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i think NA will never catch up until the infrastructure changes
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On March 18 2013 14:30 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:54 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:18 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 12:05 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:03 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 11:47 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 18 2013 11:41 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 11:35 HolyToss1911 wrote:
Gambit does looks like they can take on the koreans. just not win, 2 bo 3s in a row lost, and 1 of those wasnt even to a winner of the tourney. if only they had worthy teams in europe to practice with. they should start a sister team like koreans Despite losing to Frost at the IEM World Championship, Gambit beat both Frost/Blaze at Katowice just a couple months ago. in e-sports that an eternity ago, teams rise and fall in a couple month period. i truly think that lack of good practice partners in EU and NA scene (best connection to those servers) will hinder gambit greatly and they will start losing to koreans that are less talented but had much better practice. Fnatic is the only other team that in theory is comparable to a mid tier korean team. I'm sorry but that is bs as hell. KT B is talented as f.uck and if you don't recognize that you are blind. InSec is some dude who literally played with friends from LanCafe to join this team like two month ago (or less). Similarly GG losing to Blaze with Flame who played the game a grand total of five month. The fact that you are underselling Koreans in such a degree is ridiculous and ethnocentric. In addition, you are taking best out of threes way too seriously. (Especially because the last game was a really poor showing from GG who had the game in an advantage mid game.) Did you even read? i said nothing about KT B being less talented... i am talking about the future, the long run. GG lost to FROST not blaze. Blaze won the whole tourney with out facing gambit in bo3. How am i underseling koreans at all? every race is equally talented to think other wise is stupid, the difference is in the practice Personally I think you're overcompensating or taking it hard that there just may be players that are talented in various regions. You vastly undersell that talent does make a difference in this game. Gambit Gaming is naturally talented at this game. Similarly, I think at the moment, Asia does have the most newly discovered talent on the scene at the moment. They have players that go from 4-5 month of learning the game to competing with (if not topping) many of the current EU/NA players who've been playing for like five times that amount. As people mentioned earlier, if anything EU's scene had one of the best practice regimes and was the place to effectively be at that time. They obviously have noticeable players just as NA does. (Ex for NA, Doublelift, ex for EU, Alex lch). However, decrying that some of the best Koreans teams are only that way because of their practice regimes and that other regions don't get a fair shake is frankly sour grapes. I think the SC2 scene, where a few teams have gaming houses where they train for online tournaments and a LAN or two every month, is a lot different than the LCS scene that Riot has set up. Where every single team has a team house and is training every day for a league they play in every week. The team's that take vacation time and slack off will start dropping lots of games to the "inexperienced" teams whereas the teams that take it seriously and practice every day are gonna end up dominating their respective LCS. Korea is ahead for sure but give it a year or two of LCS and teams will probably start to catch up.
Ya right buddy. Koreans were behind years in this game and they caught up and surged forward in months, just like they've done in every competitive game that became popular there. This is a complete joke, the gap only gets bigger.
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On March 18 2013 14:30 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:54 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:18 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 12:05 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:03 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 11:47 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 18 2013 11:41 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 11:35 HolyToss1911 wrote:
Gambit does looks like they can take on the koreans. just not win, 2 bo 3s in a row lost, and 1 of those wasnt even to a winner of the tourney. if only they had worthy teams in europe to practice with. they should start a sister team like koreans Despite losing to Frost at the IEM World Championship, Gambit beat both Frost/Blaze at Katowice just a couple months ago. in e-sports that an eternity ago, teams rise and fall in a couple month period. i truly think that lack of good practice partners in EU and NA scene (best connection to those servers) will hinder gambit greatly and they will start losing to koreans that are less talented but had much better practice. Fnatic is the only other team that in theory is comparable to a mid tier korean team. I'm sorry but that is bs as hell. KT B is talented as f.uck and if you don't recognize that you are blind. InSec is some dude who literally played with friends from LanCafe to join this team like two month ago (or less). Similarly GG losing to Blaze with Flame who played the game a grand total of five month. The fact that you are underselling Koreans in such a degree is ridiculous and ethnocentric. In addition, you are taking best out of threes way too seriously. (Especially because the last game was a really poor showing from GG who had the game in an advantage mid game.) Did you even read? i said nothing about KT B being less talented... i am talking about the