
Alliance played better than they usually do, but the game was characterized by poor play from fnatic than above average play from alliance.
IMO, TL is pretty good about giving credit where credit is due.
when SKT wins their games, no one is like "oh that team played like shit, that's why SKT won". Nope, it's usually "wow, wtf SKT so good, unbeatable". Or could just be blind faker fanboism.
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Cyanide build = no free stats for trundle
Xpeke: Maxing w instead of e cause he got repeatly ganked and he need to farm
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Ghost/Flash ziggs, EU ripping off dade confirmed.
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On February 07 2014 04:42 skykh wrote:
Cyanide build = no free stats for trundle
Xpeke: Maxing w instead of e cause he got repeatly ganked and he need to farm
A 2nd point in E, doesn't make it harder for Ori to farm.
kiting ziggs is a bitch to play against, all that mobility makes him so strong.
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On February 07 2014 04:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 04:34 asymptotech wrote:On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D
I will never understand it. I think because the majority of things you do correctly in this game are extremely easy to take for granted. The only time you will ever see someone (let alone multiple people) say "great positioning by [adc that played a good teamfight]" is when said adc picks up multiple kills. Numerous other things are even harder to take note of because it's kind of impossible. The really good players are going to make timings based off missing cooldowns, lane manipulation, etc. But when we give a player credit for doing that, did they? And when we don't...did they? It's genuinely hard to say. Meanwhile, if you screw one of those things up, it's instantly noticeable. Bad positioning? You're dead. Tower dove and they flashed out 'cause it just came up 10 seconds ago? Hard to miss. Bad mechanical play? Well...just look at that last game. Peke has a few bad ults, and a few fights where *he dies before he can even ult* because he's in a position where Leona can lock him down, and all you see are comments about his bad ults. I would venture to say that the fights where he didn't even get to cast his ult were far worse for his team, but it's far more subtle failure. While it's true that internet culture is disappointingly one of tearing others down rather than building them up, I think there's more to it than just that if you want to truly answer that question. Or maybe, or just maybe. xPeke, didn't get a 2nd point in E until after maxing Q and W first, against a shitty matchup. or maybe, or just maybe. cyanide built full retard when his team has no strong frontline, and fucked up top lane ganks a million times. or maybe, or just maybe xpeke didn't land a single ori ult until it was to late for fnatic to recover. Alliance played better than they usually do, but the game was characterized by poor play from fnatic than above average play from alliance. IMO, TL is pretty good about giving credit where credit is due. when SKT wins their games, no one is like "oh that team played like shit, that's why SKT won". Nope, it's usually "wow, wtf SKT so good, unbeatable". Or could just be blind faker fanboism.
I think TL is best at giving credit when a team approaches the performance we expect from "optimal play". When two flawed teams play a game, and one team wins by surpassing their usual flaws or better taking advantage of opponent flaws, then TL shits on the losing team because they don't want to say the winning team did well (they didn't, 'objectively'), they want to say the losing team was just worse than the opponent.
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I played trist and beat craton today with it I claim its my pick! :D
On a more serious note I dont like relic shield on thresh at all
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On February 07 2014 04:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 04:34 asymptotech wrote:On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D
I will never understand it. I think because the majority of things you do correctly in this game are extremely easy to take for granted. The only time you will ever see someone (let alone multiple people) say "great positioning by [adc that played a good teamfight]" is when said adc picks up multiple kills. Numerous other things are even harder to take note of because it's kind of impossible. The really good players are going to make timings based off missing cooldowns, lane manipulation, etc. But when we give a player credit for doing that, did they? And when we don't...did they? It's genuinely hard to say. Meanwhile, if you screw one of those things up, it's instantly noticeable. Bad positioning? You're dead. Tower dove and they flashed out 'cause it just came up 10 seconds ago? Hard to miss. Bad mechanical play? Well...just look at that last game. Peke has a few bad ults, and a few fights where *he dies before he can even ult* because he's in a position where Leona can lock him down, and all you see are comments about his bad ults. I would venture to say that the fights where he didn't even get to cast his ult were far worse for his team, but it's far more subtle failure. While it's true that internet culture is disappointingly one of tearing others down rather than building them up, I think there's more to it than just that if you want to truly answer that question. Or maybe, or just maybe. xPeke, didn't get a 2nd point in E until after maxing Q and W first, against a shitty matchup. or maybe, or just maybe. cyanide built full retard when his team has no strong frontline, and fucked up top lane ganks a million times. or maybe, or just maybe xpeke didn't land a single ori ult until it was to late for fnatic to recover. Alliance played better than they usually do, but the game was characterized by poor play from fnatic than above average play from alliance. IMO, TL is pretty good about giving credit where credit is due. when SKT wins their games, no one is like "oh that team played like shit, that's why SKT won". Nope, it's usually "wow, wtf SKT so good, unbeatable". Or could just be blind faker fanboism.
Yeah taht is because you are "allowed" to fanboy for Korean plays. Take a replay of SKT, play it as live with the names of some NA team (except TSM) on their heads, and watch how the reactions to the plays are completely different.
