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ketchup
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Scarra's Ryze is cringeworthy and I've literally never seen him do well with it. Thresh is easily one of Madlife's best champions. NA's decisions this set made no sense to me at all. Also, game 1 was a complete throwaway from the pick/ban. Dyrus on Diana when he's never played Diana before; it showed with him whiffing easy QR combos and missing Es. Scarra on Ryze and Scarra never does well on Ryze, even in NA LCS. Then they give Rumble/Thresh away to KR. Really really sad. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
"Madlife is best Thresh in the world" | ||
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VirtuallyJesse
United States398 Posts
On May 26 2013 13:58 affinity wrote: Ugh, the korean spectator is so much better than the NA spectator. Half the time the NA spectator misses half the play where the korean spectator sees the play coming up and catches EVERYTHING. Like, even when dlift was 1v1ing ambition while there was a fight going on at NA's top inhib, he managed to catch ambition's flash-w and go back immediately to the fight. lol? NA doesn't have a spectator, they use the auto camera director. The only time they go manual is to set up a split push picture in picture or something. But yeah, it's lazy and shit. | ||
Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On May 26 2013 13:57 onlywonderboy wrote: Mancloud is a beast. I would have been hesitant sending him here because he doesn't have much (any?) experience against foreign Mid laners. Although I guess that didn't do Scarra much good. Scarra did fine Game 2 of KR vs NA (outside of lane being frozen by Ambition because of the early tower push bot and suffering CS-wise), and his Karthus play vs EU was solid (he was overshadowed by Dlift Game 2, but Scarra played the zone game excellently). In general though, Scarra relies as much on his team (particularly Crumbzz) to draw pressure for him, which isn't as possible on the Allstars team with Dlift being the star/farm priority. The issue is that of NA mids, there aren't many (possible) choices, since NA dominance by 3 teams prior to LCS and streaming prominence means only a few players would realistically have a chance of being voted in, with some gems from the newer ones being passed over for inexperience (like Bloodwater/Patoy for support; even though Xpecial was probably MVP vs CN, I feel Patoy could've been more consistent with some of the Sona ultis the last vs KR, and generally performs better/more consistently). Like the giant skew towards SV and TOO, with Crumbz (who honestly is one of the major factors that gets Dig going with his tremendous early game pressure) in a distant third. Don't get me wrong, NA did well and met my expectations/predictions (unlike everyone else saying EU was gonna win :p ), and the NA scene is definitely on the up and up comparatively (amateur scene needs more support, but LCS has been so critical to breaking TSM/CLG/Dig dominance). On May 26 2013 14:05 ketchup wrote: I believe earlier in this thread, someone mentioned NA shotcalling. I believe it is a huge part of the reason why NA's potential isn't reached. It barely worked with EU All-stars because EU was a broken team with teamwork/leadership issues. I feel NA has some serious lack of proper game knowledge for the players who are making the calls. A lot of the in-game mistakes could have easily been avoided if NA's game knowledge was at a higher level. Might've been better if they had Regi/Bloodwater/Crumbzz to do the shotcalling instead of SV, but that's hindsight for youl. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 26 2013 14:01 JerKy wrote: imo, NA players (and perhaps EU as well) need to care less about things like streaming and being community personalities; needa buckle down and start practicing hardcore, much like the way eastern teams do If a team manages to do this they'll probably become #1 in NA. But I don't know if it'd be worth it in terms of monetary gain. Like I can't imagine winning NA LCS and getting a spot in worlds can compete with the money that TSM or CLG draw in by being personalities and streaming a lot. And it's unlikely a singular team could become good enough to place highly in worlds if every other team in the region is bad. People will cite TPA but that was always a stupid example considering that TPA scrims (or at least used to) with Chinese and Korean teams with low ping. What would really help, and they wouldn't even need to give up streaming and being personalities to do this, would be for a team to suffer through the lag and scrim Koreans. I dunno if Korean teams would even be willing to do it and I doubt many NA teams could arrange it (or would want to due to high ping) but that'd honestly be the best way to improve. Scrim as many Asian teams as you can even with your high ping. Early Koreans did it to scrim with the, at the time, stronger NA and EU teams. On May 26 2013 14:02 Amui wrote: The thing is, if NA had a 6th person behind them calling shots, I legitimately think they could've taken both games off of china because of how insanely well Dlift was playing. Individually though, apart from bot lane, they NEED to work on decisionmaking, mechanics, and laning. They need to work on laning. PraY/Madlife was a stronger lane than Double/Xpecial. Madlife is just too good and Pray was able to just play Caitlyn and farm up an advantage both games (although Double did manage to catch back up to Pray in CS so that was encouraging). Like I think they did really good. Certainly the two best NA players there. Doublelift looked better than any of the other ADCs at this tournament thus far IMO and showed a lot of depth with how many ADCs he played. Xpecial looked great and if God himself wasn't there he probably would've been the best support player of the event. But both still have a lot to improve on. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On May 26 2013 14:06 VirtuallyJesse wrote: lol? NA doesn't have a spectator, they use the auto camera director. The only time they go manual is to set up a split push picture in picture or something. But yeah, it's lazy and shit. They DO have a spectator/observer. It's not directed mode. At least, the last time I checked, they definitely had a dedicated spectator. The guess I have is that for some unknown reason, they changed the observer OR the observer is now tired of doing it. This is the only reason to explain how sloppy it has gotten in the past few weeks/months | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