future, the long run. GG lost to FROST not blaze. Blaze won the whole tourney with out facing gambit in bo3. How am i underseling koreans at all? every race is equally talented to think other wise is stupid, the difference is in the practice Personally I think you're overcompensating or taking it hard that there just may be players that are talented in various regions. You vastly undersell that talent does make a difference in this game. Gambit Gaming is naturally talented at this game. Similarly, I think at the moment, Asia does have the most newly discovered talent on the scene at the moment. They have players that go from 4-5 month of learning the game to competing with (if not topping) many of the current EU/NA players who've been playing for like five times that amount. As people mentioned earlier, if anything EU's scene had one of the best practice regimes and was the place to effectively be at that time. They obviously have noticeable players just as NA does. (Ex for NA, Doublelift, ex for EU, Alex lch). However, decrying that some of the best Koreans teams are only that way because of their practice regimes and that other regions don't get a fair shake is frankly sour grapes. I think the SC2 scene, where a few teams have gaming houses where they train for online tournaments and a LAN or two every month, is a lot different than the LCS scene that Riot has set up. Where every single team has a team house and is training every day for a league they play in every week. The team's that take vacation time and slack off will start dropping lots of games to the "inexperienced" teams whereas the teams that take it seriously and practice every day are gonna end up dominating their respective LCS. Korea is ahead for sure but give it a year or two of LCS and teams will probably start to catch up.
The biggest issue that I see with NA and EU catching up to Asia, is the limited interaction they have with it. Look at MLG. The only interaction NA had with anybody was Dig and CRS getting 2-0ed.
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On March 18 2013 15:26 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 14:30 overt wrote:On March 18 2013 13:54 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:18 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 12:05 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:03 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 11:47 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 18 2013 11:41 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 11:35 HolyToss1911 wrote:
Gambit does looks like they can take on the koreans. just not win, 2 bo 3s in a row lost, and 1 of those wasnt even to a winner of the tourney. if only they had worthy teams in europe to practice with. they should start a sister team like koreans Despite losing to Frost at the IEM World Championship, Gambit beat both Frost/Blaze at Katowice just a couple months ago. in e-sports that an eternity ago, teams rise and fall in a couple month period. i truly think that lack of good practice partners in EU and NA scene (best connection to those servers) will hinder gambit greatly and they will start losing to koreans that are less talented but had much better practice. Fnatic is the only other team that in theory is comparable to a mid tier korean team. I'm sorry but that is bs as hell. KT B is talented as f.uck and if you don't recognize that you are blind. InSec is some dude who literally played with friends from LanCafe to join this team like two month ago (or less). Similarly GG losing to Blaze with Flame who played the game a grand total of five month. The fact that you are underselling Koreans in such a degree is ridiculous and ethnocentric. In addition, you are taking best out of threes way too seriously. (Especially because the last game was a really poor showing from GG who had the game in an advantage mid game.) Did you even read? i said nothing about KT B being less talented... i am talking about the future, the long run. GG lost to FROST not blaze. Blaze won the whole tourney with out facing gambit in bo3. How am i underseling koreans at all? every race is equally talented to think other wise is stupid, the difference is in the practice Personally I think you're overcompensating or taking it hard that there just may be players that are talented in various regions. You vastly undersell that talent does make a difference in this game. Gambit Gaming is naturally talented at this game. Similarly, I think at the moment, Asia does have the most newly discovered talent on the scene at the moment. They have players that go from 4-5 month of learning the game to competing with (if not topping) many of the current EU/NA players who've been playing for like five times that amount. As people mentioned earlier, if anything EU's scene had one of the best practice regimes and was the place to effectively be at that time. They obviously have noticeable players just as NA does. (Ex for NA, Doublelift, ex for EU, Alex lch). However, decrying that some of the best Koreans teams are only that way because of their practice regimes and that other regions don't get a fair shake is frankly sour grapes. I think the SC2 scene, where a few teams have gaming houses where they train for online tournaments and a LAN or two every month, is a lot different than the LCS scene that Riot has set up. Where every single team has a team house and is training every day for a league they play in every week. The team's that take vacation time and slack off will start dropping lots of games to the "inexperienced" teams whereas the teams that take it seriously and practice every day are gonna end up dominating their respective LCS. Korea is ahead for sure but give it a year or two of LCS and teams will probably start to catch up. Ya right buddy. Koreans were behind years in this game and they caught up and surged forward in months, just like they've done in every competitive game that became popular there. This is a complete joke, the gap only gets bigger.