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Did Vander miss the flay there?
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On February 07 2014 04:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 04:34 asymptotech wrote:On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D
I will never understand it. I think because the majority of things you do correctly in this game are extremely easy to take for granted. The only time you will ever see someone (let alone multiple people) say "great positioning by [adc that played a good teamfight]" is when said adc picks up multiple kills. Numerous other things are even harder to take note of because it's kind of impossible. The really good players are going to make timings based off missing cooldowns, lane manipulation, etc. But when we give a player credit for doing that, did they? And when we don't...did they? It's genuinely hard to say. Meanwhile, if you screw one of those things up, it's instantly noticeable. Bad positioning? You're dead. Tower dove and they flashed out 'cause it just came up 10 seconds ago? Hard to miss. Bad mechanical play? Well...just look at that last game. Peke has a few bad ults, and a few fights where *he dies before he can even ult* because he's in a position where Leona can lock him down, and all you see are comments about his bad ults. I would venture to say that the fights where he didn't even get to cast his ult were far worse for his team, but it's far more subtle failure. While it's true that internet culture is disappointingly one of tearing others down rather than building them up, I think there's more to it than just that if you want to truly answer that question. Or maybe, or just maybe. xPeke, didn't get a 2nd point in E until after maxing Q and W first, against a shitty matchup. or maybe, or just maybe. cyanide built full retard when his team has no strong frontline, and fucked up top lane ganks a million times. or maybe, or just maybe xpeke didn't land a single ori ult until it was to late for fnatic to recover. Alliance played better than they usually do, but the game was characterized by poor play from fnatic than above average play from alliance. IMO, TL is pretty good about giving credit where credit is due. when SKT wins their games, no one is like "oh that team played like shit, that's why SKT won". Nope, it's usually "wow, wtf SKT so good, unbeatable". Or could just be blind faker fanboism.
My point was the general reaction of how ults are viewed vs positioning because of the immediate visual component. I'm not sure what strawman said that Peke played a perfect laning phase.
If the ganker and the gankee both play perfectly, does anyone die? If they both play it "75% of the way to perfect" and the gankee lives, did the ganker fuck up any more than the guy who lived? Perhaps (as it has been mentioned) Wickd simply outplayed them during the ganks?
TL is like any other mass of people. They're critics. I don't mean that negatively, it's just an objective truth of how people act.
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On February 07 2014 04:45 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 04:39 wei2coolman wrote:On February 07 2014 04:34 asymptotech wrote:On February 07 2014 04:25 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Why the fuck everytime 80% are blaming losing team instead of praising winners? :D
I will never understand it. I think because the majority of things you do correctly in this game are extremely easy to take for granted. The only time you will ever see someone (let alone multiple people) say "great positioning by [adc that played a good teamfight]" is when said adc picks up multiple kills. Numerous other things are even harder to take note of because it's kind of impossible. The really good players are going to make timings based off missing cooldowns, lane manipulation, etc. But when we give a player credit for doing that, did they? And when we don't...did they? It's genuinely hard to say. Meanwhile, if you screw one of those things up, it's instantly noticeable. Bad positioning? You're dead. Tower dove and they flashed out 'cause it just came up 10 seconds ago? Hard to miss. Bad mechanical play? Well...just look at that last game. Peke has a few bad ults, and a few fights where *he dies before he can even ult* because he's in a position where Leona can lock him down, and all you see are comments about his bad ults. I would venture to say that the fights where he didn't even get to cast his ult were far worse for his team, but it's far more subtle failure. While it's true that internet culture is disappointingly one of tearing others down rather than building them up, I think there's more to it than just that if you want to truly answer that question. Or maybe, or just maybe. xPeke, didn't get a 2nd point in E until after maxing Q and W first, against a shitty matchup. or maybe, or just maybe. cyanide built full retard when his team has no strong frontline, and fucked up top lane ganks a million times. or maybe, or just maybe xpeke didn't land a single ori ult until it was to late for fnatic to recover. Alliance played better than they usually do, but the game was characterized by poor play from fnatic than above average play from alliance. IMO, TL is pretty good about giving credit where credit is due. when SKT wins their games, no one is like "oh that team played like shit, that's why SKT won". Nope, it's usually "wow, wtf SKT so good, unbeatable". Or could just be blind faker fanboism. Yeah taht is because you are "allowed" to fanboy for Korean plays. Take a replay of SKT, play it as live with the names of some NA team (except TSM) on their heads, and watch how the reactions to the plays are completely different.
Well, just look at last weeks game of CLG vs Curse, both teams were given great amount of credit in thread.
Curse with strong early game objective centered control, vs CLG's ability to defend, and teamfight to the win.
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On February 07 2014 04:45 Swords wrote:
Did Vander miss the flay there?
He hit the flay, just did it too early so the knock up and slow never went through. (Common bug)
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can someone plz tell me picks and/or do a little bit of LR? I'm stuck in work for one more hour  please please thx in advance
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