On May 26 2013 14:05 ketchup wrote: I believe earlier in this thread, someone mentioned NA shotcalling. I believe it is a huge part of the reason why NA's potential isn't reached. It barely worked with EU All-stars because EU was a broken team with teamwork/leadership issues. I feel NA has some serious lack of proper game knowledge for the players who are making the calls. A lot of the in-game mistakes could have easily been avoided if NA's game knowledge was at a higher level. The biggest thing we could have worked on more was knowing how to close games beside relying on 6 item Doublelift. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
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Sajaki
Canada1135 Posts
Its just sad that we didn't get to see more traditional dyrus picks for day 3. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On May 26 2013 14:09 caelym wrote: The biggest thing we could have worked on more was knowing how to close games beside relying on 6 item Doublelift. If you get the chance to work with a team in the long term, I would seriously have high hopes for it. I know you didn't have enough time in terms of planning(for All Stars), but a long term caelym-backed team would be amazing. I hope it works out for you/ NA realizes they need someone like you. | ||
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divinesage
Singapore649 Posts
Better mechanics and smoother play than the NA vs EU games. Less flashy because people don't make as much glaring mistakes. At least watch the first 15 minutes or so, it showcases SEA's aggressive early game, the most aggressive of all the metas in the world. | ||
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VirtuallyJesse
United States398 Posts
On May 26 2013 14:08 ketchup wrote: They DO have a spectator/observer. It's not directed mode. At least, the last time I checked, they definitely had a dedicated spectator. The guess I have is that for some unknown reason, they changed the observer OR the observer is now tired of doing it. This is the only reason to explain how sloppy it has gotten in the past few weeks/months Difference between NA and KR: one has a mouse cursor on the screen, the other does not. Trust me, it's directed.  | ||
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thefreed
United States222 Posts
On May 26 2013 14:07 overt wrote: If a team manages to do this they'll probably become #1 in NA. But I don't know if it'd be worth it in terms of monetary gain. Like I can't imagine winning NA LCS and getting a spot in worlds can compete with the money that TSM or CLG draw in by being personalities and streaming a lot. And it's unlikely a singular team could become good enough to place highly in worlds if every other team in the region is bad. People will cite TPA but that was always a stupid example considering that TPA scrims (or at least used to) with Chinese and Korean teams with low ping. What would really help, and they wouldn't even need to give up streaming and being personalities to do this, would be for a team to suffer through the lag and scrim Koreans. I dunno if Korean teams would even be willing to do it and I doubt many NA teams could arrange it (or would want to due to high ping) but that'd honestly be the best way to improve. Scrim as many Asian teams as you can even with your high ping. Early Koreans did it to scrim with the, at the time, stronger NA and EU teams. They need to work on laning. PraY/Madlife was a stronger lane than Double/Xpecial. Madlife is just too good and Pray was able to just play Caitlyn and farm up an advantage both games (although Double did manage to catch back up to Pray in CS so that was encouraging). Like I think they did really good. Certainly the two best NA players there. Doublelift looked better than any of the other ADCs at this tournament thus far IMO and showed a lot of depth with how many ADCs he played. Xpecial looked great and if God himself wasn't there he probably would've been the best support player of the event. But both still have a lot to improve on. honestly what your saying is true, Cj blaze and frost when they first got made, tried to look for scrims, and they had a hard time finding scrims back then. Cause Korea was not known at all for LOL. That's why they made Blaze I heard to scrim each other. Anyway Korea doesn't scrim against Taiwan, and I don't think they even do it with China. CloudTemplar said they have no idea how strong Garena is these days. and When they were scrimming in shang hai with korean teams the pings were like 120-200 so they got beat a lot. the pings just doesn't work NA teams would have to go to Korea or something. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
On May 26 2013 14:11 ketchup wrote: If you get the chance to work with a team in the long term, I would seriously have high hopes for it. I know you didn't have enough time in terms of planning(for All Stars), but a long term caelym-backed team would be amazing. I hope it works out for you/ NA realizes they need someone like you. thanks for your kind words | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
But yeah, I think that if an NA team is really serious about becoming just as good as Koreans they need to man up and find a way to scrim Koreans even with really high ping. | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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United States23455 Posts
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