It's not as if the Koreans had to start from scratch though, they didn't have to go through a lot of the development early LoL teams did, because it had already happened. It's similar to Kespa and SC2, the metagame was already defined, so Kespa just had to catch up in mechanics. I still think Korea is going to grow their lead, but I don't think your argument is the reason why.
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On March 18 2013 15:28 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 14:30 overt wrote:On March 18 2013 13:54 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:18 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 12:05 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:03 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 11:47 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 18 2013 11:41 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 11:35 HolyToss1911 wrote:
Gambit does looks like they can take on the koreans. just not win, 2 bo 3s in a row lost, and 1 of those wasnt even to a winner of the tourney. if only they had worthy teams in europe to practice with. they should start a sister team like koreans Despite losing to Frost at the IEM World Championship, Gambit beat both Frost/Blaze at Katowice just a couple months ago. in e-sports that an eternity ago, teams rise and fall in a couple month period. i truly think that lack of good practice partners in EU and NA scene (best connection to those servers) will hinder gambit greatly and they will start losing to koreans that are less talented but had much better practice. Fnatic is the only other team that in theory is comparable to a mid tier korean team. I'm sorry but that is bs as hell. KT B is talented as f.uck and if you don't recognize that you are blind. InSec is some dude who literally played with friends from LanCafe to join this team like two month ago (or less). Similarly GG losing to Blaze with Flame who played the game a grand total of five month. The fact that you are underselling Koreans in such a degree is ridiculous and ethnocentric. In addition, you are taking best out of threes way too seriously. (Especially because the last game was a really poor showing from GG who had the game in an advantage mid game.) Did you even read? i said nothing about KT B being less talented... i am talking about the future, the long run. GG lost to FROST not blaze. Blaze won the whole tourney with out facing gambit in bo3. How am i underseling koreans at all? every race is equally talented to think other wise is stupid, the difference is in the practice Personally I think you're overcompensating or taking it hard that there just may be players that are talented in various regions. You vastly undersell that talent does make a difference in this game. Gambit Gaming is naturally talented at this game. Similarly, I think at the moment, Asia does have the most newly discovered talent on the scene at the moment. They have players that go from 4-5 month of learning the game to competing with (if not topping) many of the current EU/NA players who've been playing for like five times that amount. As people mentioned earlier, if anything EU's scene had one of the best practice regimes and was the place to effectively be at that time. They obviously have noticeable players just as NA does. (Ex for NA, Doublelift, ex for EU, Alex lch). However, decrying that some of the best Koreans teams are only that way because of their practice regimes and that other regions don't get a fair shake is frankly sour grapes. I think the SC2 scene, where a few teams have gaming houses where they train for online tournaments and a LAN or two every month, is a lot different than the LCS scene that Riot has set up. Where every single team has a team house and is training every day for a league they play in every week. The team's that take vacation time and slack off will start dropping lots of games to the "inexperienced" teams whereas the teams that take it seriously and practice every day are gonna end up dominating their respective LCS. Korea is ahead for sure but give it a year or two of LCS and teams will probably start to catch up. The biggest issue that I see with NA and EU catching up to Asia, is the limited interaction they have with it. Look at MLG. The only interaction NA had with anybody was Dig and CRS getting 2-0ed.
