[NA LCS] Week 5 @ MLG Dallas - Page 69

On March 18 2013 11:47 onlywonderboy wrote:

Despite losing to Frost at the IEM World Championship, Gambit beat both Frost/Blaze at Katowice just a couple months ago.

On March 18 2013 12:02 Navi wrote:
the lee sin q was not on baron, it was on alex. in that sense alex going over was the incorrect move. there is always some risk involved with a lee sin up to steal it, but if gambit had more confidence in their smiting and ability to coordinate blocks for lee sin's q and stopping their damage on baron, they could have finished it and gotten out in time. perhaps insec's earlier dragon steal shook them. who kn0ws
and yeah diamond was higher level.

On March 18 2013 12:03 Pirat6662001 wrote:

in e-sports that an eternity ago, teams rise and fall in a couple month period. i truly think that lack of good practice partners in EU and NA scene (best connection to those servers) will hinder gambit greatly and they will start losing to koreans that are less talented but had much better practice. Fnatic is the only other team that in theory is comparable to a mid tier korean team.

On March 18 2013 12:03 Pirat6662001 wrote:

in e-sports that an eternity ago, teams rise and fall in a couple month period. i truly think that lack of good practice partners in EU and NA scene (best connection to those servers) will hinder gambit greatly and they will start losing to koreans that are less talented but had much better practice. Fnatic is the only other team that in theory is comparable to a mid tier korean team.

On March 18 2013 12:03 Pirat6662001 wrote:

in e-sports that an eternity ago, teams rise and fall in a couple month period. i truly think that lack of good practice partners in EU and NA scene (best connection to those servers) will hinder gambit greatly and they will start losing to koreans that are less talented but had much better practice. Fnatic is the only other team that in theory is comparable to a mid tier korean team.

On March 18 2013 12:06 nokz88 wrote:

"less talented"... rofl stopped reading right there.

On March 18 2013 12:05 KissBlade wrote:



I'm sorry but that is bs as hell. KT B is talented as f.uck and if you don't recognize that you are blind. InSec is some dude who literally played with friends from LanCafe to join this team like two month ago (or less). Similarly GG losing to Blaze with Flame who played the game a grand total of five month. The fact that you are underselling Koreans in such a degree is ridiculous and ethnocentric. In addition, you are taking best out of threes way too seriously. (Especially because the last game was a really poor showing from GG who had the game in an advantage mid game.)

On March 18 2013 12:03 KissBlade wrote:



??? I thought Diamond was dead???

On March 18 2013 12:16 Pirat6662001 wrote:

..., i am NOT talking about KT or Cj Entus teams. there is "WILL START", i am talking about the future. do you truly think all the Korean sc2 pros are more talented than all the foreigners? thats freaking racist, they just have better practice, same thing will happen in lol unless teams start to recognize the value of being near each other

On March 18 2013 12:15 wei2coolman wrote:

Forget about tpa? Lol, they had no practice partners. Their entire competition region for s2 was trash sea teams they stomped in garena.

On March 18 2013 12:28 Navi wrote:


was he? if so then renekton should have only gone for lee if he could guarantee the kill given the death timers, you will either catch lee instantly and all is well or you will need to overcommit and sacrifice too much baron speed / tanking ability and get screwed over as they did. renekton wasn't going to catch lee / make him unable to attempt a baron steal unless lee did not have a ward (for instance if lee q'd to red instead of warding and w'ing over, which still allowed him that q on alex. if he did not have a ward there would be no attempt at a follow up w over the baron pit for the steal) which he did. with renekton chasing lee, the time it would have taken for him to lock down on lee sin ironically overlapped with the time it got for gambit to get baron dangerously low, as well as nearing the time it would take for ktb to regroup and attack them at baron.

On March 18 2013 12:53 overt wrote:


iirc, TPA scrimmed with WE and lots of Korean/Chinese teams fairly often in S2. I'm sure they still do for S3.

People have been talking about Asian dominance for awhile in the LoL scene. Gambit pretty much proved that non-Asian teams can still compete in my mind. The only real problem I see with the idea that Koreans get better/more practice is the fact that Riot's LCS has caused both the EU and NA scenes to develop teams that are taking the game really seriously and practicing with people 24/7.

Look at how far the "bottom 4" NA teams have come in just five weeks or how much stronger Curse is in S3, how competitive EU LCS has become where any team can beat literally any team. Zero doubt in my mind that eventually EU/NA can catch up to KR/CN if Riot's LCS continues. With teams taking it seriously and practicing every day there's no reason to think that EU or NA teams won't become just as good as Korean or Chinese teams.

On March 18 2013 12:18 Pirat6662001 wrote:

Did you even read? i said nothing about KT B being less talented... i am talking about the future, the long run. GG lost to FROST not blaze. Blaze won the whole tourney with out facing gambit in bo3. How am i underseling koreans at all? every race is equally talented to think other wise is stupid, the difference is in the practice

On March 18 2013 13:49 Azarkon wrote:


There is practice and then there is practice. EG's team house in SC 2 was hailed as the 'great equalizer' as well, and look at them now.

The biggest story in competitive LoL is the entrance of Kespa and its sponsors into Korean LoL. Prior to that, I don't think Koreans had any advantage, be it in practice / infrastructure, and this showed in their results. Sure, Korean teams took a few international tournaments, but so did Fnatic.EU, M5, TPA, WE, and various other teams outside of Korea. There was parity.

After it, though... Well, just look at MLG SC 2.

On March 18 2013 13:58 KissBlade wrote:


I don't think outside of Froggen, EG ever had any exceptional players on their team. They were prosperous in a time that rewarded a heavy late game play style. In terms of mechanics and overall reflexes, etc, bot lane and top look repeatedly outclassed and Snoopeh just looks generally ineffective once wards got popular.

On March 18 2013 13:54 KissBlade wrote:


Personally I think you're overcompensating or taking it hard that there just may be players that are talented in various regions. You vastly undersell that talent does make a difference in this game. Gambit Gaming is naturally talented at this game. Similarly, I think at the moment, Asia does have the most newly discovered talent on the scene at the moment. They have players that go from 4-5 month of learning the game to competing with (if not topping) many of the current EU/NA players who've been playing for like five times that amount. As people mentioned earlier, if anything EU's scene had one of the best practice regimes and was the place to effectively be at that time. They obviously have noticeable players just as NA does. (Ex for NA, Doublelift, ex for EU, Alex lch). However, decrying that some of the best Koreans teams are only that way because of their practice regimes and that other regions don't get a fair shake is frankly sour grapes.