Disagree, eu and na can improve in isolation. The only issue is if the eu/na scene will take it to the same level of commitment as asian scene
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On March 18 2013 15:51 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 15:28 Gahlo wrote:On March 18 2013 14:30 overt wrote:On March 18 2013 13:54 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:18 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 12:05 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:03 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 11:47 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 18 2013 11:41 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 11:35 HolyToss1911 wrote:
Gambit does looks like they can take on the koreans. just not win, 2 bo 3s in a row lost, and 1 of those wasnt even to a winner of the tourney. if only they had worthy teams in europe to practice with. they should start a sister team like koreans Despite losing to Frost at the IEM World Championship, Gambit beat both Frost/Blaze at Katowice just a couple months ago. in e-sports that an eternity ago, teams rise and fall in a couple month period. i truly think that lack of good practice partners in EU and NA scene (best connection to those servers) will hinder gambit greatly and they will start losing to koreans that are less talented but had much better practice. Fnatic is the only other team that in theory is comparable to a mid tier korean team. I'm sorry but that is bs as hell. KT B is talented as f.uck and if you don't recognize that you are blind. InSec is some dude who literally played with friends from LanCafe to join this team like two month ago (or less). Similarly GG losing to Blaze with Flame who played the game a grand total of five month. The fact that you are underselling Koreans in such a degree is ridiculous and ethnocentric. In addition, you are taking best out of threes way too seriously. (Especially because the last game was a really poor showing from GG who had the game in an advantage mid game.) Did you even read? i said nothing about KT B being less talented... i am talking about the future, the long run. GG lost to FROST not blaze. Blaze won the whole tourney with out facing gambit in bo3. How am i underseling koreans at all? every race is equally talented to think other wise is stupid, the difference is in the practice Personally I think you're overcompensating or taking it hard that there just may be players that are talented in various regions. You vastly undersell that talent does make a difference in this game. Gambit Gaming is naturally talented at this game. Similarly, I think at the moment, Asia does have the most newly discovered talent on the scene at the moment. They have players that go from 4-5 month of learning the game to competing with (if not topping) many of the current EU/NA players who've been playing for like five times that amount. As people mentioned earlier, if anything EU's scene had one of the best practice regimes and was the place to effectively be at that time. They obviously have noticeable players just as NA does. (Ex for NA, Doublelift, ex for EU, Alex lch). However, decrying that some of the best Koreans teams are only that way because of their practice regimes and that other regions don't get a fair shake is frankly sour grapes. I think the SC2 scene, where a few teams have gaming houses where they train for online tournaments and a LAN or two every month, is a lot different than the LCS scene that Riot has set up. Where every single team has a team house and is training every day for a league they play in every week. The team's that take vacation time and slack off will start dropping lots of games to the "inexperienced" teams whereas the teams that take it seriously and practice every day are gonna end up dominating their respective LCS. Korea is ahead for sure but give it a year or two of LCS and teams will probably start to catch up. The biggest issue that I see with NA and EU catching up to Asia, is the limited interaction they have with it. Look at MLG. The only interaction NA had with anybody was Dig and CRS getting 2-0ed. Disagree, eu and na can improve in isolation. The only issue is if the eu scene will take it to the same level of commitment as asian scene
Fixed for you!
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On March 18 2013 15:53 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 15:51 wei2coolman wrote:On March 18 2013 15:28 Gahlo wrote:On March 18 2013 14:30 overt wrote:On March 18 2013 13:54 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:18 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 12:05 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 12:03 Pirat6662001 wrote:On March 18 2013 11:47 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 18 2013 11:41 Pirat6662001 wrote:
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just not win, 2 bo 3s in a row lost, and 1 of those wasnt even to a winner of the tourney. if only they had worthy teams in europe to practice with. they should start a sister team like koreans Despite losing to Frost at the IEM World Championship, Gambit beat both Frost/Blaze at Katowice just a couple months ago. in e-sports that an eternity ago, teams rise and fall in a couple month period. i truly think that lack of good practice partners in EU and NA scene (best connection to those servers) will hinder gambit greatly and they will start losing to koreans that are less talented but had much better practice. Fnatic is the only other team that in theory is comparable to a mid tier korean team. I'm sorry but that is bs as hell. KT B is talented as f.uck and if you don't recognize that you are blind. InSec is some dude who literally played with friends from LanCafe to join this team like two month ago (or less). Similarly GG losing to Blaze with Flame who played the game a grand total of five month. The fact that you are underselling Koreans in such a degree is ridiculous and ethnocentric. In addition, you are taking best out of threes way too seriously. (Especially because the last game was a really poor showing from GG who had the game in an advantage mid game.) Did you even read? i said nothing about KT B being less talented... i am talking about the future, the long run. GG lost to FROST not blaze. Blaze won the whole tourney with out facing gambit in bo3. How am i underseling koreans at all? every race is equally talented to think other wise is stupid, the difference is in the practice Personally I think you're overcompensating or taking it hard that there just may be players that are talented in various regions. You vastly undersell that talent does make a difference in this game. Gambit Gaming is naturally talented at this game. Similarly, I think at the moment, Asia does have the most newly discovered talent on the scene at the moment. They have players that go from 4-5 month of learning the game to competing with (if not topping) many of the current EU/NA players who've been playing for like five times that amount. As people mentioned earlier, if anything EU's scene had one of the best practice regimes and was the place to effectively be at that time. They obviously have noticeable players just as NA does. (Ex for NA, Doublelift, ex for EU, Alex lch). However, decrying that some of the best Koreans teams are only that way because of their practice regimes and that other regions don't get a fair shake is frankly sour grapes. I think the SC2 scene, where a few teams have gaming houses where they train for online tournaments and a LAN or two every month, is a lot different than the LCS scene that Riot has set up. Where every single team has a team house and is training every day for a league they play in every week. The team's that take vacation time and slack off will start dropping lots of games to the "inexperienced" teams whereas the teams that take it seriously and practice every day are gonna end up dominating their respective LCS. Korea is ahead for sure but give it a year or two of LCS and teams will probably start to catch up. The biggest issue that I see with NA and EU catching up to Asia, is the limited interaction they have with it. Look at MLG. The only interaction NA had with anybody was Dig and CRS getting 2-0ed. Disagree, eu and na can improve in isolation. The only issue is if the eu scene will take it to the same level of commitment as asian scene Fixed for you!
HURR, you're so funny! GG beats Dig, must mean EU>NA, and NA has absolutely no potential.
I think a lot of the power difference that does appear now in S3, has to do with the nerf to ADC's. NA still produces a majority of top ADC players in comparison to their international counterpart (with exception of China). Aggressive ADC play is punished much more heavily now.
Not to make excuses for either Dig or Curse; but they did have to prep for other games for LCS this weekend, other than the showmatch/exhibition matches.
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There's an interview with Locodoco who laughed off this notion that North American teams have it hard since they don't have high quality practice partners, he mentioned how Koreans (save for those who played on the NA server like Maknoon) had no idea on how to play the game, and had to catch up fast by learning from famous non-Koreans. That meant studying their play intensely, trying to play against them even if they look down on you, playing at uncomfortable hours just for the chance to learn from players more skilled than you are. Things were infinately harder for the Koreans. Don't blame it on practice, or try to discredit Korean success by telling yourself that they had "better practice". The likes of Fnatic, CLG and Gambit Gaming had better practice for months, if not years. Now that Korean LoL e-sports scene has been established, of course they have it "easier", but with the right dedication ANY team can be the best. The scene Europe has now has vastly more population, better level of skill and experience of the game than Korea had just a year ago.
Just want to requote this as its important... Soo many na/eu "will catch up", or "koreans are overrated", "koreans have it easy" etc, etc supporters keep missing the fine line... Its the hard work and dedication... Locodoco has mentioned when they were behind, they dealt with the 150-200ping disadvantage to learn, for any chance to practice vs any na/eu team. There were no sponsers, no money coming in at the time, they practiced and worked hard to get to where they are.
Fast forward to today, Now that the tables have turned, what has the NA scene done... other then make excuses... When its all said and done, the level of dedication and work ethics DOES NOT exist in the NA scene, despite all these "pro" teams stating that they are scriming, and working on there game play, trust me by korean or asian standards, its more then laughable, a child sitting at a internet cafe, theory crafting with his friends, and trying to get better at solo Q probably shows more dedication then most NA pro teams.
All you ever see with NA teams is excuses upon excuses, and everything they say turns into an excuse because they dont do anything about it other then QQ'ing.
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On March 18 2013 16:07 Arbax wrote:Show nested quote +There's an interview with Locodoco who laughed off this notion that North American teams have it hard since they don't have high quality practice partners, he mentioned how Koreans (save for those who played on the NA server like Maknoon) had no idea on how to play the game, and had to catch up fast by learning from famous non-Koreans. That meant studying their play intensely, trying to play against them even if they look down on you, playing at uncomfortable hours just for the chance to learn from players more skilled than you are. Things were infinately harder for the Koreans. Don't blame it on practice, or try to discredit Korean success by telling yourself that they had "better practice". The likes of Fnatic, CLG and Gambit Gaming had better practice for months, if not years. Now that Korean LoL e-sports scene has been established, of course they have it "easier", but with the right dedication ANY team can be the best. The scene Europe has now has vastly more population, better level of skill and experience of the game than Korea had just a year ago. Just want to requote this as its important... Soo many na/eu "will catch up", or "koreans are overrated", "koreans have it easy" etc, etc supporters keep missing the fine line... Its the hard work and dedication... Locodoco has mentioned when they were behind, they dealt with the 150-200ping disadvantage to learn, for any chance to practice vs any na/eu team. There were no sponsers, no money coming in at the time, they practiced and worked hard to get to where they are. Fast forward to today, Now that the tables have turned, what has the NA scene done... other then make excuses... When its all said and done, the level of dedication and work ethics DOES NOT exist in the NA scene, despite all these "pro" teams stating that they are scriming, and working on there game play, trust me by korean or asian standards, its more then laughable, a child sitting at a internet cafe, theory crafting with his friends, and trying to get better at solo Q probably shows more dedication then most NA pro teams. All you ever see with NA teams is excuses upon excuses, and everything they say turns into an excuse because they dont do anything about it other then QQ'ing.
Though, I do agree this applies to a lot of NA teams, Curse is not one of those teams (that's why I fanboi um super hard). They're one of the few NA teams that are putting in the fucking hours into it (effective hours).
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I don't know why people don't realize in Asia, they talent scout all the time. Meanwhile you got these glory day oldies on our teams like HsGG who hasn't been relevant for like ever. Let's not even mention TSM's stagnant lineup for like ever.
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On March 18 2013 16:43 KissBlade wrote:
I don't know why people don't realize in Asia, they talent scout all the time. Meanwhile you got these glory day oldies on our teams like HsGG who hasn't been relevant for like ever. Let's not even mention TSM's stagnant lineup for like ever.
QFT. Even the Euro teams adapt and cycle the teams somewhat. The trainingregimes are just Asia > EU > NA atm, and it shows.
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On March 18 2013 16:43 KissBlade wrote:
I don't know why people don't realize in Asia, they talent scout all the time. Meanwhile you got these glory day oldies on our teams like HsGG who hasn't been relevant for like ever. Let's not even mention TSM's stagnant lineup for like ever.
Maybe that will improve with teams picking up B teams now.
EDIT: Somebody has been making these on Reddit, so I thought I'd post it. Interesting to see who is picking up wins where. How has MRN and Complexity not played a SINGLE GAME against each other?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6rpQanU.png)
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On March 18 2013 17:29 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 16:43 KissBlade wrote:
I don't know why people don't realize in Asia, they talent scout all the time. Meanwhile you got these glory day oldies on our teams like HsGG who hasn't been relevant for like ever. Let's not even mention TSM's stagnant lineup for like ever. Maybe that will improve with teams picking up B teams now. EDIT: Somebody has been making these on Reddit, so I thought I'd post it. Interesting to see who is picking up wins where. How has MRN and Complexity not played a SINGLE GAME against each other?
I don't think the chart is that interesting... The top teams are in the green, while bottom teams are in the red. There are upsets here and here but the distribution seems random. TSM and CLG really need to step it up because it looks like ezmode for Dig and Curse.
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On March 18 2013 19:31 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 17:29 Gahlo wrote:On March 18 2013 16:43 KissBlade wrote:
I don't know why people don't realize in Asia, they talent scout all the time. Meanwhile you got these glory day oldies on our teams like HsGG who hasn't been relevant for like ever. Let's not even mention TSM's stagnant lineup for like ever. Maybe that will improve with teams picking up B teams now. EDIT: Somebody has been making these on Reddit, so I thought I'd post it. Interesting to see who is picking up wins where. How has MRN and Complexity not played a SINGLE GAME against each other? I don't think the chart is that interesting... The top teams are in the green, while bottom teams are in the red. There are upsets here and here but the distribution seems random. TSM and CLG really need to step it up because it looks like ezmode for Dig and Curse.
I think(haven't checked the older charts since they came out) that they are ordered 1-8 as the ranking conclude so it works as a leaderboard while still having the heads up distributions.
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On March 18 2013 11:50 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 11:41 Tula wrote:
Still scratching my head about that strange baron fight. They could have finished the baron and backed out (at least I think they could have) instead they waffled back and forth and threw the game away... Don't get me wrong, Darien moving out of the pit to zone insec was right, but why Alex decided to jump over instead of helping to kill the baron was a strange call.
Also Alex please learn how to build Zed, Black cleaver is so much worse than last whisper on him... You're thinking mega-selfishly. Gambit was running all physical damage. They needed Cleaver for the shred, not just individual damage. Yes, LW is more individual damage. That doesn't help Renekton MF and Udyr. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 11:51 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 11:49 sylverfyre wrote:On March 18 2013 11:44 KissBlade wrote:On March 18 2013 11:41 Tula wrote:
Still scratching my head about that strange baron fight. They could have finished the baron and backed out (at least I think they could have) instead they waffled back and forth and threw the game away... Don't get me wrong, Darien moving out of the pit to zone insec was right, but why Alex decided to jump over instead of helping to kill the baron was a strange call.
Also Alex please learn how to build Zed, Black cleaver is so much worse than last whisper on him... They couldn't finish baron. The jump was smart because they were worried about the insec smite steal (which I think he would've pulled off). The only questionable thing was why stay and FIGHT when they had the Baron aggro. Alex lch literally died to baron for no reason. Maybe everything he had was down or something and he mispositioned. Alex definitely died with everything on cooldown. But the fact that when KT death timers finished 20-30 seconds earlier and they didn't de-aggro baron immediately... threw everything away. Ah I'm guessing he went to jump over the wall and realized his W was down so Baron was like "I hear you like throws". It's possible his W came off CD but he didn't have the energy too - ill have to watch again.
And your missing the point. Zeds job is not to shred the entire teams armor, he can't survive trying to do that. That is renektons job coupled with an enraged dice ideally. Zed's job is to blow up a carry (2 if ideal). To do that he needs a BT (Bortk is good but BT would be stronger on Zed) a LW and a brutaliser. Zed needed to blow up Varus in a full combo, nothing else was as important as that (considering that Varus was ahead of MF and generally has more damage lategame aside from their ultimates).
Heck the way MF built the BC would have made more sense on her than on Alex.
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Oh yeah could sbd tell me Insect's Zed build in G1 ? I can't check now, but iirc he completly skipped any machete upgrades to go BT/BC ?
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On March 18 2013 16:43 KissBlade wrote:
I don't know why people don't realize in Asia, they talent scout all the time. Meanwhile you got these glory day oldies on our teams like HsGG who hasn't been relevant for like ever. Let's not even mention TSM's stagnant lineup for like ever.
NA scouting is really its weakest point imo.
Dig pulled up Kiwikid from nowhere and look at what he has been doing. IWD's departure was the best thing to happen to them.
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The problem in the deciding fight at Baron was imo that Genja just did not do enough damage with his utility MF build.
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On March 18 2013 22:46 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 16:43 KissBlade wrote:
I don't know why people don't realize in Asia, they talent scout all the time. Meanwhile you got these glory day oldies on our teams like HsGG who hasn't been relevant for like ever. Let's not even mention TSM's stagnant lineup for like ever. NA scouting is really its weakest point imo. Dig pulled up Kiwikid from nowhere and look at what he has been doing. IWD's departure was the best thing to happen to them.
Just about to say that. I mentioned it the Super Week write-up, but dig picking up Kiwikid has been one of the few examples of an NA team drafting for future potential instead of immediate talent. Kiwi didn't even main Top lane before dig picked him up (He played Mid and ADC for UT Austin). People kind of rag on his small champion pull but a lot of that's due to the fact he's only been maining Top for the last couple months.
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On March 19 2013 00:20 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 22:46 cLutZ wrote:On March 18 2013 16:43 KissBlade wrote:
I don't know why people don't realize in Asia, they talent scout all the time. Meanwhile you got these glory day oldies on our teams like HsGG who hasn't been relevant for like ever. Let's not even mention TSM's stagnant lineup for like ever. NA scouting is really its weakest point imo. Dig pulled up Kiwikid from nowhere and look at what he has been doing. IWD's departure was the best thing to happen to them. Just about to say that. I mentioned it the Super Week write-up, but dig picking up Kiwikid has been one of the few examples of an NA team drafting for future potential instead of immediate talent. Kiwi didn't even main Top lane before dig picked him up (He played Mid and ADC for UT Austin). People kind of rag on his small champion pull but a lot of that's due to the fact he's only been maining Top for the last couple months.
Who cares about a small champion pool when there are so few strong toplane picks now with the 2v1 meta?
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